Christ was tempted LIKE as we are, but He never desired or was tempted to do evil.

[Jason0047]

I taught English Jason... I won't come back and belittle you though, I will just say your misguided, and like to twist words.

Well, not to belittle your education as a teacher, but are you honestly unaware of novels, movies, and or other works of fiction or non fiction that has used the examples I did? Do you think all teachers today are flawless and or experts in their field? My encouragment is to find literature that has used the examples I used and talk it over with somebody from Harvard or something, my friend.

In any event, the point is moot because the word tempt is actually tested in the verses we mentioned.

 

[Jason0047]

And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.

Do you think Abraham wanted to sacrifice his son... I don't think so, but was in complete obedience to God, he went fourth. He passed the TEST, and God provided Himself a sacrifice.


Our will and Gods will lines up, once being transformed by the renewing of the mind, Jesus had the soul of God but the flesh of Mary, Spirit was purely Gods.



Romans 12:2 - And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.


HE WAS STILL TESTED AS ABRAHAM HERE.... TEST, ARENT ALWAYS SOMETHING WE DESIRE OR WANT.

Very good. Tempt is actually test. Tests are many times external and they do not always involve a bad temptation in order to test one's purity or holiness like with the devil testing Christ to see if He was the Son of God or not. Tests can be so as to determine one's mental ability or recall of certain facts (Like with a Math Test or a Science Test), or tests can be physical or skill related (Like running or cooking).

 

[Jason0047]

Well, not to belittle your education as a teacher, but are you honestly unaware of novels, movies, and or other works of fiction or non fiction that has used the examples I did? Do you think all teachers today are flawless and or experts in their field? My encouragment is to find literature that has used the examples I used and talk it over with somebody from Harvard or something, my friend.

In any event, the point is moot because the word tempt is actually tested in the verses we mentioned.

As for saying I am misguided and or like to twist words: Well, that statement doesn't really mean anything unless you can substantiate such a claim. You have misunderstood me before and another here. Perhaps there is more information that you simply do not understand or have, my friend.

 

[Jason0047]

Very good. Tempt is actually test. Tests are many times external and they do not always involve a bad temptation in order to test one's purity or holiness like with the devil testing Christ to see if He was the Son of God or not. Tests can be so as to determine one's mental ability or recall of certain facts (Like with a Math Test or a Science Test), or tests can be physical or skill related (Like running or cooking).

We also have to ask the question: If Satan was testing Christ to see if He was the Son of God then why didn't he continue to test Him? In other words, if Christ had the capacity to sin, then why wasn't the devil tempting Him like all the time?

 

[Brainfreeze]

As for saying I am misguided and or like to twist words: Well, that statement doesn't really mean anything unless you can substantiate such a claim. You have misunderstood me before and another here. Perhaps there is more information that you simply do not understand or have, my friend.

Example, I say your wrong... You say don't condemn me... No one said anything about condemnation..you add this type of stuff, when no one says it. This is truth I tell you from a pm we've had discussion in, I'm not going to post it, unless completely necessary .. Which I don't see fit, if one wants to know all they have to do is to go over this thread carefully.

 

[Jason0047]

Example, I say your wrong... You say don't condemn me... No one said anything about condemnation..you add this type of stuff, when no one says it. This is truth I tell you from a pm we've had discussion in, I'm not going to post it, unless completely necessary .. Which I don't see fit, if one wants to know all they have to do is to go over this thread carefully.

Uh, I never said condemnatjon. I just quoted what you said to me in Post #559, or did you forget that you said that you told me that I twist words and I am misguided?

 

[Brainfreeze]

Uh, I just quoted what you said to me in Post #559. Or did you forget that you said that you told me that I twist words and I am misguided?

You do, I just gave a different example of how you add to what people say, as for twisting words, you did with your example, trying to say " it's grammatically correct " to say something other then what you meant. You are misguided... I'm still waiting on verses of external and internal...

