the Gospel v moralism

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psychomom

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i told a friend i'd try this, so, if you will, help me?

what is the Gospel?
what is moralism?

what is the difference?
is there a difference?

where is the focus of each?

thanks!
 

JesusLives

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The way the Blond sees it....

The Gospel is all about Jesus and what He has done for us which is quite a lot and then try EVERYTHING. He is our Lord, Our Savior, Our Sacrifice, Our Judge, Our Creator, Our Word, Our Truth, The Way, The Life, He Died Our Death, Our Advocate, Our High Priest. Jesus Is Our All and He Gave All and Did All For Us. He lived the life that we could not live keeping God's Commandments perfectly for us.

Moralism to me seems to be what we think we can do for ourselves.... in that there is an attitude.... Well I'm good and I'm not that bad. I don't steal, murder, commit adultery, lie, I go to church and give offerings and look at what and how good I am.....

Well not really all our good moral selves are still like filthy rags. We need Jesus and the gospel which allows the Holy Spirit into our lives and then it is Jesus living in us to will and to do His good pleasure.
 

crossnote

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Moralism's raison d'etre is morals. But because of our fallen nature, chasing after morality will not make one moral.

In the Gospel, God chases after us, apprehends us, with the result of holiness.
 
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Kerry

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You cannot be moral unless your faith is in the cross and the Holy Spirit is working in you and through you. Any thing else is flesh and will ultimately be immoral.
 
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psychomom

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do you think there are moralists in the Church?
 

JesusLives

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I think there are moralists everywhere....So many people think because they are good that they are o.k., but in reality they are LOST. We need to help them find the way to the Gospel which is Jesus.
 
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sealabeag

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what is the Gospel?
what is moralism?

what is the difference?
is there a difference?


What is the Gospel? : The life and teachings of Jesus. Therefore following the Gospel means following as closely as possible His life and His teachings.

What is moralism? : Expressing a belief about what is good behaviour and what is bad behaviour. These natural beliefs have a foundation in our God-given conscience, in the natural moral law. However the problem, and as a Christian, the very dangerous problem, with living a life guided solely by our conscience and not by Christ, is that sin can cloud our conscience. And when the conscience is clouded, many influences can affect what we believe to be right or wrong; society, friends, culture, etc. So we can end up in a place of believing something is morally acceptable which is not morally acceptable to God. It really becomes subjective. "I believe this is okay". So every person can have different views on what is good and what is bad. There is no truth, only the truth that I hold. As Christians however we depend on THE Truth.

It's really a big subject and I have a lot more thoughts on it.
 
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oldthennew

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I believe the Pharisee in Paul was eventually destroyed, over-come,
he ran, he won, through loving grace, faith, obedience:
as well, for each of us who truly love and serve,
the Holy Spirit will continue, as long as we do,
to guide and lead us into the new creature
that we have to become in order to leave
our 'old-man' behind.
 
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JesusIsAll

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If by moralist you mean legalism, here's a blurb I'd saved on my computer that seemed to well sum up the situation:

Being "under the law" means that my works -- as directed and judged by the law -- determine my justification and standing before God. Being "under grace," however, means that I am justified before God completely apart from my works. In effect, to be "under the law" means that my works determine EVERYTHING. But to be "under grace" means that my works determine NOTHING. By faith I stand "under" the finished work of my Saviour.

"Now wait a minute. If the law doesn't speak to those under grace, then they can sin all they want. There will be no restraint; no holy standards to follow."

Once we grasp the truth of God's grace, we will know that it does not do away with obedience to God. Indeed, rather than do away with obedience, the grace of God is the only real means of obedience there is. Why? Because through God's grace I don't merely DO righteous deeds, I BECOME a righteous person -- through the Holy Spirit, the Living Christ in me. In Christ, obedience to God becomes natural and voluntary -- simply because I love Him.
 

p_rehbein

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moralism.............

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a : the habit or practice of moralizing
b : a conventional moral attitude or saying
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: an often exaggerated emphasis on morality (as in politics)


compare this to what Christianity is..........and I suppose there will be differences from person to person
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Moralism is a broad subject, It depends on where you are, it is determined by society. for example, In the late 1800's it would have been immoral for a man and woman to live together out of wedlock. Today, it is not considered an immoral act by society at large.

