Paul And James in Total, Complete Agreement On Works

[posthuman]

"faith" relies on whom we are depending.

faith in ones self? useless.

faith in Christ? life, and life eternal!!

 

[SeaBass]

You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you
that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide,
so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.
(John 15:16)

Jesus is speaking to His apostles. Christ chose those men for that office they did not choose themselves.

You still choose for yourself to either mind things of the flesh or things of the spirit.

 

[SeaBass]

the ones that God sanctifies, those ones obey Him.

And I said, ‘Who are you, Lord?’
And the Lord said, ‘I am Jesus whom you are persecuting.
But rise and stand upon your feet, for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to appoint you as a servant and witness to the things in which you have seen me and to those in which I will appear to you, delivering you from your people and from the Gentiles—to whom I am sending you to open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’
(Acts 26:15-18)

how much 'choice' did Paul have?

when Paul acted of his own free will, he persecuted, imprisoned and put to death the believers.
when Paul gave up his free will - and became the servant of our Good Master - he began to do the works prepared for Him beforehand.

was Paul sanctified before he began to do this holy work? or only after, at the end of his ministry?

the temple articles were sanctified before they could be put to any use. are we, being built into His temple, different than that shadow of the things to come?

Acts 26:19 "Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:"

Saul could have chosen to disobey but chose not to.

 

[posthuman]

Acts 26:19 "Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:"

Saul could have chosen to disobey but chose not to.

the scripture -- that is true. the one whom the Lord appointed was obedient.

your commentary that Saul could have disobeyed -- human opinion.

Jonah thought he could disobey -- what happened in the end?

 

[newbirth]

King david was, Abraham was, Paul was. I guess they will go to hell?

they all repented......you refuse to

are you denying he is talking about people who SAY THEY HAVE FAITH but has no works.?

they say because they have...albeit without works....

yes he could, because he was talking about those who SAY THEY HAVE FAITH. not real faith, it was a claimed faith, it was not real at all, it was DEAD because it was no existent.

Faith comes by hearing ...God gives us faith......are you saying God gives faith that is not real....more of your lies...

[SUP]14 [/SUP]What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?

That my friend, makes you a liar!

how does that make me a liar when those are words I quote to you...it is you who say there is no such thing as faith without works or faith alone...when it is written in scripture......and your buddies encourage you in your foolish ramblings by liking your post...your problem is you never knew how men got faith....it is a surprise to you to hear faith comes by hearing...and you still make stupid comments like it was not real faith or a claimed faith..or it was no existent....God gives all men the measure of faith...men have to do the works of faith

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You add words to what I posted. I did not say one believes repents confesses, is baptized then is free to live as he wishes.

But I said one believes, repents confess, is baptized to become saved and then must do good works, (Eph 2:10) remain faithful unto death (Rev 2:10) to remain saved.

ok, then to remain faithful, you must have certain amount of works.

How many works are their? What is the cut off between a living faith and a dead faith we have to maintain??

 

[SeaBass]

who begins the work in me? who carries it through? who completes it?

is it me?

And I am sure of this,
that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
(Philippians 1:6)

Why would God begin a work in those Phillippians?

Because of "your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now"

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Right, as long as you obey all he commands:

Matthew 28:20 (NKJV) teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

and many of these commands are:

Hear the Gospel
John. 20:30-31; Rom. 10:17

Believe
Rom. 1:16; Acts 18:8; Heb. 11:6

Repent
Lk. 13:3; 24:47; Acts 3:19; 17:30

Confess Faith in Christ
Rom. 10:9-10; Acts 8:37

Be Baptized
Mat. 28:19; Mk. 16:16; Acts 2:38; 10:47-48;
22:16; Rom. 6:1-6; Gal. 3:27; Col. 2:12;
1Pet. 3:21

Be Faithful Unto and Until Death
Mat. 25:21, 34; 2Pet. 1:1-11; Rev. 2:10;
1Jno. 1:6-9

Obey all he commands?

Hate to say it bro. but there are far more commands than this few you posted. if your going to say we have to obey all. You better start becoming perfect.

or did you not mean all??

 

[SeaBass]

the scripture -- that is true. the one whom the Lord appointed was obedient.

your commentary that Saul could have disobeyed -- human opinion.

Jonah thought he could disobey -- what happened in the end?

Both Saul and Jonah had the choice to obey or not.

God has foreknowledge and knew how each would choose of his own freewill in reaction to God approaching them.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

who begins the work in me? who carries it through? who completes it?

is it me?

And I am sure of this,
that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
(Philippians 1:6)

amen, I do not know what some people reject the power of God. and want to do it if their own power. I would live every day in fear if i had to do it of my own power.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

MUST a Christian do good works (Eph 2:10) or if not will that Christian be lost for lack of good works?

eph 2: 10 says a christian will do works. Not that they must.

Nice try though

 

[eternally-gratefull]

the scripture -- that is true. the one whom the Lord appointed was obedient.

your commentary that Saul could have disobeyed -- human opinion.

