Single and Facing Solicitation in a Walmart Parking Lot. What Would You Do?

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seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
May 23, 2009
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Hello everyone,

Today I went to run a few errands and as some of you know, I tend to park a bit of a distance from wherever I'm going in order to sneak in a little extra exercise. I had picked up a few groceries and was sitting in my car with the windows rolled down about an inch, answering a text from someone I hadn't heard from in a long time.

Right as I was finishing, I happened to glance up through the window, and lo and behold, a man about my age was standing there. As soon as I looked up, he held up a flyer and said, "Ma'am, would you..." Startled, I abruptly rolled up my windows (my doors were already locked--that's the first thing I do when I get into my car) and replied loudly through the window, "Please don't," and started my car. I had caught a few words of the flyer he'd been holding up--he was soliciting money for something like a kid's soccer team. I was not raised to be rude, but the older I get, the more blunt I become. And to tell you the truth, it made me pretty doggone angry.

One of the new challenges I'm facing in my life is living in an area where solicitations are literally everywhere. Despite being a small town, every corner has someone standing there with a sign and a hand out nearly touching your window. Regulars even fight over the "best" corners, two of which are located at the plaza where I work. If you gave to everyone, you would go broke within an hour, depending on how much money you have. I was giving out quarters to every Salvation Army ringer I saw in 2 hours of running errands and I'd already gone through $5 (which is a lot when I allow myself $20 in gas money each week.)

I have the privilege of knowing and regularly speaking with a social worker in this area who has told me much about the local homeless and panhandlers here. She told me that many do not want real help, and told me a story about handing out care packages to the local homeless. One man refused to accept it because it contained 3-blade razors and he said he only uses a very specific brand of 4-blade razors. I had found this type of behavior when I worked at a few soup kitchens as well--I was shocked at how many of our guests, who were receiving a FREE meal, complained that all we had was chicken and they wanted ribs.

I don't want to judge people, nor do I want to overlook those in need. But my personal preference is to give to an organization, rather than an individual who walks into my space and, quite frankly, makes me feel unsafe.

I went to college in a relatively "safe" area. But even there, one girl was kidnapped by gunpoint in a large shopping area I used to go to every week. My then-husband told me that from now on, I was to wait until he could go grocery shopping with me. Likewise, a girl was grabbed and nearly stuffed into a car in the parking lot of our favorite coffee shop hangout.

I struggle with myself over how best to help others... but protecting my own safety as well. I DO NOT like it when men I don't know approach me or my car AT ALL for ANY reason. Now if the guy was trying to tell me I had a flat tire, I would understand that. But when someone wants something... it always makes me afraid.

I'm certainly not trying to say I'm afraid of the world. I've flown to France by myself and spent entire days, from 8 in the morning until midnight, at crowded theme parks, by myself. And it's certainly not that I fear all men (though I just found out a former boss of mine was recently fired for sexual harassment, which was no surprise.) I am very blessed to have had wonderful, Godly men in my life who were true gentlemen. I actually get even more nervous when women try to solicit me because I've found they can be even bolder.

But there are certain situations in which, as a single woman, I do feel vulnerable. What have the rest of you experienced? Ladies, do you often feel scared for your own safety? Gentlemen, do you ever find yourself feeling leery in such situations, or do you feel pretty confident you can take care of yourself? If you knew your girlfriend or wife was approached in such a manner, how would you react?

The entire time this man was trying to talk to me, I kept thinking about the safety hammer and scissors I have in my car (I have them in case I were ever in an accident in which I had to break the glass or cut through my seat belt) and I would not have been afraid to pick them up and take a swing if he had tried to force his hand through the crack in my window before I had noticed. Yes, I realize the better thing would probably be to just start the car and drive away but when your mind starts to panic, it goes in all sorts of directions.

What do you think? Paranoia... or a natural sense of self-protection?
 

Lynx

Folksy yet erudite
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I live in a small town, with relatively small towns all around, so this kind of thing is unknown to me personally. The closest I've ever seen is when the kids of the local school's football team were on the corners at the town's one and only stop light soliciting donations, and it was so odd looking that people stared at them. And you'd better not try to snatch a girl from a parking lot because those people around you are her neighbors, they know her whole family and you'll be leading a whole caravan of followers down the road while their friends call the cops on you.

I have heard of this panhandling and generally unsafe urban environment though. I am definitely keeping myself down here in a small town.

What bugs me though, is that the people who are homeless by choice ruin it for the people who are truly in need. You can't give to everyone on every corner looking for a handout, and you can't magically divine who is truly in need, so those who really are destitute get lost in the background noise. That... bothers me.

