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[eternally-gratefull]

He gave them the land forever but only if they obeyed Him...

sorry bro but this gets old. SOmeone did this to another thread to me, I pray you do not open another thread to mock me like she did.


Gen 15: To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates— 19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”
Gen 17: 8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

Can you please show me the conditions God gave when he made and confirmed this presence to abraham? This is when God made, signed and sealed this covenant, For a covenant to be binding, all conditions must be stated. so where are the conditions?

but this could not be, for we both know the world will end some day, and the laws of entropy will not apply, but the world as we know it can't go on forever, the sun will eventually burn out.

Well I think we both know God will destroy this world, and build a new one.

When the land of canaan (or whatever you want to call it) is gone, There is no land for the covenant to be fulled anymore.

what matters is, Did God fulfill his promise as long as it was in existance?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Paul does't say falling away of the Church...Don't add words...

the word falling away means apostacy.

so if he did not mean church, what else did he mean?

 

[Bookends]

Ok then.

When God says forever, he means it.

He gave me the gift of ETERNAL LIFE. which means I am secure forever in his gift.

He gave them a plot of land as an ETERNAL gift. which means that land is theirs forever.

You can;t have it both ways, if he can take one away, he can take the other.

The translators translated "eon" as forever, when actually it means "age", or "age-long". That's many universalist think Hell isn't real or eternal.

 

[Bookends]

the word falling away means apostacy.

so if he did not mean church, what else did he mean?

ἀποστασία
apostasia
Thayer Definition:
1) a falling away, defection, apostasy

Like I said before, Paul could have been talking about Jerusalems revolt, DEFECTION, with Rome.

and I said I would not bases a doctrine on this, because it's not totally clear what Paul is speaking of...but I think the 1st century Christians might have known.

 

[Flamingspirit]

what does this matter?

It does not say he will rule with money, it says he will rule with authority and power. and all will worship him.

Who worships the president of the untied states, the world hates him and us, If it were not for our money, they would not give us the time of day.

Firstly do not judge by appearances. The president is a puppet groomed for the day of the collapse. But you are right about one thing. If it wasn't for that money! That's the whole point. Who cares who makes what laws if I control the money! Why is this so hard to understand?

Do you think a politician is spending all that money just to make laws for free? Fat chance of that! He's looking to get paid, and if I control what he ultimately is looking to get, them I'M HIS BOSS not you all who "elected" him!

Look how true this is for from our last two presidents. Both ran campaigns of ending the war, only to extend them. Why? Because war is BIG money! And if I control the guns, oil and drugs, then I am that power and authority.

 

[Bookends]

Firstly do not judge by appearances. The president is a puppet groomed for the day of the collapse. But you are right about one thing. If it wasn't for that money! That's the whole point. Who cares who makes what laws if I control the money! Why is this so hard to understand?

Do you think a politician is spending all that money just to make laws for free? Fat chance of that! He's looking to get paid, and if I control what he ultimately is looking to get, them I'M HIS BOSS not you all who "elected" him!

Look how true this is for from our last two presidents. Both ran campaigns of ending the war, only to extend them. Why? Because war is BIG money! And if I control the guns, oil and drugs, then I am that power and authority.

LOL, lets interpret the bible according to current events.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The translators translated "eon" as forever, when actually it means "age", or "age-long". That's many universalist think Hell isn't real or eternal.

not sure where you get eon, is not used in genesis. the word in genesis means forever.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

LOL, lets interpret the bible according to current events.

ok. then a prophesy which has not come true up until today would be future would it not?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Firstly do not judge by appearances. The president is a puppet groomed for the day of the collapse. But you are right about one thing. If it wasn't for that money! That's the whole point. Who cares who makes what laws if I control the money! Why is this so hard to understand?

Do you think a politician is spending all that money just to make laws for free? Fat chance of that! He's looking to get paid, and if I control what he ultimately is looking to get, them I'M HIS BOSS not you all who "elected" him!

Look how true this is for from our last two presidents. Both ran campaigns of ending the war, only to extend them. Why? Because war is BIG money! And if I control the guns, oil and drugs, then I am that power and authority.

sorry, I get into facts, not conspiracy theories, Been there and done that before..Go back and read the threads of a year ago.. you find people who will talk to you concerning your theories. I am not interested.

