Why do people not understand.. Dead means dead.

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, I do................Do you have a clue as to the new believer (one just saved) needing to be sanctified? Do you know what sanctification is? Do you understand that sin separates a person from God? Oh, no, wait, you guys are perfect......you guys can't sin......

Do you understand what the day of atonement was? Do you understand why the priest had to sprinkle the blood over the mercy seat? Do you understand how the covering of Blood allowed God to give mercy, because he could not see the sin of the sinner?

Do you understand Jesus died once for all sin all time.

Why do you want to make the high priest continualy sprinkle blood over your life to cover your sin?

 

[dcontroversal]

where do you get this never sin crap from?

Dude you listen to to many fairy tales of people telling you wives tails.

No one is sinless. No one can be sinless.. If I could. I would not need Christ.

They always do that...get frustrated at the foolishness of what they believe and the absurdity of their doctrine of loosing salvation and start accusing us of things we do not say and or ascribe to.....lying is what it is called...wonder if they loose their salvation for lying about what we say? HERE PAUL read carefully so you can quit MISREPRESENTING what we say and or stand for!
Yes I believe a person who has become a partaker in Christ and received the Holy Spirit is saved...eternally sealed and secure in Christ as it is the spirit that is born again, eternally secure in Christ, does not sin and cannot fall.....and for those who argue...it is BOUND IN A BODY of SIN that is not subject unto the law of God and neither can be. The SPIRIT is willing, but the flesh is weak....Sealed by the spirit, in the Father's hand and in the Son's hand and Ecclesiastes chapter 3 states clearly...

WHATSOEVER GOD does it is ETERNAL...nothing added, nothing taken away from it and GOD does it this so men will FEAR him!

Whatsoever=what ever it is that God does...including saving you!

You can backslide and forget you have been purged
You can be a vessel of dishonor with works of wood, hay and stubble
and yes, people who are saved sin occasionally...if we say that we have NO SIN (present tense) we are DECIEVED and the truth not in us.
WE are JUSTIFIED (rendered legally INNOCENT before God the Father) by the FAITH OF JESUS and that is why it cannot be lost as it is based upon the PERFECT FAITH and FAITHFULNESS OF JESUS<--Galatians 2:16-21

 

[p_rehbein]

where do you get this never sin crap from?

Dude you listen to to many fairy tales of people telling you wives tails.

No one is sinless. No one can be sinless.. If I could. I would not need Christ.

that makes no sense whatsoever.........not when compared to your prior comments........IF you are eternally perfected, how can you sin?

NO SIN ABIDES IN HIM! Do you believe this? If you do, and you admit that you sin, then HOW are you abiding in Him?

If you sin, SOME ACTION must be taken, what action would that be?

Just say, "Oh well, I'm saved, no need to worry, Christ's got it covered?" If so, this implies that you can live or do as you wish, no worries.........

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hey, my thoughts EXACTLY!

It's a favorite tactic for you guys to twist and turn others words around............and then accuse them of whatever.........but, such is the way it is.............sadly..........

Simple question(s)

1) Since your salvation, have you sinned?

2) What did you do about it?

Go to my father, KNOWING he will not kick me out of his family, and admit my sin to him. And take my chastening. Then move on and try not to do it again.

Of course, I can not know all my sin, I am still learning, and will until the day I die. so I have to continue to trust my abba Father, or I could be a legalist and live in fear God will kick me out of his family, instead of loving me as a chosen son.

 

[dcontroversal]

Do you understand what the day of atonement was? Do you understand why the priest had to sprinkle the blood over the mercy seat? Do you understand how the covering of Blood allowed God to give mercy, because he could not see the sin of the sinner?

Do you understand Jesus died once for all sin all time.

Why do you want to make the high priest continualy sprinkle blood over your life to cover your sin?

Because he doesn't understand salvation and justification based upon the perfect faith OF Christ!

 

[p_rehbein]

So, D........

you admit that you are not sinless? Good.........now, when you "occasionally" sin, what do you do about it?