About the people complaining that the razors were three-blade and the food was chicken, I'd say "Well bless your heart, hand it back and I'll give it to someone who really needs it."
 

Desdichado

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I've owned a gun for a few years now and the phrase "an armed society is a polite society" comes to mind.

Now that I know I have the power to defend in the most absolute way, I do not fear people. My lack of fear makes me calm and friendly in situations I would have run away in response to later on.

It sounds counter-intuitive, but if you want to rid yourself of that tension, up your arsenal.

Luke 22:36
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
May 23, 2009
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I have honestly considered this, seeing as I live in a state where carrying a gun on your hip is quite common.

To be completely honest though, I've never even held a gun and am a bit afraid of them. Maybe one day I'll come around.
 
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Susanna

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#5
I have honestly considered this, seeing as I live in a state where carrying a gun on your hip is quite common.

To be completely honest though, I've never even held a gun and am a bit afraid of them. Maybe one day I'll come around.
There's no need of being afraid of a gun. I'd be more afraid if only skunks were carrying them, but that is not the case...at least for so long...why don't you just get one and get somebody to teach you how to use it? My dad told me the best handgun is a revolver, because it will most likely not malfunction like a pistol sometimes will.
 
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There's no need of being afraid of a gun. I'd be more afraid if only skunks were carrying them, but that is not the case...at least for so long...why don't you just get one and get somebody to teach you how to use it? My dad told me the best handgun is a revolver, because it will most likely not malfunction like a pistol sometimes will.
 

JesusLives

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Oct 11, 2013
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I don't know about the gun thing and here is why.....someone who is threatening you could overpower you and take it away and now your gun is being used against you.....

My ex-husband was a police officer and taught me to take the palm of my hand and if ever threatened to make a fist and with the palm of my hand shove it up into the nose of my attacker as it will incapacitate them and if you have time kick them in the private area to further incapacitate them. However, the nose shove should be enough pain to put them out of commission at which point you run for help.

I was also told to yell fire as people would pay more attention to that than just help.....

Thankfully I have never had to do either, but guns are a little scary to me at least the part of being overpowered and it used against me...... My best weapon so far has been prayer. Praying for God's safety has worked so far for me. I do know that bad things happen to good people. I also know nothing is impossible with God and prayer does work too.
 
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DanielTate

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We have these people around here, I like to say hi to them, I like to give something if I have something to give, I don't ask where the money is gonna go, could be drugs or whatever. Nice to brighten up their day just a little. I try to think what it would be like to be that person.
 

Lynx

Folksy yet erudite
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Go get your gun
(na na nana, nana)
You don't gotta run
(na na nana, nana)

Sorry, this whole thread reminded me of an old song. Carry on.
 

Desdichado

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Feb 9, 2014
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I have honestly considered this, seeing as I live in a state where carrying a gun on your hip is quite common.

To be completely honest though, I've never even held a gun and am a bit afraid of them. Maybe one day I'll come around.
I was skittish about it too. I didn't grow up in a state where it was common at all. I had hardly held a gun and thought I would be useless without training.

So I took the plunge! I took this wonderful course in which I learned the duties and responsibilities of an armed citizen. The instructor then took me out of the classroom and showed me how to operate all sorts of handguns to the point that I had no fear.

Even if you never want to carry gun again, it's a good experience to have because it shows you what guns are- powerful tools. Not mystical killing machines.

That knowledge has probably saved my life more than once in the two years since.
 
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Hello everyone,

Today I went to run a few errands and as some of you know, I tend to park a bit of a distance from wherever I'm going in order to sneak in a little extra exercise. I had picked up a few groceries and was sitting in my car with the windows rolled down about an inch, answering a text from someone I hadn't heard from in a long time.

Right as I was finishing, I happened to glance up through the window, and lo and behold, a man about my age was standing there. As soon as I looked up, he held up a flyer and said, "Ma'am, would you..." Startled, I abruptly rolled up my windows (my doors were already locked--that's the first thing I do when I get into my car) and replied loudly through the window, "Please don't," and started my car. I had caught a few words of the flyer he'd been holding up--he was soliciting money for something like a kid's soccer team. I was not raised to be rude, but the older I get, the more blunt I become. And to tell you the truth, it made me pretty doggone angry.

One of the new challenges I'm facing in my life is living in an area where solicitations are literally everywhere. Despite being a small town, every corner has someone standing there with a sign and a hand out nearly touching your window. Regulars even fight over the "best" corners, two of which are located at the plaza where I work. If you gave to everyone, you would go broke within an hour, depending on how much money you have. I was giving out quarters to every Salvation Army ringer I saw in 2 hours of running errands and I'd already gone through $5 (which is a lot when I allow myself $20 in gas money each week.)

