Salvation Not Possible Without Works
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You make assumptions that cannot be verified. I suggest that those who are doing are not the ones complaining and judging others but are simply busy doing what the Holy Spirit leads them to do.
Still no list of required works has been produced from scripture. Only the bitter conjecture of those who are not even confident of their own salvation. Go figure.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Still no list of required works has been produced from scripture. Only the bitter conjecture of those who are not even confident of their own salvation. Go figure.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
E
Your the one who is dumb, That is not what he is saying, He is saying in order to be one they have to actively be working, Speaks nothing of how they became anything.
Thats what God says. not me. The law condemns me, It will condemn me unti, the day I die, because I have fallen short. That the point you do not get, You think your holy works will save you News flash. You are still condemned by the law. Unless you come out from under the law and come to grace. Thats the point you legalists will never understand.
To be a christian is nothing like being an NFL player or farmer. They had to be qualified by their work.
To be a christian would be like a person who never farmed, and never played football a day in his life, being drafted by God to play for his team. He puts them in training camp AFTER he drafts them, He teaches them, he allows them to grow. and when they are ready, He puts them on the field. and they win victory for God.
If you would humble yourself. you would see this. But you can;t humble yourself. Your to puffed up in pride to admit your flaw and you condemnation apart from Christ alone.
this is ridiculous, and a foolish statement, and proves you have no idea what anyone is saying.
J
Sincere faith changes your heart. Many are deceived by their own righteousness. When we see our sin for what it is and accept His sacrifice, it WILL produce a servants heart. I owe my life to Him for what He did freely on the cross, it becomes very offensive when anyone thinks that their good deeds can offer something to supplement the finished work of Christ.
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain
You deceive yourself, you think you are not under law of any kind, you are not under the Patriarch law, you are not under the Mosaic law (though you twist Paul's words trying to get out of works period using it) but you ARE under the law of Christ and think all you have to do is sit on the couch and let Him save you while you disobey Him, I hope you change your way of thinking before it is to late.
J
if a physician heals your child from death and he had the ability to heal every sick child in the world, would you sit on your couch ungrateful and unmoving or would your gratefulness and love for that physician cause you to tell every parent with a sick child about the physician?
same scenario only the physician puts stipulations on his healing and requires you to tell everyone and work for him or he will reverse the healing of your child and he will die......can you imagine the enormous burden and pressure you would feel? That your child's future was dependent on your performance?
I am sorry, but in my view, this makes the physician sinister and very unloving. My God is neither.
same scenario only the physician puts stipulations on his healing and requires you to tell everyone and work for him or he will reverse the healing of your child and he will die......can you imagine the enormous burden and pressure you would feel? That your child's future was dependent on your performance?
I am sorry, but in my view, this makes the physician sinister and very unloving. My God is neither.
E
just proves your heart. And your true self.
I just posted I KNOW the law condemns me and will until I die. yet you say I do not believe I am under any law.
You eill never know God or Christ until you repent. The same law which condemns me condemns you. And you are blind to it. You think because you obey a few commands God is required to save you. News flash. You have to obey them all. As paul said, if your going to obey one law (to be saved) you indebted to obey the whole law.
good luck with that. Your already failed, rightly condemned because of your failure. So keep puffing yourself up like the Pharisees. you will join them in their fate.
As for me and my house, We will serve the Lord (inspite of your lies saying we do not)
the guy actually put himself under the law...and the reason is I suppose he does not want to walk after the spirit...
he is condemned because he is not in Christ....his own admission...
Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull
Thats what God says. not me. The law condemns me, It will condemn me unti, the day I die, because I have fallen short.
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
he is condemned because he is not in Christ....his own admission...
Thats what God says. not me. The law condemns me, It will condemn me unti, the day I die, because I have fallen short.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
E
Nice try.
The law condemns me, Because I have broken it, and by it and condemned.
It is the blood of Christ which frees me from the condemnation. Because the law could not save me
Col 2: 11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins[c] of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
This is why I am saved. God made me alive in CHrist, he wiped out the HANDWRITTING of requirements which was against me (the law) and took it out of the way, having NAILED it to the cross. Through it, he circumcised me with the circumcision done by the hands of God (baptism) and washed me white as snow.
Maybe one day you people will find this washing, and figure out your work is nothing.
One day you might realise this.
There is no condemnation for me, Because I am IN CHRIST (even though the law still condemns me)
You have not yet found out the law condemns you. and the only way out of condemnation is death of the lamb. Your still trying to earn your freedom.
The law condemns me, Because I have broken it, and by it and condemned.
It is the blood of Christ which frees me from the condemnation. Because the law could not save me
Col 2: 11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins[c] of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
This is why I am saved. God made me alive in CHrist, he wiped out the HANDWRITTING of requirements which was against me (the law) and took it out of the way, having NAILED it to the cross. Through it, he circumcised me with the circumcision done by the hands of God (baptism) and washed me white as snow.
Maybe one day you people will find this washing, and figure out your work is nothing.
One day you might realise this.
There is no condemnation for me, Because I am IN CHRIST (even though the law still condemns me)
You have not yet found out the law condemns you. and the only way out of condemnation is death of the lamb. Your still trying to earn your freedom.
E
You do not study do you?
Romans 8:10
And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
And no. Not my righteousness, which are filthy rags, But Christ's righteousnes. WHich is perfect.
The law can condemn me, Unless I am IN CHRIST.
Being in the spirit will nto save me, I will still have to be perfect according to the law. Which is not possible. (not to mention I already failed)
Being in the spirit will help me live like Christ. It will not save me.
I live in the spirit, BECAUSE I am no longer condemned. Not to prevent myself from being condemned (like your doing) because they will not work. I would still sin, still break the law, thus still be condemned.
WHy stops me from being condemns is what the verse I posted above says, BECAUSE CHRIST, AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS IS IN ME.
And paul says, Not my righteousnes, which is from the law. but the righteousness of Christ,
Your the one babbling
You state saved or not saved, yet you do not believe one can be saved, Your defenition of salvation is no salvation at all. Salvation means saved forever from that which condemns you. If it can condemn you again, your not saved, you have just been given a temporary retrieve of your judgment, to see if you will live up to the standard. which yuo can not do. so you could never be saved.
Are you in Christ walking after the spirit? anyone who is ...the scripture guarantees there is no condemnation......I am trying to rescue you ...the law cannot condemn me....I am free from that law.....
[h=1][/h] 8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh
[SUP]4 [/SUP]that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[h=1][/h] 8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh
[SUP]4 [/SUP]that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
E
You can't rescue me, You need rescued yourself. and you do not even see it.
God saved me
God rescued me
God gave me eternal life
God sealed me with his spirit
God wrote his law in my heart
God adopted me as his child
God gave me the power to be his son
God gave me the power to walk in the spirit.
Your still trying to rescue yourself. thus your still under law. It condemns you, and you refuse to see it. You think because you obey a few commands, that God will forgive your sin you still commit?
Your either under law or under grace, there is no inbetween. YOU my friend are still under law because you reject grace.
God saved me
God rescued me
God gave me eternal life
God sealed me with his spirit
God wrote his law in my heart
God adopted me as his child
God gave me the power to be his son
God gave me the power to walk in the spirit.
Your still trying to rescue yourself. thus your still under law. It condemns you, and you refuse to see it. You think because you obey a few commands, that God will forgive your sin you still commit?
Your either under law or under grace, there is no inbetween. YOU my friend are still under law because you reject grace.