 

[p_rehbein]

Because he doesn't understand salvation and justification based upon the perfect faith OF Christ!

You have no idea of my understanding.............other than it differs from yours...........oh, no, wait, I MUST be wrong, 'cuz youse guys is perfect............I keep forgetting that.......

 

[eternally-gratefull]

that makes no sense whatsoever.........not when compared to your prior comments........IF you are eternally perfected, how can you sin?

And you say i do not know what justified means.

Justification is eternally perfected. that is what eternal life is.

Although the BODY is dead because of sin, the SPIRIT is alive because of righteousness. What part do you bnot understand?

NO SIN ABIDES IN HIM! Do you believe this? If you do, and you admit that you sin, then HOW are you abiding in Him?

If you sin, SOME ACTION must be taken, what action would that be?

Just say, "Oh well, I'm saved, no need to worry, Christ's got it covered?" If so, this implies that you can live or do as you wish, no worries.........

Dude. And you say not to call you a layer. What you have just preached is law.

You think you can confess every sin? I pray you do not kick your 6 year old son of of your house because they stole a cookie.. What kind of father does that?

 

[blue_ladybug]

Hey, my thoughts EXACTLY!

It's a favorite tactic for you guys to twist and turn others words around............and then accuse them of whatever.........but, such is the way it is.............sadly..........

Simple question(s)

1) Since your salvation, have you sinned?

2) What did you do about it?

1.) Yes, many times..probably daily, in fact.


2.) Repented and asked forgiveness.


​That, gentlemen, is how it's done..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Because he doesn't understand salvation and justification based upon the perfect faith OF Christ!

actually this has been good. He has always denied being a lawyer, and I could never get him to admit he believed this stuff. He always tried to act like he believes in grace, just believes in following parts of the law.

I think his true self has just come screaming out.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1.) Yes, many times..probably daily, in fact.


2.) Repented and asked forgiveness.


​That, gentlemen, is how it's done..

I do not ask for forgiveness, Because i know I have an abba father who forgives me unconditionally. But I do go in remourse, and shame.. And I take my stripes however God wishes to strike me to give them to me.

 

[dcontroversal]

So, D........

you admit that you are not sinless? Good.........now, when you "occasionally" sin, what do you do about it?

Yes I believe a person who has become a partaker in Christ and received the Holy Spirit is saved...eternally sealed and secure in Christ as it is the spirit that is born again, eternally secure in Christ, does not sin and cannot fall.....and for those who argue...it is BOUND IN A BODY of SIN that is not subject unto the law of God and neither can be. The SPIRIT is willing, but the flesh is weak....Sealed by the spirit, in the Father's hand and in the Son's hand and Ecclesiastes chapter 3 states clearly...

WHATSOEVER GOD does it is ETERNAL...nothing added, nothing taken away from it and GOD does it this so men will FEAR him!

I do what I am supposed to do Paul....it is my SPIRIT that has been born again, does NOT SIN and is eternally secure before the Father based upon the perfect faith and justification of JESUS, BUT when I fail and SIN because of my BODY that is SOLD UNDER SIN, is not SUBJECT unto the LAW of God and cannot be I go to the FATHER dia CHRIST and seeks forgiveness...HAVING NEVER lost my ETERNAL, EVERLASTING SALVATION through the whole process!

 

[p_rehbein]

Go to my father, KNOWING he will not kick me out of his family, and admit my sin to him. And take my chastening. Then move on and try not to do it again.

Of course, I can not know all my sin, I am still learning, and will until the day I die. so I have to continue to trust my abba Father, or I could be a legalist and live in fear God will kick me out of his family, instead of loving me as a chosen son.

AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG AND YOU AND D........HAVE BEEN DENYING...........

The NEED to RECONCILE ones self with GOD!

Recognition that one has sinned, regretting that sin, confessing that sin to God, and asking for forgiveness of that sin from God..........and STRIVING to not sin again!

(and then, of course, you have to fall back on that other junk...sigh)

So, you admit that a Christian that sins MUST reconcile with God.......that is all that is needed.........

you guys have failed in your argument because of this one point.........reconciliation is ONLY necessary IF one has separated themselves from God...........else, reconciliation would not be needed.......