 

[Jason0047]

You do, I just gave a different example of how you add to what people say, as for twisting words, you did with your example, trying to say " it's grammatically correct " to say something other then what you meant. You are misguided... I'm still waiting on verses of external and internal...

So you lied to make a point that is not true or that you cannot substantiate as true?

Oh, and please let the whole internal and external temptation thing go. It is a moot point because tempted means tested in the verses we discussed.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

We also have to ask the question: If Satan was testing Christ to see if He was the Son of God then why didn't he continue to test Him? In other words, if Christ had the capacity to sin, then why wasn't the devil tempting Him like all the time?

How do you know that he didn't? Being 40 days tempted of the devil . . . You honestly think that only the four temptations listed was all that Satan tempted him with in 40 DAYS? (Luke 4:3-8) These examples were given to show us HOW to defeat the devil and his temptations = with the word of God.

Wherefore in ALL THINGS it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in thing pertaining to God to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succor them that are tempted. Hebrews 2:17,18 If he "really didn't" get tempted HOW is he "really able" to succor us when we are tempted?

Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God let us hold fast our profession [confession]. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in ALL points tempted LIKE AS WE ARE yet without sin. Hebrews 4:14,15 Again, if he "really didn't" get tempted like we do HOW is he "really able" to succor us when we are tempted?

 

[Jason0047]

In other words, where do you think I lied? If I did make an accusation that is not founded on the truth, you actually have to show me where. If I did make a false accusation, and I misread somebody's beliefs or intentions, then I am more than happy to apologize and admit that I was wrong.

 

[Brainfreeze]

QUOTE=Brainfreeze]What I don't understand is if some one was searching for God, and you told them this number stuff, and not Gods love, me personally .. I would've forgot every number and word, and just had to keep searching, it wouldn't have helped me, what would've helped me is you telling me God still loved me, and He forgives me, and wants me to live for Him. Then gave me a big hug, your number and point me in a direction to get my life started over.


If you didn't come to Christ this way.. Why teach it to others is all. I remember you saying that tape got to you, it made you search out The Lord. Now " don't take this offensively Jason " it just sounds like your more concerned with these numbers, then the mission, when they themselves didn't bring you to know Christ. Why?


Why is it such a big part of your teaching? You don't think Gods word is capable alone? Has He ever needed back up in anything He has done, no friend, at the end of the day, we can agree to disagree, I would just ask you to pray on it. It's not as important as Gods genuine message brother, and that's in words and a language everyone understands

Jasons quote by pm:
And you don't think I don't talk about God's love? Where did I ever say that? See, you are judging me without having all the facts; This is where you are wrong. I have talked plenty of about God's love. For God's love is the focus and key to everything about Jesus Christ and what He has done for us.



Please anyone, tell me where I judged Jason here... Didn't want to do this... But now he calls me a liar eh? Now who lied ? Have I judged Jason here and condemned him to hell for this ? Or just made statements and asked questions ? This is just one of a few where he said I'm condemning him or judging.. This so happens to be THE FIRST ONE I opened.

 

[Jason0047]

How do you know that he didn't? Being 40 days tempted of the devil . . . You honestly think that only the four temptations listed was all that Satan tempted him with in 40 DAYS? (Luke 4:3-8) These examples were given to show us HOW to defeat the devil and his temptations = with the word of God.

Wherefore in ALL THINGS it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in thing pertaining to God to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succor them that are tempted. Hebrews 2:17,18 If he "really didn't" get tempted HOW is he "really able" to succor us when we are tempted?

Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God let us hold fast our profession [confession]. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in ALL points tempted LIKE AS WE ARE yet without sin. Hebrews 4:14,15 Again, if he "really didn't" get tempted like we do HOW is he "really able" to succor us when we are tempted?

First, the word "tempt" has been used as "tested." For even Modern Translations render "tempt" as "tested."

Second, the devil makes the claim, "if you are God's Son then.... (do such and such)." Meaning, the devil was trying to see if this was the actual Son of God or not. It was a test of his identity. For if there is one fact that keep's repeating in Scripture, it is that Jesus is God.

