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Well, if you want to get technical here, you did not really repent. The Scriptures say God is the One who grantes repentance (2 Timotthy 2:25). For Esau found no repentance, even though he sought it carefully with tears (Hebrews 12:17). This is based off God knowing what your future free will choice is going to be (See 1 Peter 1:1, 2) (And focus on verse 2). Meaning, God knows a person's heart and if they are truly willing to accept Him or not. So again, a person does not do something to save themselves. God granted them repentance (knowing their heart and if it was open or not).
For when I said I repented and accepted Jesus Christ, I was speaking from my human external experience and not from God's eternal plan of knowing who is His Elect are (and or those who are truly open to receiving the gospel).
For when I said I repented and accepted Jesus Christ, I was speaking from my human external experience and not from God's eternal plan of knowing who is His Elect are (and or those who are truly open to receiving the gospel).
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In other words, you gotta stop it with this "fishy savaltion by works false doctrine", my friend. Ephesians 2:8-9 says we are saved by grace and not that of yourselves it is the gift of God and not of works (lest any man should boast). Paul says if you seek to be justified by the Law, you have fallen from grace (Galatians 5:4). For we are saved by his mercy and by the washing and regeneration of the Holy Ghost (Titus 3:15).
God has granted repentance means God has given man the opportunity to repent.
In Acts 2:38 Peter commanded his hearers to repent. The imperative implies the listeners not only had the ability to repent but they had the responsibility to repent obeying God's command to repent. So the responsibility is upon man to repent and man therefore bears accountability if he does not repent. God foreknew these Jews would crucify the Messiah and God foreknew if they would repent or not, yet God gave them the command to repent leaving up to their own freewill choice to repent or not. Repentance was not something God would force to do do or not do. And God's foreknowledge does not demand predetermination.
So the lost unbelievers of acts 2 must choose to do the work or repenting if they were to be saved. Repentance is a choice you must make to do or not do. Is repentance a work that man does? Yes, Jesus said the people of Nineveh repented at the preaching of Jonah. And in Jonah 3 the king of Nineveh lead the Ninevites to repent in sackcloth and ashes and verse 10 says God SAW their WORK that they turned (repented) of their evil way.
In Acts 2:38 Peter commanded his hearers to repent. The imperative implies the listeners not only had the ability to repent but they had the responsibility to repent obeying God's command to repent. So the responsibility is upon man to repent and man therefore bears accountability if he does not repent. God foreknew these Jews would crucify the Messiah and God foreknew if they would repent or not, yet God gave them the command to repent leaving up to their own freewill choice to repent or not. Repentance was not something God would force to do do or not do. And God's foreknowledge does not demand predetermination.
So the lost unbelievers of acts 2 must choose to do the work or repenting if they were to be saved. Repentance is a choice you must make to do or not do. Is repentance a work that man does? Yes, Jesus said the people of Nineveh repented at the preaching of Jonah. And in Jonah 3 the king of Nineveh lead the Ninevites to repent in sackcloth and ashes and verse 10 says God SAW their WORK that they turned (repented) of their evil way.
The "not of works' of Eph 2:9 refers to works of merit and not obedient works in doing God's will for no one can be saved while disobeying and not doing God's will. I am not seeking to be justified by the law of Moses but by the law of Christ, His NT gospel. Again, Rom 6:17,18 Paul said the Romans:
1) servants of sin
2) obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine (NT law of Christ, the gospel)
3) then being freed from sin
The order of events is Paul had obedience BEFORE being freed from sin/justified. ANd Paul does not contradict himself in Eph 2:9 by eliminating obeying from the heart from being saved.
Tts 3:5 washing of regeneration is referring to being water baptized.
Just like the devil in the garden...add words and change the context
Works is works is works is works of RIGHTEOUSNESS......NO WHERE is the word OF MERIT USED.....more twisty twist from Mr. Twisty Sea Perch here for sure, because Ephesians 2 contradicts your Campbellite works/watered down salvation message!
Works is works is works is works of RIGHTEOUSNESS......NO WHERE is the word OF MERIT USED.....more twisty twist from Mr. Twisty Sea Perch here for sure, because Ephesians 2 contradicts your Campbellite works/watered down salvation message!