Jonah thought he could disobey -- what happened in the end?

remember, these lawyers seem to think they can withstand the chastening of God. and do no work.. Like jonah, Scripture is full of people who tried to resist Gods will, and were chastened into doing what God wanted (produce fruit)

WHo can withstand the chastenign of God?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

they all repented......you refuse to

Make up your mind, are those people going to hell or not? You mentioned nothing of repenting, Cant you get your story straight.

I repented along time agao my friend, That is why my faith is in God, and I stopped trusting myself. And God has used me in ways I could never imagine, And will keep doing so. Because my faith is in HIM, Not myself

so when are you going to repent so God can use you?

they say because they have...albeit without works....

lol. So everyone who says they have a million dollars has it?

Dude why do you not give up? Cant you see your own blindness, You can not be that ignorant.

Faith comes by hearing ...God gives us faith......are you saying God gives faith that is not real....more of your lies...
how does that make me a liar when those are words I quote to you...it is you who say there is no such thing as faith without works or faith alone...when it is written in scripture......and your buddies encourage you in your foolish ramblings by liking your post...your problem is you never knew how men got faith....it is a surprise to you to hear faith comes by hearing...and you still make stupid comments like it was not real faith or a claimed faith..or it was no existent....God gives all men the measure of faith...men have to do the works of faith

So when are you going to tell me how a person who rejects everything God says about sin and the gospel has faith in God, Even if he has heard it?

Again, Are you that ignorant? or that stupid? I am honestly beginning to worry,

 

[posthuman]

Jesus is speaking to His apostles.

oh yes! He told His disciples: "you have not chosen me, but I have chosen you"

you know what else He told them?

"go and make disciples of all the nations"

doesn't this make you thankful!! and doesn't it destroy boasting of ourselves??

sheep don't choose their shepherd.
rather, the Shepherd chooses His sheep.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why would God begin a work in those Phillippians?

Because of "your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now"

so did he lie? or will he finish what he started like he promised?

 

[posthuman]

amen, I do not know what some people reject the power of God. and want to do it if their own power. I would live every day in fear if i had to do it of my own power.

but 'He has not given us a spirit of fear' -- and 'perfect love casts out fear'

!!

this should teach us something

 

[newbirth]

Wrong again.......Galatians 1,3 teach against this....

FAITH alone SAVES.....FAITH that is GENUINE and that which saves will produce fruit.....the fruit is the evidence of the FAITH that saves and this is not about chocolate milk and you still are trusting into your works and abilities......WHAT you fail to understand is that it is Jesus' faith that saves US and it is JESUS dai US that produces the works......

your pal EG says there is no such thing as faith alone....but you both compromise and come to an agreement ...where in Galatians does it say.... FAITH alone SAVES.that would be contradicting scripture...[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

we are saved by grace through faith.....so it is faith in Christ......you are just spewing your opinion....which is a false gospel...



Matthew 9:29

Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.
Colossians 2:5
For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.

1 Thessalonians 1:3
Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

 

[posthuman]

could Senaccherib, the enemy of God, disobey God's will?

Because you rage against me and because your insolence has reached my ears,
I will put my hook in your nose and my bit in your mouth,
and I will make you return by the way you came.
(Isaiah 37:29)

how much more the children of God?

And I will put my Spirit within you,
and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.
(Ezekiel 36:27)

call me a "slacker" or "irresponsible" if you like, but i am praising God, and the power of His majesty!!
i cannot do otherwise in His will.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Faith and works go hand and hand.
You can not have one without the other, and all the Apostles agree to this.
You can not say they don't matter, or you don't have to do them, because over and over again in the NT it says if you don't have works, it shows you have no truth in you, hince no salvation. Then for those who think you can not lose your salvation, Peter does not agree with you.

2 Peter 3:17
You therefore, beloved, seeing you know these things beforehand, beware lest you also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness.

 

[newbirth]

Make up your mind, are those people going to hell or not? You mentioned nothing of repenting, Cant you get your story straight.

I repented along time agao my friend, That is why my faith is in God, and I stopped trusting myself. And God has used me in ways I could never imagine, And will keep doing so. Because my faith is in HIM, Not myself

so when are you going to repent so God can use you?

stick to the topic ...you lied concerning faith without works ...you need to repent

lol. So everyone who says they have a million dollars has it?

how would you know?

Dude why do you not give up? Cant you see your own blindness, You can not be that ignorant.

you are funny

So when are you going to tell me how a person who rejects everything God says about sin and the gospel has faith in God, Even if he has heard it?

you are claiming they reject God....because you say so....does that mean they reject???

Again, Are you that ignorant? or that stupid? I am honestly beginning to worry,

you really are funny.
a true diplomat avoid every thing I put to you and come back with personal attacks....I have no problem with with the personal attacks...but deal with the issues....like..... faith comes by hearing....does God give faith that is not real