The catholic communion as a false doctrine

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Because they are calling it the flesh and blood of John 6. when it is not. And they are calling it the literal flesh and blood of jesus.

I am eating a grand dinner, breaking bread, and drinking the cup. In remembrance of Christ.

they are doing it to have sin forgiven.

Taken from catholic.com.


The Sacrament of Holy Communion is the third of the Sacraments of Initiation. Even though we are required to receive Communion at least once per year (our Easter Duty), and the Church urges us to receive Communion frequently (even daily, if possible), it is called a sacrament of initiation because, like Baptism and Confirmation, it brings us into the fullness of our life in Christ.

In Holy Communion, we are eating the True Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, without which "you shall not have life in you" (John 6:53).

They ignore everything else Jesus said about what people will get when they eat that"bread of life" thus they are mocking God.
Do you drink of the cup and break the bread in remembrance of Jesus Christ that your sins may also be forgiven?
 
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???? I don't try to take something away from you.

It looks that you try to take away from the catholics the Eucharist by mocking it. The Eucharist, for your information, is in strong relation and connection to the cross. So, no, they do not deny the cross in anyway.
The more I read in the Catholic encyclopedia, the more evident that certain popes and scholars of their have made it clear their take on salvation is something on the order of eating of the Tree of Life to get salvation. Between dining on it from time to time their advocate Mary, mother of Jesus, makes intercession for them.

Pointing out a cult religion is not mocking it. We are supposed to warn reach other of those that cause divisions in the body of Christ. The RCC leadership has always done, still does exactly that.

Christians have but one purpose in keeping the type of the Lord's Communion, and that is only to offer up remembrance as a congregation of believers, of Jesus' giving up His body and blood for believers. Upon meeting the "Roman Road" requirements to be born again we get all of Christ He has to give.

Then there remains another gift, the indwelling Holy Spirit. It is not written that one is saved by eating that cracker and drinking that half ounce of grape juice. Ever raised a glass to toast an honored guest or fallen hero? Jesus is more worthy of better, but will not accept direct disobedience of a law against drinking blood.

Had Jesus meant that literally He would have instantly disqualified Himself as the Lamb of God, a sinner, an imperfect lamb with spot. He meant it figuratively in the sense of Ezekiel being commanded to eat a scroll of God's word.
 
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#83
Do you drink of the cup and break the bread in remembrance of Jesus Christ that your sins may also be forgiven?
Nope.

My sins were forgiven the moment I placed my eternity in the hands of God in faith and called on his name to save me. Because I ate the bread which endures to eternal life.

As jesus promised in John 6.

I am not going to mock God by telling him he is wrong, and make a pegan worship out of it.
 
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Nope.

My sins were forgiven the moment I placed my eternity in the hands of God in faith and called on his name to save me. Because I ate the bread which endures to eternal life.

As jesus promised in John 6.

I am not going to mock God by telling him he is wrong, and make a pegan worship out of it.
If you do not break the bread and drink the cup to remember Jesus that yours sins may be forgiven; why then do you do such?
 
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Do you drink of the cup and break the bread in remembrance of Jesus Christ that your sins may also be forgiven?
Ummm....actually we are supposed to make sure we are not unworthy of taking part in a sacred moment of adoration.

Taking of that bread and that drink is a matter of life and death if not done righteously.

1 Corinthians 11:23-34 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]
For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
[SUP]24 [/SUP] And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]
For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.
[SUP]34 [/SUP] And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.


It at the least belongs to the children of God already saved in Christ, walking in the light as Jesus did, constantly repenting of any sin, our goal to live like Him. If in doubt refuse to take part until you do know how you stand with the Lord.
 

Jackson123

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Hmm, I always thought the Communion stuff was based off the Last Supper in the Bible, particularly with verse 19 of Luke:

Luke 22:19-20

[SUP]19 [/SUP]And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

yes in remembrance of Jesus, we have to remember that He pay our pardon in the Cross. This we have to remember that we can't earn our salvation. We not work for our salvation. it is free.
 
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Ummm....actually we are supposed to make sure we are not unworthy of taking part in a sacred moment of adoration.

Taking of that bread and that drink is a matter of life and death if not done righteously.

1 Corinthians 11:23-34 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]
For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
[SUP]24 [/SUP] And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]
For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.
[SUP]34 [/SUP] And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.


It at the least belongs to the children of God already saved in Christ, walking in the light as Jesus did, constantly repenting of any sin, our goal to live like Him. If in doubt refuse to take part until you do know how you stand with the Lord.

Actually Paul spoke of physical death, not spiritual death.

Thats why he said, some of you sleep (are physically dead)
 
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I have read the New Testament over 20 times and have an Ivy League education and I said the possibility
Ivy league? And you don't know how to construct a sentence and use proper punctuation? I think if I was as educated as you, and didn't show it in my expressions of communication, that I would just keep that info to myself. How embarrassed your "ivy league" school must be.
 
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#89
If you do not break the bread and drink the cup to remember Jesus that yours sins may be forgiven; why then do you do such?

the same reason I was baptised, I go to church, I feed the poor. I love my neighbor, I Give an offering to the church, I (I think you get the point)

Because God said to do it, And I trust him, so I do what he says.