 

[Straightshot]

"Perhaps ignoring you isn't the only loving thing I can do. Maybe I should report you to the moderators for a reprimand or a possible banning so you can't further pile up the sins your accruing against me."


Have a ball dude ..... better hope you win

Because of you fail I will turn it over on you

Do doubt

 

[Flamingspirit]

LOL, lets interpret the bible according to current events.

Don't understand what you are trying to say.

 

[Bookends]

not sure where you get eon, is not used in genesis. the word in genesis means forever.

That's the Greek....the word in Hebrew is :

Owlam

1. 
   [*=left]long duration, antiquity, futurity, for ever, ever, everlasting, evermore, perpetual, old, ancient, world
   
   1. 
      [*=left]ancient time, long time (of past)
      
      [*=left](of future)
      
      1. 
         [*=left]for ever, always
         
         [*=left]continuous existence, perpetual
         
         [*=left]everlasting, indefinite or unending future, eternity

 

[Bookends]

"Perhaps ignoring you isn't the only loving thing I can do. Maybe I should report you to the moderators for a reprimand or a possible banning so you can't further pile up the sins your accruing against me."


Have a ball dude ..... better hope you win

Because of you fail I will turn it over on you

Do doubt

It's not about me, bro...The sooner you realize that then maybe we could be friends.

 

[Flamingspirit]

sorry, I get into facts, not conspiracy theories, Been there and done that before..Go back and read the threads of a year ago.. you find people who will talk to you concerning your theories. I am not interested.

Ok then, what are the facts? I'm eager to hear!

 

[Bookends]

ok. then a prophesy which has not come true up until today would be future would it not?

yeah, the only one I'm sure of is Jesus is Coming again, the 2nd coming, in which I think ushers in the eternal state.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's the Greek....the word in Hebrew is :

Owlam

1. 
   [*=left]long duration, antiquity, futurity, for ever, ever, everlasting, evermore, perpetual, old, ancient, world
   1. 
      [*=left]ancient time, long time (of past)
      [*=left](of future)
      1. 
         [*=left]for ever, always
         [*=left]continuous existence, perpetual
         [*=left]everlasting, indefinite or unending future, eternity

again, Just because it can does not mean it will.

the fact Jesus says in lev 26 he will remember his covenant, even after Israel is completely defeated and remoeved from their land (which by the way, never happened until ad 70, neither the syrian or babylonian captivities involved a complete removal from the land) shows it to be an eternal. not an age,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It's not about me, bro...The sooner you realize that then maybe we could be friends.

Like a few people who are no longer here ( I think you know who they are) some people will not get this.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

yeah, the only one I'm sure of is Jesus is Coming again, the 2nd coming, in which I think ushers in the eternal state.

oh but there is so much more

He will rule Isreal, and his rule will extend to all corners of the earth
He will be served by all people
The people who were defeated (nations of the earth) will come to worship him in jerusalem. and those who do not. God will chasten them by withholding nations from their land.

I have just named a few. there are so many more

 

[eternally-gratefull]

anyway, enough of this for a day,lol I love ya bookends, you know this bro..

to everyone else, if anyone has questions (which a few have asked in these past few weeks0 ask and we will both answer you.

 

[Bookends]

oh but there is so much more

He will rule Isreal, and his rule will extend to all corners of the earth
He will be served by all people
The people who were defeated (nations of the earth) will come to worship him in jerusalem. and those who do not. God will chasten them by withholding nations from their land.

I have just named a few. there are so many more

True Israel is the Church, He is ruling now...He's the head...
All doesn't always mean all, need to check for qualifiers...probably means all believers will serve Him...but even the wicked are said to serve Him, although not willingly, but God uses them to bring about His plan.

I don't think the whole world will fit in Jerusalem lol. Again your really didn't give my scripture reference so I can check context.

Peter calls us, Christians, new holy nation, (2 Peter) we are all priests. Peter uses the same words that was used for natural Israel and applies to the Church.