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Jesus saved Isreal the day after he instituted the passover meal, and commended they do it in remembrance of their salvation from slavery. Yet they were already saved
Jesus saved us the day after he instituted the lords supper. and commanded we do it often in remembrance of our salvation from sin.
The saving act was done one, Not every week.. We who are already saved do it to remember hi. Not to get re-saved again.
Jesus saved us the day after he instituted the lords supper. and commanded we do it often in remembrance of our salvation from sin.
The saving act was done one, Not every week.. We who are already saved do it to remember hi. Not to get re-saved again.
I won't hijack anymore. It is not out of hate that I sound the alarm (you know which alarm, that one that reminds you the awful truth about your beliefs) but because your view of Christ hunts me.
I tell you for the last time: it is not possible to remain christian and believe the things you do concerning the Jews, the Messiah and Israel. It's that simple.
I prefer a catholic who believes in "transubstantiation" over someone who denies that Jesus of Nazareth is the fulfillment of God's promises towards Israel.
I tell you for the last time: it is not possible to remain christian and believe the things you do concerning the Jews, the Messiah and Israel. It's that simple.
I prefer a catholic who believes in "transubstantiation" over someone who denies that Jesus of Nazareth is the fulfillment of God's promises towards Israel.
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lol.. So you prefer an evil doctrine which will send everyone who places their faith in it to hell. Over a lie that you have against me (believing I do not think Jesus came and saved Israel and gentile alike, and offered eternal salvation to the world)
that shows who you are. And it is not a nice site. if you saw yourself in Gods eyes, you would be horrified at what you just said.
that shows who you are. And it is not a nice site. if you saw yourself in Gods eyes, you would be horrified at what you just said.
When I asked you if Jesus Christ' atonement has anything to do with the deliverance of the Jews you said this:
"Nope. because if it did, he would have done what he promised, and set up his throne in jerusalem. Ruled the world with a rod of iron, and given his people peace in their land."
Conclusion: you deny the Messiah by having the exact expectations of the Jews. If Jesus says "love your enemy", you respond "it can not be. you promised to destroy the romans. now you ask me to love them? you must be a false messiah".
And by the way, Jesus Christ is King and His kingdom is here. That's why he came on earth: to launch His kingdom and to make us partakers of His kingdom through His cross.
To get back on the topic of the thread: your comments and the idea on which this thread is based also shows your faces (your's and phil's). It looks like you are really good in condemning someone else's beliefs (and condemn the believers in hell) but fail to see what is the problem with your very beliefs.
It is a lot easier to place yourself in the intelectual comfort that "I got it all. The catholics are evil. Nothing surprises me anymore" type of thinking, than actually admit that maybe there are some reasons why these people (the catholics) believe this way and instead of putting the verdict "they are evil", let's try to understand why do they believe what they believe, where does this belief come from etc. etc.
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go to your room.
I have said 1000 times, Jesus came to save ALL people from eternal damnation. You deny I say it. Your a false accuser of the bretherin, and hold that there is more than one gospel (more than one way to heaven). thus you are in serious trouble when it comes to being a representative of Christ and his cross.
I have said 1000 times, Jesus came to save ALL people from eternal damnation. You deny I say it. Your a false accuser of the bretherin, and hold that there is more than one gospel (more than one way to heaven). thus you are in serious trouble when it comes to being a representative of Christ and his cross.
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It is prety clear that jesus was being literal in john 6.
Everyone who eats the bread of life, the flesh and blood of Jesus will never hunger, never thirst, Live forever, HAS eternal life, Will be risen on the last day, oh, and will never die
it is also prety well know they eucharistic ritual DENIES all these things.
thus it can not be from God.
Everyone who eats the bread of life, the flesh and blood of Jesus will never hunger, never thirst, Live forever, HAS eternal life, Will be risen on the last day, oh, and will never die
it is also prety well know they eucharistic ritual DENIES all these things.
thus it can not be from God.
Now let's put this in biblical words. The Jews expected the return of their King to Zion. When He would deliver them of all their enemies and will end up the exile in which they felt to be (because of the foreign occupation).
The promised one came and told them strange and unexpected words: love your enemy, sacrifice yourself for the sake of the other one. The King also showed them that this is the only way for life: forgiveness and love, not vengeance and hate. The king showed them that the sin also affected them, not only the Gentiles (like the Jews believed). The King told them that they are the true defilers of the Temple, not the Romans. Sin comes from the heart and no ritual of purification is stronger than a sincere and humble heart (see the prayer of the publican).
Some of the Jews didn't like the message so they killed their King. And the King gave Himself willingly to sacrifice in order to save them too. The King remained faithful to His own message: only love can defeat sin and evil. The King even prayed for them when they were crucifying Him. He loves us all. And this is all the message of the gospel: Israel's prayers and desires for the return of their King happened (in history!!!) and so God fulfilled His promises towards national Israel and towards all of the world.