Then you have moralsim as far as God sees it, He gave us what his moral standard is, that is the law. He requires 100% obedience to it, to be considered righteous (perfect) in his eyes, which no one has been able to do but one, Christ.

Then you have religious moralism of many types.

You have the self righteous churches,, Women are not allowed to cut their hair, men must have short hair, women must wear dresses, no smoking drinking or cussing, We do not go to bars, we do not hang out with sinners, Some even go as far as to say we do not watch tv, or movies, and an R rated movie is a mortal sin!.. As long as we do this we are moral (even though in Gods eyes, we are still not perfect)

Then we have those that follow stringent aspects of the law. And think that just because they do not murder, commit sexual sin, They are not liars, or thiefs, And love God and do all the religious ceremony they can think of, (go to church, get baptized, take communion often, Sing praises to God, Give money to the church, go on visitation, etc etc) they they are moral people. the different religious standard vary depending on what church you go to (yet still they fall far short of Gods standard)

as far as what the gospel is. Paul said it clearly,


Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

Basically, it is Christ crucified, Death, burial and ressurection, for the payment of sin.
 
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BradC

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A moralist is a person who operates in human good without a heart and conscience established in grace through the blood of Christ. They are established in doing what is right in their own eyes or what seems right to them in relationship to themselves and to others. They live their life without being cleansed and therefore live with a conscience that is unclean. Even their best estate is unacceptable against the holiness of God. We have to discern this in the heart of people, that is why we are live by every word of God that discerns the thoughts and intents (motivations) of the heart and to be filled with the Spirit.
 
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Christ's gospel requires the Christian maintain a moral standard to be saved...."Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Cor 6:9,10..."Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law." Gal 5:19-23
 
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BananaPie

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what is the Gospel?
The Gospel is the Sovereign Good News of Salvation from God's very own holy mind brought to you by the Lord Jesus Christ. :)

psychomom said:
what is moralism?
Moralism is the distinctive "umbrella" holding the various ethical practices of sound-judgements according to God's standards.

For examples,
Moral behavior (holding to Bible standards of ethical conduct);
Moral judgment (holding to the biblical principles of right from wrong);
Moral obligation (holding one's conscience to agree with God's moral opinion);
Moral support (benign psychological effect exercised to give the love of Christ to others);
Moral victory (a defeat which is overcome by the Lord's inner-strength in the believer);
Moral certainty
(as in "beyond reasonable thought" the matter is ethically true, correct or false, wrong), etc.

psychomom said:
what is the difference? is there a difference?
The difference is agreeing with God's Good News of salvation redeems you from a reprobate mind regardless of how "good" your morals are.

For example, a Buddhist can be a "moral" person, but as the Lord Jesus said, "And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: for it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire" (Mark 9:47).

psychomom said:
where is the focus of each?
Well, the moral of the story is to know Christ and Him crucified, for without the Lord Jesus Christ, we are desperately perverse in all directions. :)
 
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For example, a Buddhist can be a "moral" person, but as the Lord Jesus said, "And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: for it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire" (Mark 9:47).

Cornelius was a good, just, righteous "moral" person Acts 10:2,22.....but lost. So good morals nor bad morals can save, it takes obedience to God's will (Heb 5:9) to be saved (Act 10:47.48)
 
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BananaPie

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do you think there are moralists in the Church?
Sure, I married one. :p

...okay, so he's really a Moose with a moral life in Christ. :)
 
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JesusIsAll

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do you think there are moralists in the Church?
Matthew 13:24-30 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
 
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psychomom

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in Luke 15, Jesus tells the story of two sons.
the younger (prodigal) son we tend to identify with, but what about the older brother?

do you see any moralistic behavior in him?

what did he think their father's love was based on?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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in Luke 15, Jesus tells the story of two sons.
the younger (prodigal) son we tend to identify with, but what about the older brother?

do you see any moralistic behavior in him?

what did he think their father's love was based on?
all the good deeds he has done, he was better than the prodigal, who turned his back and sinned against the father, so he deserved the best, more than the brother.

He failed to see The father loved them both the same unconditionally. and when his one son returned, it was a celebration.