Trinity?

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ChristIsGod

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John 14:17-19King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.



the question is ...do you have the HS which is Christ in you?....or is the HS and Christ two separate entities?
you see bowman you deny Christ in you and the HS in you is one and the same

2 Corinthians 3:16-18King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
[SUP]17[/SUP]Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
About your question that I put in red ... he knows how to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. That's why I can't take this man serious anymore. I tried hard too.
Harder than I can share.
 
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No, not backing down - Mr. False Accuser. :p It's just that if you have to ASK for those Scripture verses from the N.T., then I really can't take you seriously. You should be rattling them off like a machine gun, IF you KNOW The Word of GOD so well.

Yikes! Scarey to think you've never read them. SERIOUSLY! No wonder you can so quickly accuse the Brethren.
 
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No, not backing down - Mr. False Accuser. :p It's just that if you have to ASK for those Scripture verses from the N.T., then I really can't take you seriously. You should be rattling them off like a machine gun, IF you KNOW The Word of GOD so well.

Yikes! Scarey to think you've never read them. SERIOUSLY! No wonder you can so quickly accuse the Brethren.

When you are finished making excuses for NOT wanting to discuss scripture, please let me know....
 
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ChristIsGod

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With you? No, I don't believe that's what The Spirit of Christ is telling me to do. Sorry!!!
 
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Didn't realize we were on a Salvation thread ... I wanted to post this one, for now, along with those two from John 14 -

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit,
if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Yes, it does go along with John 14:23 - Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

But it is sort of funny that that was a Salvation thread yet we were being directed to John 14 & 15 - as both of those address the "commandments" that He commanded that we need to walk in. How do you catch the triunity in those chpts and not the commandments conversation that the same LORD and Savior was talking about?

Makes one's head spin.
 
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Yes, I did type "TriUnity" intentionally.
 
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Didn't realize we were on a Salvation thread ... I wanted to post this one, for now, along with those two from John 14 -

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit,
if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Yes, it does go along with John 14:23 - Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

But it is sort of funny that that was a Salvation thread yet we were being directed to John 14 & 15 - as both of those address the "commandments" that He commanded that we need to walk in. How do you catch the triunity in those chpts and not the commandments conversation that the same LORD and Savior was talking about?

Makes one's head spin.

Nothing in these verses would make one draw the conclusion that The Father is The Son is The Holy Spirit.

 
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Trinity is a word not found in the bible but it is a catholic traditional belief around 360-380 A.d . It was written as 3 GODS CO EXISTANT CO ETERNAL N THERE'S A THIRD I CAN'T REMEMBER AT THIS MOMENT . Sorry , but the reason u have trouble with it is because it's a doctrine that stems from paganism . It's a belief that is contrary to Judaism which is our Christianity roots . Judaism is our root n that root was monotheistic in belief . Not polytheistic . Without overflowing your cup n confusing are u with me so far ?
 
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Basically if John 4:24 says god is a spirit , then you find a question is there more than 1 spirit ? Of course not so the spirit is god which is holy . So that kills god being seperate from the holyghost or Holy Spirit . So if any believe would be close to the whole truth u would say at least there are 2 . Food for thought .. ; ) not 3 but as I said Judaism is monotheistic 1 god Islam is the same Jews belief I monotheistic . 1 god
 
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If Jesus was the the word and the word was with God and the Word was God then who did Jesus pray to?
 
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Mike2836

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He prayed to the spirit , his father that dwelled in him. Remember Jesus' was fully man yet also fully God depending on which role he was in . As man he was tempted , hungered , n grew weary , as GOD he healed , forgave sin, Walked on water , turned water into wine , etc. this is the mystery yet it is revealed from glory to glory as by the spirit . The spirit is holy n is god . John 4:24. There is but 1 spirit (holyghost ) so the spirit or god created a body dwelled in it n overcame sin . Praise his name ! It's wonderful to know god didn't send someone else to do the dirty work but he came to earth himself n showed us how to live a victorious life . Prayer , fasting getting our flesh out of the way will allow god to help us take on his nature of holiness n righteousness
 
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He prayed to the spirit , his father that dwelled in him. Remember Jesus' was fully man yet also fully God depending on which role he was in . As man he was tempted , hungered , n grew weary , as GOD he healed , forgave sin, Walked on water , turned water into wine , etc. this is the mystery yet it is revealed from glory to glory as by the spirit . The spirit is holy n is god . John 4:24. There is but 1 spirit (holyghost ) so the spirit or god created a body dwelled in it n overcame sin . Praise his name ! It's wonderful to know god didn't send someone else to do the dirty work but he came to earth himself n showed us how to live a victorious life . Prayer , fasting getting our flesh out of the way will allow god to help us take on his nature of holiness n righteousness
So Jesus prayed to Himself okay. When Peter cut the dudes ear off, Jesus Said do you not that I can ask my Father and He will send ten legions of Angels. So could He ask Himself as well?
 