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Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jud 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jud 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Jud 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
Jud 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
Jud 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Jud 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Jud 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
Jud 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jud 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
Jud 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Jud 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jud 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jud 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Jud 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
Jud 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
Jud 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Jud 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Jud 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
Jud 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jud 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
Jud 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Jud 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
God commands all men to repent, but He knows that not all people are going to repent, though. A person still can't repent without God giving a person the ability to repent. For God's Word says.... IF .... IF.... God will give them repentance.
2 Timothy 2:25
"In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; IF God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;"
As I said before, Esau found no repentance although he sought it carefully with tears. Does this mean Esau had no hope of being saved? No. It just means that Esau was not being pure of heart or true with God so as to repent for real, so God could not give him repentance. God knew Esau did not really want to truly repent. He chose to be wicked in heart because he sold his birthright. Esau would have liked to repent, but it was not the true sorrow or repentance God was looking for. For there is a worldly sorrow and a Godly sorrow. For Judas was sorry about what he did to Jesus, but it was not a Godly sorrow because he hanged himself. But do not fool yourself, my friend. God is one step ahead of our free will choices. There is nothing that gets passed Him. He knows all things as if they had already happened already. For the Lord has declared the End from the Beginning (Isaiah 46:10).
2 Timothy 2:25
"In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; IF God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;"
As I said before, Esau found no repentance although he sought it carefully with tears. Does this mean Esau had no hope of being saved? No. It just means that Esau was not being pure of heart or true with God so as to repent for real, so God could not give him repentance. God knew Esau did not really want to truly repent. He chose to be wicked in heart because he sold his birthright. Esau would have liked to repent, but it was not the true sorrow or repentance God was looking for. For there is a worldly sorrow and a Godly sorrow. For Judas was sorry about what he did to Jesus, but it was not a Godly sorrow because he hanged himself. But do not fool yourself, my friend. God is one step ahead of our free will choices. There is nothing that gets passed Him. He knows all things as if they had already happened already. For the Lord has declared the End from the Beginning (Isaiah 46:10).
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No, it says we are not saved that of ourselves in Ephesians 2. That is exactly what it means. It says salvation is a gift. Not of works. Then in verse 10 it mentions how we are created unto good works. These are not two different types of works. There is no indication of Paul switching back and forth of talking about OT works and then NT works. Works are still works.
Titus 3:5 does not mention anything about baptism whatsoever. For is not baptism a work of righteousness? Well, if it is then it is disqualified from Titus 3:5; Because Titus 3:5 specifically says,
"NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE, BUT ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED US."
Then we continue and it says, "he saved us, ....
... By the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;"
Does the passage say, "He saved us by the washing of regeneration and renewing of baptism by the Holy Ghost" ?
No, it does not. You must insert that type of false belief into the text, my friend.
Titus 3:5 does not mention anything about baptism whatsoever. For is not baptism a work of righteousness? Well, if it is then it is disqualified from Titus 3:5; Because Titus 3:5 specifically says,
"NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE, BUT ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED US."
Then we continue and it says, "he saved us, ....
... By the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;"
Does the passage say, "He saved us by the washing of regeneration and renewing of baptism by the Holy Ghost" ?
No, it does not. You must insert that type of false belief into the text, my friend.
While "Works salvationists" may think in carnal terms or in an external way, and I do not think this passage in Jude above here would accurately describe them. I believe Jude is talking about those believers who think they can commit all manner of horrible sins (Like murdering, hating, lusting, lying, stealing, and getting drunk, etc.) and still be saved. In other words, I believe this passage in Jude is talking about the Antinomian who believes the moral Law does not apply to the believer. For Jude essentially says they are walking after their own unGodly lusts and they defile their flesh (Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness or as the NIV says, "a license to sin"). Works salvationists are more like the Pharisees who created their own man made commandments. That is what "Works salvationists" do. They make up man made commands that say you need to do this now or you are not saved (When the Word of God does not say that). Jesus was very upset with the Pharisees. Especially seeing that they ignored the weightier matters of the Law like love, justice, and mercy.