Third, Scripture testifies of Scripture. The Bible is an integrated message system. In other words, if the Bible talks about something in one place, it will speak about it in another. For using coss references properly is one of the ways Christians are good Bereans.

 

[Jason0047]

QUOTE=Brainfreeze]What I don't understand is if some one was searching for God, and you told them this number stuff, and not Gods love, me personally .. I would've forgot every number and word, and just had to keep searching, it wouldn't have helped me, what would've helped me is you telling me God still loved me, and He forgives me, and wants me to live for Him. Then gave me a big hug, your number and point me in a direction to get my life started over.


If you didn't come to Christ this way.. Why teach it to others is all. I remember you saying that tape got to you, it made you search out The Lord. Now " don't take this offensively Jason " it just sounds like your more concerned with these numbers, then the mission, when they themselves didn't bring you to know Christ. Why?


Why is it such a big part of your teaching? You don't think Gods word is capable alone? Has He ever needed back up in anything He has done, no friend, at the end of the day, we can agree to disagree, I would just ask you to pray on it. It's not as important as Gods genuine message brother, and that's in words and a language everyone understands

Jasons quote by pm:
And you don't think I don't talk about God's love? Where did I ever say that? See, you are judging me without having all the facts; This is where you are wrong.

First, you implied that I am all about Bible Numbers. Which you knew to be a lie to begin with because I did not always talk about numbers when commenting on the Bible. I strived to primarily talk about Jesus Christ. You later apologized because you seen some significance of recognizing the meaning behind some numbers in the Bible.

Second, you might be unaware of it. But it is usually inappropriate to repost something that was shared by PM without a person's consent. For it is a reason why it is called Private.

Third, why did you bring up the topic of how you love over my supposed Bible Number madness if not to imply that I do not do what you do (Which is to love)? In other words, that might not have been your intention, but it did not come off that way in the way you wrote it. In other words, if I was in your shoes, I would have clarified how I believed that you did love. But leaving that fact out will lead a person to the wrong conclusion.

Please anyone, tell me where I judged Jason here... Didn't want to do this... But now he calls me a liar eh?

You made me believe something that was false temporarily. That is lying, my friend.

 

[Ella85]

Jason, I suggest you do a poll with your threads from now on.
Just so you can see for yourself how people agree and or disagree with your questions.
It seems your threads are a never ending battle of you trying to prove your point.
At least if you can seen how many people vote there might not be so much controversy, and maybe you might be willing to look at things differently.

 

[Brainfreeze]

First, you implied that I am all about Bible Numbers. Which you knew to be a lie to begin with because I did not always talk about numbers when commenting on the Bible. I strived to primarily talk about Jesus Christ. You later apologized because you seen some significance of recognizing the meaning behind some numbers in the Bible.

Second, you might be unaware of it. But it is usually inappropriate to repost something that was shared by PM without a person's consent. For it is a reason why it is called Private.

Third, why did you bring up the topic of how you love over my supposed Bible Number madness if not to imply that I do not do what you do (Which is to love)? In other words, that might not have been your intention, but it did not come off that way in the way you wrote it. In other words, if I was in your shoes, I would have clarified how I believed that you did love. But leaving that fact out will lead a person to the wrong conclusion.



You made me believe something that was false temporarily. That is lying, my friend.

Whatever Jason, you were wrong then and are still wrong now... In the " numbers thread " you said if we change all the letters to numbers it has meaning... I'm in complete disagreement with this " philosophy " .. Only reason I apologize is not because I'm wrong, all the numbers for " prophecy " is already recorded through out the Bible. I made you believe something that was ?? temporarily ?? False... Your confused and misguided ... Again I'm done with your thread Jason, my explanations are pretty plain and simple.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

First, the word "tempt" has been used as "tested." For even Modern Translations render "tempt" as "tested."

