Why do people not understand.. Dead means dead.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 2, 2014

Everyone who has faith in the lord will follow him,, there is no if about it. They are the ones who obey the commands of God.

No, this is the false theology, It says Jesus did not pay for the sins of the whole world. Just the elect. Now we do not want to get calvanistic here do we?
yet that is what you are proposing.

Nope. Jesus paid for their disobedience. so they can not be judged for it again, Unless you believe in double jeapardy. Are you saying God will do to us when he commanded us not to do?

SoulWeaver · Dec 2, 2014

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

From this verse, everybody not going to hell, not condemned by God, is in the book of life.
Which includes innocent children alongside with the believers. So we all start in that book.
But I could be wrong, I wont claim I know on this one.
The point anyways is disagreement is that the people blotted out were the sheep to begin with, or they were not?
I believe they were not because have they been of the sheep, they would have continued. And this understanding agrees with the rest of the Scriptures while if they were sheep and lost salvation it denies other Scriptures.

dcontroversal · Dec 2, 2014

kennethcadwell said:

Couple things.....

The saved are written in the book from the foundation of the world
The lost are stricken when they fail to exercise belief
King Jimites who translated the word in the King Jim while believing Episcopal doctrine used the word castaway which means UNUSABLE...
Paul would have been unusable as an APOSTLE had ne not maintained his walk in the same manner a PASTOR can be disqualified form PASTORING and still be a saved child of GOD...

Wake up Kenneth before it is too late

kennethcadwell · Dec 2, 2014

1) Have you repented of sins ?

2) Have you forgiven all others of their sins, or do you still hold some to being punished for sin ?

3) Do you confess Jesus as your Lord in front of others, or do you deny Him ?

4) Do you help others in need, or do you deny them the help ?

5) Have you been baptized, or do you cancel it out ?

6) Do you love all, including your enemies ?

7) Do you truly trust your Lord to where you are obedient to Him, or do you cancel out obedience ?

dcontroversal · Dec 2, 2014

SoulWeaver said:

I personally believe that everyone is written in the book of the living (life) and blotted out when they fail to exercise belief into Christ.....

kennethcadwell · Dec 2, 2014

dcontroversal said:

You can not have it both ways.
You can not say that the saved are written in the book from the foundation of the world, but the lost are only stricken when they fail to exercise belief.
God knows all things, and those that He knows will never believe in Him would never be written in the Book of Life to begin with. We are all enmity to God and have no place in salvation ( Book of Life ) tell we repent from our sins and put our faith in the Lord and follow Him.
Then if you disobey Him you can be blotted out. He gave that warning to believers in Revelation that if you take away from His word, He will take away salvation from you.

dcontroversal · Dec 2, 2014

eternally-gratefull said:

1 John 5:5
Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

rev 2: 5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.[/QUOTE

Quite simple to me.....I believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that He paid my sin debt on the cross some 2000 years almost before I was even brought forth....God called me to salvation knowing every sin I would commit and saved me and wrote me in the book of life before the casting down of the world.....I will ALWAYS believe that Jesus is the Son of God that TAKETH AWAY THE SIN IOF THE WHOLE WORLD......He tool ALL my sin upon HIM both past, present and future sin period. Will I pay for sins committed by a good butt whippin.....you bet as God chastens those whom he LOVES and will whip every son whom he shall receive.........period!

dcontroversal · Dec 2, 2014

kennethcadwell said:

You can not have it both ways.
You can not say that the saved are written in the book from the foundation of the world, but the lost are only stricken when they fail to exercise belief.
God knows all things, and those that He knows will never believe in Him would never be written in the Book of Life to begin with. We are all enmity to God and have no place in salvation ( Book of Life ) tell we repent from our sins and put our faith in the Lord and follow Him.
Then if you disobey Him you can be blotted out. He gave that warning to believers in Revelation that if you take away from His word, He will take away salvation from you.

Oh yes I can as that is what the bible teaches...how long has it been since you have been a Catholic Kenneth?

kennethcadwell · Dec 2, 2014

dcontroversal said:

Really lets see if Malachi says the same as you;

Malachi 3:16
Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 2, 2014

kennethcadwell said:

even if you did all this.

You would still be unworthy of the lamb, because you still have sin in your life.

kennethcadwell · Dec 2, 2014

eternally-gratefull said:

That is not an answer to those questions. I have respect for Dconn because at least when I have asked him questions he has given straight up answers to those questions I posed instead of beating around answering them.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 2, 2014

kennethcadwell said:

I was not beating around the bush, I was stating a fact.

what would it matter? I can answer yes to all of those questions (because I do), but I still fall short of the glory of God. so do the answer to those questions really matter, if we can do them all, and still fall short of the glory of God, needing the redemptive act of Christ to be placed on our account, or we would be doomed to an eternity from hell?

dcontroversal · Dec 2, 2014

kennethcadwell said:

No doubt....a book of remembrance<----doesn't say LIFE

kennethcadwell · Dec 2, 2014

dcontroversal said:

The book of remembrance is the same as the book of life.
Those who are faithful and obedient to the Lord are written in this book, and when it comes to judgment there obedience will be remember and given salvation.

kennethcadwell · Dec 2, 2014

eternally-gratefull said:

Yes they do matter because if somebody answers no to any of those questions they lack or have no trust or love in the Lord, and their disobedience will show in their answers.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 2, 2014

kennethcadwell said:

talk about assuming something.

where do you get this? God has many books. what akes you think he will not have a book of remembrance apart from the book of life.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 2, 2014

kennethcadwell said:

and they probably have never been saved either.

but it does not matter, because you can do all of those, and never have been saved, so why does it matter.