I have the privilege of knowing and regularly speaking with a social worker in this area who has told me much about the local homeless and panhandlers here. She told me that many do not want real help, and told me a story about handing out care packages to the local homeless. One man refused to accept it because it contained 3-blade razors and he said he only uses a very specific brand of 4-blade razors. I had found this type of behavior when I worked at a few soup kitchens as well--I was shocked at how many of our guests, who were receiving a FREE meal, complained that all we had was chicken and they wanted ribs.

I don't want to judge people, nor do I want to overlook those in need. But my personal preference is to give to an organization, rather than an individual who walks into my space and, quite frankly, makes me feel unsafe.

I went to college in a relatively "safe" area. But even there, one girl was kidnapped by gunpoint in a large shopping area I used to go to every week. My then-husband told me that from now on, I was to wait until he could go grocery shopping with me. Likewise, a girl was grabbed and nearly stuffed into a car in the parking lot of our favorite coffee shop hangout.

I struggle with myself over how best to help others... but protecting my own safety as well. I DO NOT like it when men I don't know approach me or my car AT ALL for ANY reason. Now if the guy was trying to tell me I had a flat tire, I would understand that. But when someone wants something... it always makes me afraid.

I'm certainly not trying to say I'm afraid of the world. I've flown to France by myself and spent entire days, from 8 in the morning until midnight, at crowded theme parks, by myself. And it's certainly not that I fear all men (though I just found out a former boss of mine was recently fired for sexual harassment, which was no surprise.) I am very blessed to have had wonderful, Godly men in my life who were true gentlemen. I actually get even more nervous when women try to solicit me because I've found they can be even bolder.

But there are certain situations in which, as a single woman, I do feel vulnerable. What have the rest of you experienced? Ladies, do you often feel scared for your own safety? Gentlemen, do you ever find yourself feeling leery in such situations, or do you feel pretty confident you can take care of yourself? If you knew your girlfriend or wife was approached in such a manner, how would you react?

The entire time this man was trying to talk to me, I kept thinking about the safety hammer and scissors I have in my car (I have them in case I were ever in an accident in which I had to break the glass or cut through my seat belt) and I would not have been afraid to pick them up and take a swing if he had tried to force his hand through the crack in my window before I had noticed. Yes, I realize the better thing would probably be to just start the car and drive away but when your mind starts to panic, it goes in all sorts of directions.

What do you think? Paranoia... or a natural sense of self-protection?
Seoul, I want you to know that I think you absolutely did the right thing. Protecting yourself comes first! You were in a very vulnerable situation.

I also have gotten more blunt with solicitors like that in public too. And I had a scary encounter myself.. There was one early morning when I was walking to my car at walmart after picking up a few things and I had parked a bit far and there wasn't anyone else in that area and about two rows down there was this very large tall man in a too-small t-shirt and shorts walking quickly towards me although he wasn't actually going that fast because his size hampered his speed, but he looked like he could probably wrestle a bear and he did not look happy at all. Maybe he was having car trouble or something, I don't know.

All I know is that I feared for my life, got in my car as quickly as possible, locked the door and got out of there. The scary thing is that he stopped coming as soon as I got into my car. Then he changed direction and was heading towards another man in the distance. He honestly looked like one of those huge football players that plays center. He probably just needed a jump start or something, but like I said, safety first!
 
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kenthomas27

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well lady, what i was tryin to tell you was you parked on my foot....

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jkalyna

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I am sorry for your experience. As believers, we stand out as a light, pure and innocent, something that other's lost, or never had. I had someone come up to me and said this, are you the person in that church, I watch you every Sunday, and you look so pretty, do you have a boyfriend, do you want to go out. I rebuked this later, but, I don't believe today churches should be aiming those comcast camereras on people who don't prefer it, I am one who absoluteley do not feel comfortable with it. He did not say a thing about the service, but was infatuated with the pretty girls there, almost like a taunt, and intimidation. This is very real, and it did happen. I try to give those camera people the gesture not to point it at us, as we are not an advertisement for some car dealership, or church either, to come here and visit. I noticed that those cameres do not go on the men. I am again being lead to look for another church, this is a applaing, and it could turn into stalking, as you cant' even dress pretty to go there, as your advertiseing your attire, and you jewerly even though it might cost 1 dollar, they don't know the difference. It is a very dangerous thing, to do and it is sexual harrassemt. Be carefull, don't sit with your windows down. Pleading the blood of our Loving savior over you, and praying for a church where there will be no advertisement thinking to telling the minister there, there have been some problems with that. I stay out of the world just to go to some church and have them bring me to the world, this is wronge and if it was in Jesus days, it would be a disgrace, and dishonor of how women being treated without honor, or permission. We are God's son's and daugthers, and we should be protected, not thrown to the pigs and wolves of the filth of those in the muck and the mire, and not in Christ. Thanking the Lord for your protection.
 