 
Dec 18, 2013
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Ummm....actually we are supposed to make sure we are not unworthy of taking part in a sacred moment of adoration.

Taking of that bread and that drink is a matter of life and death if not done righteously.

1 Corinthians 11:23-34 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]
For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
[SUP]24 [/SUP] And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]
For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.
[SUP]34 [/SUP] And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.


It at the least belongs to the children of God already saved in Christ, walking in the light as Jesus did, constantly repenting of any sin, our goal to live like Him. If in doubt refuse to take part until you do know how you stand with the Lord.
If the communion is made for to remember Jesus, and remembrance of Jesus and his sacrifice on the cross to forgiveness of sins, then that is good indeed.
 

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the same reason I was baptised, I go to church, I feed the poor. I love my neighbor, I Give an offering to the church, I (I think you get the point)

Because God said to do it, And I trust him, so I do what he says.
The problem is that you don't believe Jesus brought deliverance to the Jews. You don't believe He is their Messiah, too.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#92
If the communion is made for to remember Jesus, and remembrance of Jesus and his sacrifice on the cross to forgiveness of sins, then that is good indeed.
it was not made to remove sin, if it was, Jesus would have said so.

It was to remember him. Again, Just like Isreal was supposed to take the SAME MEAL and remember the passover. (they broke bread and drank wine in that meal also)

 
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I have read the New Testament over 20 times and have an Ivy League education and I said the possibility
And that means exactly what?...the devil, who is the sum of all wisdom can quote scripture....doesn't mean that he is right or that he knows what he is talking about.....!
 
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The problem is that you don't believe Jesus brought deliverance to the Jews. You don't believe He is their Messiah, too.

No, The problem is your anger is so heavy you never listen to anyone,

He brought SALVAION (ETERNAL) to the jews and gentiles.

But he promised ALSO to being deliverance to ISREAL WHEN they repent of their sins against him, and recieve the true messiah.

Two different promises.


You can continue to mock and judge me and say I am saying something I HAVE NEVER SAID, it will not make what you say true, People have been here before you and said the same thing, They are no longer here.
 
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it was not made to remove sin, if it was, Jesus would have said so.

It was to remember him. Again, Just like Isreal was supposed to take the SAME MEAL and remember the passover. (they broke bread and drank wine in that meal also)

It is written that Jesus' blood cleanses sins. Is it the communion that forgives sins or the one remembered by it that forgives sins?

I think the one remembered by it, Jesus, forgives the sins, and therefore people do the communion to remember the Christ and how he shed his blood to forgive sins.
 
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It is written that Jesus' blood cleanses sins. Is it the communion that forgives sins or the one remembered by it that forgives sins?

I think the one remembered by it, Jesus, forgives the sins, and therefore people do the communion to remember the Christ and how he shed his blood to forgive sins.
yes, but their sins where cleansed the moment they placed faith in the cross. Not every time they take the holy sacrament of communion.
 

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But he promised ALSO to being deliverance to ISREAL WHEN they repent of their sins against him, and recieve the true messiah.
It looks like those who wrote the gospel believed that Jesus was the true Messiah that was promised to Israel (in the first place) and also to us. I wonder why do the gospel of Matthew starts with the genealogy of Jesus if Jesus only came to perform an abstract atonement that has nothing to do with the cries and prayers of Israel? Was Jesus of Nazareth not the answer of God to Israel's prayers?

There are not two different promises. The history of Israel reached its climax with the coming of the Messiah, with the announcement: "repent! the kingdom of God is at hand!"

You can continue to mock and judge me and say I am saying something I HAVE NEVER SAID, it will not make what you say true, People have been here before you and said the same thing, They are no longer here.
I don't mock and judge you. You mock and judge others (the catholics, for instance) when in fact you need to take a really close look to what you actually believe and realize that you are denying Jesus Christ!

I hope you will think very seriously about it and understand what Jesus Christ did for everybody, including national Israel.
 
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It looks like those who wrote the gospel believed that Jesus was the true Messiah that was promised to Israel (in the first place) and also to us. I wonder why do the gospel of Matthew starts with the genealogy of Jesus if Jesus only came to perform an abstract atonement that has nothing to do with the cries and prayers of Israel? Was Jesus of Nazareth not the answer of God to Israel's prayers?

There are not two different promises. The history of Israel reached its climax with the coming of the Messiah, with the announcement: "repent! the kingdom of God is at hand!"



I don't mock and judge you. You mock and judge others (the catholics, for instance) when in fact you need to take a really close look to what you actually believe and realize that you are denying Jesus Christ!

I hope you will think very seriously about it and understand what Jesus Christ did for everybody, including national Israel.
enough of these childish games, this thread is not even about this topic. You have hijacked it out of your hate.

I am sick of talking to kids who do not listen, and keep saying I am not saying something or believe something I have said over and over I do believe.

If you can;t listen, maybe you need to go to your room in time out.
 
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yes, but their sins where cleansed the moment they placed faith in the cross. Not every time they take the holy sacrament of communion.
Is the communion to forgive sins or to remember the Forgiver?

As we agree that Jesus forgives sins, then it is good to remember Jesus.