SoulWeaver · Dec 2, 2014

kennethcadwell said:

I can say yes to all the 7 questions, in case you asked me as well.
I'm not perfectly obedient, but that's why Holy Spirit comes in with a rod to chastize me sometimes and I get a good beating (then I DO obey however)... You should have written to whom the question was directed to, and not just make into liars people who dont answer the questions because they didnt know they were directed towards them.

kennethcadwell · Dec 2, 2014

eternally-gratefull said:

Because Jesus said they matter, by stating that they are apart of one who believes in Him life.

Oh and for those who still want to cancel out obedience being a major part of a believers walk, here you go;

[h=3]John 14:15[/h]“If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

[h=3]1 Peter 1:14[/h]As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance,

[h=3]Acts 5:29[/h]But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men.

[h=3]Psalm 119:30[/h]I have chosen the way of faithfulness; I set your rules before me.

[h=3]2 Kings 18:6[/h]For he held fast to the Lord. He did not depart from following him, but kept the commandments that the Lord commanded Moses.

[h=3]1 John 5:3[/h]For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.

[h=3]Exodus 23:22[/h]“But if you carefully obey his voice and do all that I say, then I will be an enemy to your enemies and an adversary to your adversaries.

[h=3]John 14:31[/h]But I do as the Father has commanded me, so that the world may know that I love the Father. Rise, let us go from here.

[h=3]1 John 3:24[/h]Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.

[h=3]Psalm 119:60 ESV / 58 helpful votes[/h]I hasten and do not delay to keep your commandments.

[h=3]Psalm 119:44 ESV / 52 helpful votes[/h]I will keep your law continually, forever and ever,

[h=3]John 8:51 ESV / 49 helpful votes[/h]Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death.”

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kennethcadwell · Dec 2, 2014

[h=3]Luke 6:46 ESV / 43 helpful votes[/h]“Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?

[h=3]Psalm 112:1 ESV / 43 helpful votes[/h]Praise the Lord! Blessed is the man who fears the Lord, who greatly delights in his commandments!

[h=3]Deuteronomy 6:18 ESV / 42 helpful votes[/h]And you shall do what is right and good in the sight of the Lord, that it may go well with you, and that you may go in and take possession of the good land that the Lord swore to give to your fathers

[h=3]2 Chronicles 31:21 ESV / 41 helpful votes[/h]And every work that he undertook in the service of the house of God and in accordance with the law and the commandments, seeking his God, he did with all his heart, and prospered.

[h=3]Deuteronomy 4:39-40 ESV / 39 helpful votes[/h]Know therefore today, and lay it to your heart, that the Lord is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is no other. Therefore you shall keep his statutes and his commandments, which I command you today, that it may go well with you and with your children after you, and that you may prolong your days in the land that the Lord your God is giving you for all time.”

[h=3]Psalm 119:31 ESV / 34 helpful votes[/h]I cling to your testimonies, O Lord; let me not be put to shame!

[h=3]Psalm 119:59 ESV / 33 helpful votes[/h]When I think on my ways, I turn my feet to your testimonies;

[h=3]Joshua 22:5 ESV / 32 helpful votes[/h]Only be very careful to observe the commandment and the law that Moses the servant of the Lord commanded you, to love the Lord your God, and to walk in all his ways and to keep his commandments and to cling to him and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul.”

[h=3]Jeremiah 7:23 ESV / 28 helpful votes[/h]But this command I gave them: ‘Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be my people. And walk in all the way that I command you, that it may be well with you.’

[h=3]Isaiah 1:19 ESV / 26 helpful votes[/h]If you are willing and obedient, you shall eat the good of the land;

[h=3]James 1:22-25 ESV / 25 helpful votes[/h]But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror. For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like. But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.

[h=3]Psalm 99:7 ESV / 25 helpful votes[/h]In the pillar of the cloud he spoke to them; they kept his testimonies and the statute that he gave them.

[h=3]Ephesians 2:10 ESV / 24 helpful votes[/h]For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

[h=3]Matthew 9:9 ESV / 23 helpful votes[/h]As Jesus passed on from there, he saw a man called Matthew sitting at the tax booth, and he said to him, “Follow me.” And he rose and followed him.

[h=3]Matthew 6:24 ESV / 23 helpful votes[/h]“No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.

[h=3]Psalm 119:112 ESV / 22 helpful votes[/h]I incline my heart to perform your statutes forever, to the end.

[h=3]Psalm 143:10 ESV / 21 helpful votes[/h]Teach me to do your will, for you are my God! Let your good Spirit lead me on level ground!

[h=3]Psalm 119:100-102 ESV / 21 helpful votes[/h]I understand more than the aged, for I keep your precepts. I hold back my feet from every evil way, in order to keep your word. I do not turn aside from your rules, for you have taught me.

[h=3]Proverbs 16:7 ESV / 20 helpful votes[/h]When a man's ways please the Lord, he makes even his enemies to be at peace with him.

[h=3]Ezra 7:10 ESV / 20 helpful votes[/h]For Ezra had set his heart to study the Law of the Lord, and to do it and to teach his statutes and rules in Israel.

[h=3]Proverbs 10:8 ESV / 19 helpful votes[/h]The wise of heart will receive commandments, but a babbling fool will come to ruin.

[h=3]Titus 3:1 ESV / 18 helpful votes[/h]Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,

[h=3]John 13:17 ESV / 18 helpful votes[/h]If you know these things, blessed are you if you do them

Why do people not understand.. Dead means dead.

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