The problem with you is that you deny that the King came to deliver Israel of their enemies. Otherwise, you would not have asked me "why are the Jews still in Gentile hands?", you would not have said that God has two different covenants: one with Israel and another one with us. You would not expect God to destroy the Palestinians, you would not say that God didn't fulfill His promises towards Israel, and the last but not least: you would not separate the mission of the Messiah into two: one that is theological (and has happened) and another one which is political (and hasn't yet happened).
Now, I'll go to my room.
The promised one came and told them strange and unexpected words: love your enemy, sacrifice yourself for the sake of the other one. The King also showed them that this is the only way for life: forgiveness and love, not vengeance and hate. The king showed them that the sin also affected them, not only the Gentiles (like the Jews believed). The King told them that they are the true defilers of the Temple, not the Romans. Sin comes from the heart and no ritual of purification is stronger than a sincere and humble heart (see the prayer of the publican).
Some of the Jews didn't like the message so they killed their King. And the King gave Himself willingly to sacrifice in order to save them too. The King remained faithful to His own message: only love can defeat sin and evil. The King even prayed for them when they were crucifying Him. He loves us all. And this is all the message of the gospel: Israel's prayers and desires for the return of their King happened (in history!!!) and so God fulfilled His promises towards national Israel and towards all of the world.
The problem with you is that you deny that the King came to deliver Israel of their enemies. Otherwise, you would not have asked me "why are the Jews still in Gentile hands?", you would not have said that God has two different covenants: one with Israel and another one with us. You would not expect God to destroy the Palestinians, you would not say that God didn't fulfill His promises towards Israel, and the last but not least: you would not separate the mission of the Messiah into two: one that is theological (and has happened) and another one which is political (and hasn't yet happened).
Now, I'll go to my room.
Well, it is not me the one who tries to make Jesus Christ saying "this represents my blood", I am fine with what He said. I am not ashamed of it at all. If catholics want to partake with Jesus Christ every Sunday is because they love Him and want to renew the Holy Spirit in them.
You said that if the Eucharist gave you life, you should only take it once. But you also said that the word of God gives you life. I suspect you don't take it only once. I mean, you open and re-read the word of God, right?
I see no problem if people thirst and hunger for Jesus Christ. Whether they take this thirst and hunger literally or symbolically.
Jesus Christ told His disciples to do that in remembrance of Him. Whenever the early christians met, they met for the Eucharist (and they also prepared themselves before receiving the Eucharist) as it can be seen in The Didache (The teachings of the twelve apostles). Of course, since you believe (true) Christianity was born with you and Americans, you will probably dismiss and suspect the book as having some hidden, political, conspiratorial purpose.
You said that if the Eucharist gave you life, you should only take it once. But you also said that the word of God gives you life. I suspect you don't take it only once. I mean, you open and re-read the word of God, right?
I see no problem if people thirst and hunger for Jesus Christ. Whether they take this thirst and hunger literally or symbolically.
Jesus Christ told His disciples to do that in remembrance of Him. Whenever the early christians met, they met for the Eucharist (and they also prepared themselves before receiving the Eucharist) as it can be seen in The Didache (The teachings of the twelve apostles). Of course, since you believe (true) Christianity was born with you and Americans, you will probably dismiss and suspect the book as having some hidden, political, conspiratorial purpose.
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First, I take all would agree Nero was commenting on cannibalism from the standpoint of something most people found disgusting, even him. But, in your case, he would in fact be right, that you believe in literally eating human flesh and drinking human blood. Secondly, not surprising you would most likely take even Nero out of context, as you do the Bible, rather that in ignorance of communion Nero would take it as sounding like cannibalism (but, again, which you agree with Nero on, despite context). Thirdly, interesting that you're now quoting Nero as a credible authority on Christian doctrine?
Exactly right but they do get it they just won't admit it. Seducing doctrines that enslave the adherents.
My 90 year old father in law goes to mass every time he can almost every day of the week. He s very dependent upon the belief that he is in good standing with God when he takes the communion elements.
He is terrified of dying because he knows he is not ready to face God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
My 90 year old father in law goes to mass every time he can almost every day of the week. He s very dependent upon the belief that he is in good standing with God when he takes the communion elements.
He is terrified of dying because he knows he is not ready to face God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Look, coma boy, I never said the eucharist gave you life. You claim it does, and I asked if it gave you eternal life, why do you have to do it more than once?
Read the first post and tell me what scripture you disagree with, because everything I brought in the op, I brought from scripture.
I take communion for remembrance of the sacrifice Christ made for me - just as He instructs. You are the one that claims to get eternal life from it. The word is my eternal life and I have it always. Christ was made word and dwelt among us, and His entire being was the word. That is the meat I ingest that He was.
Read the first post and tell me what scripture you disagree with, because everything I brought in the op, I brought from scripture.
I take communion for remembrance of the sacrifice Christ made for me - just as He instructs. You are the one that claims to get eternal life from it. The word is my eternal life and I have it always. Christ was made word and dwelt among us, and His entire being was the word. That is the meat I ingest that He was.
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Heb 13:8
So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
John 21:15
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.John 4:24
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luke 24:36-39
So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
John 21:15
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.John 4:24
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luke 24:36-39