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jkalyna

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Seoul, I want you to know that I think you absolutely did the right thing. Protecting yourself comes first! You were in a very vulnerable situation.

I also have gotten more blunt with solicitors like that in public too. And I had a scary encounter myself.. There was one early morning when I was walking to my car at walmart after picking up a few things and I had parked a bit far and there wasn't anyone else in that area and about two rows down there was this very large tall man in a too-small t-shirt and shorts walking quickly towards me although he wasn't actually going that fast because his size hampered his speed, but he looked like he could probably wrestle a bear and he did not look happy at all. Maybe he was having car trouble or something, I don't know.

All I know is that I feared for my life, got in my car as quickly as possible, locked the door and got out of there. The scary thing is that he stopped coming as soon as I got into my car. Then he changed direction and was heading towards another man in the distance. He honestly looked like one of those huge football players that plays center. He probably just needed a jump start or something, but like I said, safety first!
WE have now video/audio glasses that have a memory chip and there is a way technically that I got advised on how to connect it live to your pc, or any pc, as you go it is downloaded live. This is one way, to be safe, the authorities need prove, this is one way. It's the same like sunglasses the authorities have, and they are very, very good.
 
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jkalyna

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If you look in the footnotes it is clear Jesus was carrying a Glock 27 for kicks.
Legally yes, but I live about an hours drive from Penn. and there you could buy all the arms you need, and what happens they are sold on the streets, in Newark for double the price. The good news is, things are going into 1st gear, all the way to high milage, figure that out, before it is someone will be caught, we got a new Police Chief, and he vowed to protect this town, and with prayers, this is exactly what is going to be done. Believe, prayer sees beyond our eyes, it is a living thing, taken on by the HOly Spirit, unto conviction, and destruction of the strongholds.
 
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jkalyna

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I don't know about the gun thing and here is why.....someone who is threatening you could overpower you and take it away and now your gun is being used against you.....

My ex-husband was a police officer and taught me to take the palm of my hand and if ever threatened to make a fist and with the palm of my hand shove it up into the nose of my attacker as it will incapacitate them and if you have time kick them in the private area to further incapacitate them. However, the nose shove should be enough pain to put them out of commission at which point you run for help.

I was also told to yell fire as people would pay more attention to that than just help.....

Thankfully I have never had to do either, but guns are a little scary to me at least the part of being overpowered and it used against me...... My best weapon so far has been prayer. Praying for God's safety has worked so far for me. I do know that bad things happen to good people. I also know nothing is impossible with God and prayer does work too.
A agree with you about prayer. We praye every day before leaving. God is able to cause those who are a threat to die instantly of anything. Or be caught. A story of a minister who wanted to build a church and the town mayor said, no for the traffic would be to much, he said, he wanted to build the church, he came back 2 weeks later, and that town mayor died of a sudden heart attack. The other mayor said, no problem;it was built. God sees all the wicked, he is angry with them everyday it says, it says, that "wicked one toucheth him not." John 17 Jesus God's son prayed, Father keep them from the evil one." Evil people" I believe that with the name of Jesus and his power, death, would come to the destroyer, instantly, without a weapon, for it says "life and death are in the power of the word." It has happened once before, and the word goes forth, in Jesus name, it is the final blow to the enemey.
 
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jkalyna

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There's no need of being afraid of a gun. I'd be more afraid if only skunks were carrying them, but that is not the case...at least for so long...why don't you just get one and get somebody to teach you how to use it? My dad told me the best handgun is a revolver, because it will most likely not malfunction like a pistol sometimes will.
Those who make a pit for someone will fall into it themselves. " This is the word of God. Remember a few months ago, a bus driver was doing something on the outside of his bus, when a thug shot 2 bullets trying to kill him. The thug is is prison for attmepted murder, for life, and the bus driver is home happy with his family, those 2 bullets were impeded into the pocket bible he was wearing and not one, but two of them are in the hands of the power of the Word. The holy bible saved him. There is a way that seemeth right unto a man but the way is death." bible verse. I don't k'now if people like to be encarcerated for life, or for even a while, there are demon possessed people there, and most don't come out alive. It is a taste of the hell that there tasting that if not repented will taste for not a life time but for ever, toruture, and torment of their spirit. "for what so ever a man sows he will reap. Many are afraid of love, they don't know what it is. God is love, evil will destroy you, and your loved ones, wipe you out like a wave and there will be no ressurrection from the death, only Christ, is able.