Second, the devil makes the claim, "if you are God's Son then.... (do such and such)." Meaning, the devil was trying to see if this was the actual Son of God or not. It was a test of his identity. For if there is one fact that keep's repeating in Scripture, it is that Jesus is God.

Third, Scripture testifies of Scripture. The Bible is an integrated message system. In other words, if the Bible talks about something in one place, it will speak about it in another. For using coss references properly is one of the ways Christians are good Bereans.

Whether it means "test" or not; He was tempted/tested. Just as we are tempted/tested to test our character - to test whether we will succumb to sin or not.
peirazo - 1. to try whether a thing can be done; to attempt, endeavor 2. to try, make trial of, test: for the purpose of ascertaining his quality, or what he thinks, or how he will behave himself; a. in a good sense; b.in a bad sense, 3. to test one maliciously, craftily to put to the proof his feelings or judgments; 4. to try or test one's faith, virtue, character, by enticement to sin; a. to solicit to sin, to tempt; b. of the temptations of the devil

The only thing different is Jesus did not allow himself to be tempted/tested to the point of "lust" - that is the point where the temptee gives in to the temptation. There is the line drawn and the difference between man and Jesus Christ. Jesus always did the will of the Father. But if he was NEVER actually tempted how can we know that we are also able to endure temptation? - He is our example.

For even hereunto were you called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that we should follow his steps: Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 1 Peter 2:21,22

 

[TaylorTG]

Jesus may not have sinned, but reality is that he could have. But it all comes back to faith and obedience Jason. Christ is above all, stronger than you and I which makes him king. He is superior. He would never sin.
Technically he won't, but being a man he could have been tempted. Not saying he ever would have because He is Jesus. Jesus would not sin.

This post is self-contradictory. You say that Christ could have sinned, then you say that he would not sin. Which is it?


Sin is any act that is a rebellion against God. Christ is God, so it is logically impossible for him to commit sin.

 

[Jason0047]

Whatever Jason, you were wrong then and are still wrong now... In the " numbers thread " you said if we change all the letters to numbers it has meaning...

Where did I say that?

I may acknowledge there is a possibility that letters can have a numerical value like musical notes can have a numerical value, but I do not actually agree with changing letters to numbers to gain meaning, though. I never believed that. Recognizing Bible numbers properly is when we see a number in the Bible that repeats itself with an attached meaning to that number based on the text or context. In other words, Jesus was tested in the wilderness for 40 days and 40 nights be tested. Noah was tested in the Ark for 40 days with rain. Both of these were a type of trial. This is determined by the context of what the Bible actually says. It's not magic nor is wrong to make such a connection anymore than it is wrong to make a connection between words within two Bible verses. The purpose of numbers in the Bible is only to glorify Jesus Christ and or His Word. Numbers only becomes a problem when folks try to see numbers as being special in stuff outside of the Bible and or when they try to use numbers to predict the future, etc.

I'm in complete disagreement with this " philosophy " ..

Yes, I do not agree with this type of thing, either. Not sure why you think I am involved in it. Perhaps you misunderstood me again, my friend.

Only reason I apologize is not because I'm wrong, all the numbers for " prophecy " is already recorded through out the Bible. I made you believe something that was ?? temporarily ?? False... Your confused and misguided ...

Sorry, my friend. This statement is confusing. You told me that you seen significance in some Numbers and you wanted to apologize. That is what I remember you saying.

Again I'm done with your thread Jason, my explanations are pretty plain and simple.

May the Lord's love shine upon you.
I am wishing you all manner of peace, blessings, and good things unto you from the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Jason0047]

This post is self-contradictory. You say that Christ could have sinned, then you say that he would not sin. Which is it?

Sin is any act that is a rebellion against God. Christ is God, so it is logically impossible for him to commit sin.

Amen, my brother.

 

[Ella85]

This post is self-contradictory. You say that Christ could have sinned, then you say that he would not sin. Which is it?


Sin is any act that is a rebellion against God. Christ is God, so it is logically impossible for him to commit sin.

So why did God cast down His son in flesh?