(well, that just about puts thissin' to bed...........)

 

[dcontroversal]

AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG AND YOU AND D........HAVE BEEN DENYING...........

The NEED to RECONCILE ones self with GOD!

Recognition that one has sinned, regretting that sin, confessing that sin to God, and asking for forgiveness of that sin from God..........and STRIVING to not sin again!

(and then, of course, you have to fall back on that other junk...sigh)

So, you admit that a Christian that sins MUST reconcile with God.......that is all that is needed.........

you guys have failed in your argument because of this one point.........reconciliation is ONLY necessary IF one has separated themselves from God...........else, reconciliation would not be needed.......

(well, that just about puts thissin' to bed...........)

Yeah so how many times have you lost your salvation? According to your theology if you sin you loose your salvation is that right? and if YES...how many times have you lost your salvation?

 

[newbirth]

get what? The HS has shared the gospel with you, and helped you to understand it, You have partaken of him, it does not mean you ever recieved him

Do you even know what is impossible? That is the context. what is impossible in that passage?

how did they partake ....did not say share the gospel....said partake of the Holy Ghost...you are shamelessly lying just to prove your point...how do you partake of something without receiving it? the scripture said made partakers of the Holy Ghost.....just like

2 Peter 1:4

Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.




and it is because they were partakers of all God's goodness and neglected it they paid the price...

 

[peacefulbeliever]

For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: . . . . Proverbs 24:16

It is of the LORD'S mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not. They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness. The LORD is my portion, saith my soul; therefore will I hope in him.
Lamentations 3:22-24

 

[eternally-gratefull]

AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG AND YOU AND D........HAVE BEEN DENYING...........

The NEED to RECONCILE ones self with GOD!

I can;t reconcile myself with God. that would be law. I need God to reconcile me.

Recognition that one has sinned, regretting that sin, confessing that sin to God, and asking for forgiveness of that sin from God..........and STRIVING to not sin again!

(and then, of course, you have to fall back on that other junk...sigh)

If i have to do this to resave myself everytime I sin, I was never saved, and I am under law. I am going to the mercy seat how many times a day? a week? A month? What are we mocking the death of Christ?

So, you admit that a Christian that sins MUST reconcile with God.......that is all that is needed.........

Why would I admit that? I would be a pharisee trying to earn my salvation and not trusting god to save me, How can I reconcile myself? the penalty of sin is death, I would have to die in order to reconcile myself. Once I am dead (as the op points out) I can not do anything.

you guys have failed in your argument because of this one point.........reconciliation is ONLY necessary IF one has separated themselves from God...........else, reconciliation would not be needed.......

Romans 5:10
For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

2 Corinthians 5:18
Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,

Ephesians 2:16
15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity.

I see alot that says God reconciled us, Good luck trying to reconcile yourself.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

how did they partake ....did not say share the gospel....said partake of the Holy Ghost...you are shamelessly lying just to prove your point...how do you partake of something without receiving it? the scripture said made partakers of the Holy Ghost.....just like

2 Peter 1:4

Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.




and it is because they were partakers of all God's goodness and neglected it they paid the price...

what is impossible. Why do you keep hiding? can you not answer/

 

[newbirth]

Yeah so how many times have you lost your salvation? According to your theology if you sin you loose your salvation is that right? and if YES...how many times have you lost your salvation?

salvation is in Christ our hope of eternal life...our life must be sanctified in Christ by the word of truth....if we say we are in Christ and walk in darkness we lie...we must continue in Christ always ...in him is no darkness....therefore if one is guilty of sin he cannot be abiding in Christ...so the question is not about losing salvation and regaining it but about abiding in Christ or not...

 

[newbirth]

what is impossible. Why do you keep hiding? can you not answer/

don't change the subject....
the discussion is about being made partakers of the holy Ghost....you are changing it to what is impossible...which I have no interest in discussing...tell me how one can be a partaker of the Holy ghost and yet not receive the holy Ghost....that is impossible