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ChristIsGod

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Nothing in these verses would make one draw the conclusion that The Father is The Son is The Holy Spirit.
I understand that it is hard to understand after getting one's doctrine from some early church 'father' but we'll concentrate more from now on on Who Jesus is - as it is an important topic and shouldn't be filled with fighting each other in carnal ways but Scripture and Scripture only. If you can try doing things that way only - I would love to talk about HIM.

First, we can look at not only Isaiah 9:6 and what it actually says in the Hebrew - as I believe that is the way that you want verses translated - by the original languages - and so do I - OK?

You have access to a Strong's numbered Hebrew Dictionary so you can look up the words in that verse, reading from right to left and see what you get by translating from the passage and not from Commentaries or other sources -- just His bare Word - which is all they had before whomever began to write about Him or 'interpret' His Words - like Rabbis or Church 'fathers' ...

6 (9:5) כיH3588 ילדH3206 ילדH3205 לנו בןH1121 נתןH5414 לנו ותהיH1961 המשׂרהH4951 עלH5921 שׁכמוH7926 ויקראH7121 שׁמוH8034 פלאH6382 יועץH3289 אלH410 גבורH1368 אביעדH5703 שׂרH8269 שׁלום׃H7965
 
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Jughead...

Trinity is a word not found in the bible but it is a catholic traditional belief around 360-380 A.d .
Its right next to the word, 'monad'...





It was written as 3 GODS CO EXISTANT CO ETERNAL N THERE'S A THIRD I CAN'T REMEMBER AT THIS MOMENT .
Wrong.



Sorry , but the reason u have trouble with it is because it's a doctrine that stems from paganism .
Show us a pagan triad which has all three persons simultaneously the ONE God.

Good luck...



It's a belief that is contrary to Judaism which is our Christianity roots . Judaism is our root n that root was monotheistic in belief . Not polytheistic . Without overflowing your cup n confusing are u with me so far ?
Jews who believe in The Trinity are now called Christians.
 
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ChristIsGod

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Correction --- Nope - it copies and pastes it from left to right. Curious thing.
 
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Re: Jughead...







Jews who believe in The Trinity are now called Christians.
mormons,sda,catholics and a host of others are call christians......just because you believe something does not make it truth....And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Did he forget to mention three...or are you making him a liar???
 
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I understand that it is hard to understand after getting one's doctrine from some early church 'father' but we'll concentrate more from now on on Who Jesus is - as it is an important topic and shouldn't be filled with fighting each other in carnal ways but Scripture and Scripture only. If you can try doing things that way only - I would love to talk about HIM.

First, we can look at not only Isaiah 9:6 and what it actually says in the Hebrew - as I believe that is the way that you want verses translated - by the original languages - and so do I - OK?

You have access to a Strong's numbered Hebrew Dictionary so you can look up the words in that verse, reading from right to left and see what you get by translating from the passage and not from Commentaries or other sources -- just His bare Word - which is all they had before whomever began to write about Him or 'interpret' His Words - like Rabbis or Church 'fathers' ...

6 (9:5) כיH3588 ילדH3206 ילדH3205 לנו בןH1121 נתןH5414 לנו ותהיH1961 המשׂרהH4951 עלH5921 שׁכמוH7926 ויקראH7121 שׁמוH8034 פלאH6382 יועץH3289 אלH410 גבורH1368 אביעדH5703 שׂרH8269 שׁלום׃H7965

Hebrew is always read from right to left...interesting that your previous post had it reading left to right.

Observe also that The Son shares the Name 'Father'....NOT that He IS The Father.

See the critical difference...?
 
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Re: Jughead...

mormons,sda,catholics and a host of others are call christians......just because you believe something does not make it truth....
Christian cults.....



And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Did he forget to mention three...or are you making him a liar???
The Shema IS Trinitarian to begin with!

We already went over this with you...
 
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ChristIsGod

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I knew you couldn't do this.

What on earth is this "We already went over this with you..." stuff?

You don't want to discuss Scripture with Scripture for as long as I've known you on a forum and that's too sad.

Giving someone the answer "it's right next to word, "monad" ... Now what kind of answer is that?

What are you trying to show this person with that type of answer? If he googles it he'll get a catholic site as his first choice and that will confuse him even further .... you just like to play games with the members minds and not show that you care about any member here.

I told you that the Hebrew that I copy and paste reverses when pasting it but being who you are - you have to repeat what was told to you.

You do not want to discuss Scripture --- you only desire to appear to be knowledgeable but won't produce the Only Words that Matter to us all - HIS!

That's appears to be a disorder of some sort.
 
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