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Gospel imperatives (what we must do)
are always grounded in Gospel indicatives (what Christ has done).
so why omit the beautiful doxology?
Jude 1:24-25
Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy,
to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.
It's only through the Person and Work of Jesus anyone stands...
but if we are in Christ, He will make sure we do.
(also known as the perseverance of the saints)
i don't mean to argue with you, of all people.
i hope you know that. ♥
are always grounded in Gospel indicatives (what Christ has done).
so why omit the beautiful doxology?
Jude 1:24-25
Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy,
to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.
It's only through the Person and Work of Jesus anyone stands...
but if we are in Christ, He will make sure we do.
(also known as the perseverance of the saints)
i don't mean to argue with you, of all people.
i hope you know that. ♥
C
Gospel imperatives (what we must do)
are always grounded in Gospel indicatives (what Christ has done).
so why omit the beautiful doxology?
Jude 1:24-25
Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy,
to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.
It's only through the Person and Work of Jesus anyone stands...
but if we are in Christ, He will make sure we do.
(also known as the perseverance of the saints)
i don't mean to argue with you, of all people.
i hope you know that. ♥
are always grounded in Gospel indicatives (what Christ has done).
so why omit the beautiful doxology?
Jude 1:24-25
Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy,
to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.
It's only through the Person and Work of Jesus anyone stands...
but if we are in Christ, He will make sure we do.
(also known as the perseverance of the saints)
i don't mean to argue with you, of all people.
i hope you know that. ♥
Well Sis, I hadn't even read this page when I felt that I had to post something about Balaam, so I said, "Sure, but What?" and I was led to Jude and I asked "Which?" and He just showed me where to start the high-lighting and said "STOP at Love" ... then I went back and read the posts before mine and understood why. I'm sorry, but this is the truth sincerely before our Lord.
Then went right offline and He reminded me of "Love for the brothers" and that without it, from John and 1 John, that we don't Love Him.
Also, He reminded me that "My Sheep Know my Voice and Follow" and that started a conversation with Him about the unsaved testimonies I've heard, that were drawn to Him and I remembered "Those who He foreknew" and "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God" and and it came to me that "THOSE" are His lost Sheep, those that He foreknew would love Him one day. Wow! Got goosebumps. So beautiful to think that those are they that He has chosen/elect [same greek word] so He's wooing them to Himself... but the criteria that they WILL meet - according to His Foreknowledge is that they'll hear, know and follow Him and Love Him and the Brethren or others as themselves and they wouldn't not love others -- especially their brothers --- nonetheless their ENEMIES. OH MY!!!
I came back on this thread and saw almost hatred coming from some against another and I then fully understood Why He wanted me to leave off the doxology.
That applies to His Sheep - those that love Him and others as themselves ... but there was none of that going on here on this thread. Mine you - I'm Just Now getting back on here from being off since I posted that.
Those verses in John and 1John about loving others or brothers comes as our test if we love Him. The focus has to stay on Love for our entire lifetime [sometimes we slip but not consistently] and if that's not there - well ...........
Just saw something that Jason posted -- my partial quotes "(like .... hating)" quick glancing so far at this page -- that's what I saw just before my post of Jude was "hate" and what else Jason wrote after I posted Jude "(Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness or as the NIV says, "a license to sin")" ... OK, have to admit - I do see what some folks are posting is "a license to sin" and not obedience to His commands.
And also from Jason before that, he posted 2Tim 2:25 sort of out of context .... as someone said to me [but not Jason] "Context, context, context" ... so here's the context of that verse ...
2Ti 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
2Ti 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
Looks like that that's Not was happening before I felt I was supposed to post Jude.
I don't know what a "Campbellite" is == as you can see that the post before Jude which we posted at the same time says - "more twisty twist from Mr. Twisty Sea Perch here for sure, because Ephesians 2 contradicts your Campbellite works/watered down salvation message!"
All I knew was that The Lord told me STOP at the Love part in Jude and reminded me of these verses - minus the one's from John's gospel now ...
1Jn 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
1Jn 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
1Jn 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
Hope we understand what He was saying and not me.
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Glad we didn't get that storm we were supposed to get - huh?
Praise God, I wasn't ready for anymore snow or chopping ice!Good tidings!!