Why do Atheists Bother?

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Dude653

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Liberals and atheists are the most annoying people on earth.
 

Chopper

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Look not upon one another to see their faults, but rather to see the Meshiah in them with love for one another.
Question what you know to be false to open the door that they might see the light of truth.
 
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Liberals and atheists are the most annoying people on earth.
Oh, my heavens! That's me! But not to worry. I am not offended. I just look at where the assertion is coming from. :)
 
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Are you blind? All the missing links are "compartmentalized" if they were fluid it would prove it in a second... FOR INSTANCE SHOW ME A SKULL THAT ILLUSTRATES A REPTILE TURNING INTO A BIRD OVER TIME! Watch the skull slowly shrink, the nose slowly become a beak... That would prove it in a second, but instead you have a reptile skull, a crushed reptile skull, and a bird... and you go MISSING LINK!
I honestly believe that every human is intelligent enough to understand something if it is explained properly, but you are making me want to reconsider that belief.

Evolution requires time. So lets apply the idea to a simple premise of chronology. If you imagine mixing blue and red food die, and you take a picture of that mixing process at every 10 millliseconds, then show those to a person, they see stills of a person mixing blue and red food die taken at every 10 milliseconds and recognize the progressive pattern.

Let us apply a metaphor. Each still is a fossil. This metaphor is adequate because fossils are organisms that existed in one moment of time. Now, if we find one fossil from two hundred thousand years ago, and another from four hundred thousand, and recognize lots of similarities, but some changes, we can see some kind of progression. A good example of such fossils are hominids.

We have found fossils from tens of thousands, right up to hundreds of thousands of years ago. And the older the fossil, the more significant the differences in biological characteristics compared to modern humans. At certain stages of evolution, the fossil becomes sufficiently different that we say 'okay, this fossil is very different from the fossil from a hundred thousand years before, it should be classified as a different species'. Just like the stills of the mixing process show different points of the journey of the mix, from blue and red to marble, to slight marble to purple, so fossils show different points on the evolutionary timeline of an organism.

Now, your issue is this: When you see a fossil classified 'homo erectus', for instance, against homo sapiens, you say to yourself, 'these are different organisms, there is no connection', and it is like seeing the blue and red, then the purple, and saying 'there is no connection.'

You second issue os that when we show you the marbling of the blue and red at specific intervals (for instance homo florensis, homo habilis), you say 'no, those are different species still! Show me a transitional fossil'. It doesn't matter hos many still we show you, you refus to see that the blue and red mix to purple over time; you refuse to recognize the continuous evolutionary process. We can, with time, find more fossils, and show you more frequent still pictures lf the evolutionary process, but there is a limit to the frame rate of our stills, dictated by how many fossils e have actually found. Just like the camera can only take so many pictures a second, we can only show you so many fossils. Yes, technology progresses and we continually find more fossils to bridge gaps in the fossil record, but if you refuse to recognize the progression and instead treat each fossil as unrelated to another, there will NEVER be a transitional fossil in your mind.

Most people recognize that blue and red mix to make purple, but you're in denial.
 
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Look not upon one another to see their faults, but rather to see the Meshiah in them with love for one another.
We might also remind them to let he who is not guilty cast the first insult.

Chopper said:
Question what you know to be false to open the door that they might see the light of truth.
I think a full and open discussion will over time lead the uninformed to the light. I don't know if this is what you are saying, but if you are then I must agree with you.
 

T_Laurich

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We might also remind them to let he who is not guilty cast the first insult.
Where do you get that from? Have you not read the prophets laughing at the pagans asking if their gods are on the toilet?
 

T_Laurich

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This is in reference to "Let him without sin cast the first stone"
Yes. I co-opted it.
I understand but that is a misquoting in the context Cycel used it. It is saying, do not judge else you will be judged... And when adultery is in your heart, I would not cast a stone either.
 
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Where do you get that from? Have you not read the prophets laughing at the pagans asking if their gods are on the toilet?
Never heard of that. Can you give me the passage?
 

Chopper

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Bless you Cyel that you have knowledge of His Word.
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of YHWH.
 

T_Laurich

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I honestly believe that every human is intelligent enough to understand something if it is explained properly, but you are making me want to reconsider that belief.

Evolution requires time. So lets apply the idea to a simple premise of chronology. If you imagine mixing blue and red food die, and you take a picture of that mixing process at every 10 millliseconds, then show those to a person, they see stills of a person mixing blue and red food die taken at every 10 milliseconds and recognize the progressive pattern.

Let us apply a metaphor. Each still is a fossil. This metaphor is adequate because fossils are organisms that existed in one moment of time. Now, if we find one fossil from two hundred thousand years ago, and another from four hundred thousand, and recognize lots of similarities, but some changes, we can see some kind of progression. A good example of such fossils are hominids.

We have found fossils from tens of thousands, right up to hundreds of thousands of years ago. And the older the fossil, the more significant the differences in biological characteristics compared to modern humans. At certain stages of evolution, the fossil becomes sufficiently different that we say 'okay, this fossil is very different from the fossil from a hundred thousand years before, it should be classified as a different species'. Just like the stills of the mixing process show different points of the journey of the mix, from blue and red to marble, to slight marble to purple, so fossils show different points on the evolutionary timeline of an organism.

Now, your issue is this: When you see a fossil classified 'homo erectus', for instance, against homo sapiens, you say to yourself, 'these are different organisms, there is no connection', and it is like seeing the blue and red, then the purple, and saying 'there is no connection.'

You second issue os that when we show you the marbling of the blue and red at specific intervals (for instance homo florensis, homo habilis), you say 'no, those are different species still! Show me a transitional fossil'. It doesn't matter hos many still we show you, you refus to see that the blue and red mix to purple over time; you refuse to recognize the continuous evolutionary process. We can, with time, find more fossils, and show you more frequent still pictures lf the evolutionary process, but there is a limit to the frame rate of our stills, dictated by how many fossils e have actually found. Just like the camera can only take so many pictures a second, we can only show you so many fossils. Yes, technology progresses and we continually find more fossils to bridge gaps in the fossil record, but if you refuse to recognize the progression and instead treat each fossil as unrelated to another, there will NEVER be a transitional fossil in your mind.

Most people recognize that blue and red mix to make purple, but you're in denial.
Show me these pictures
Or tell me a series of transitions.:)
 
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I disagree too. We are only the second most annoying after the 'cough'... 'sputter'... creationists. :)

I must know T_Laurish, who are the most annoying in your view? Or are you too gentlemanly to say?
 

T_Laurich

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I disagree too. We are only the second most annoying after the 'cough'... 'sputter'... creationists. :)

I must know T_Laurish, who are the most annoying in your view? Or are you too gentlemanly to say?
Most annoying person is the one who refuses to intellectually debate when they have the capacity to do so...
I take that back, the most annoying person is someone who will not admit they are wrong.

I don't find atheists annoying because I used to be one, I was not given all the facts and was brain washed... I find many atheists in my former position...
 
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I don't find atheists annoying because I used to be one, I was not given all the facts and was brain washed... I find many atheists in my former position...
Interesting. That is how I see my Christian past.