Casting Stones !!!

[Brainfreeze]

Well I apologize for creating confusion on the term, you should remember I am not a native English speaker, when I say painkiller I mean a regular medicine, not heavy addictive drugs for terminal illnesses. Ibuprofen and such is all I take and would take (and which is only legal, man). I hate any manmade chemistry so I really refuse to take any of such unless I must. And it is not like I take it too often. It would just harm me if I did so.

Regarding the movies, I said in the original post I dont watch them but I would watch it if it had a godly message (truly rare are those who do!), not as well they are written (as you misquote me). I consider artistic skill garbage if it is not used for the love of good. I have burned my own writings/poems from the unbeliever times because it was not for God and my work on this is my best witness. You are adding stuff to me I simply did NOT say.

Regarding the third thing, I did not even comment on that thread...! I only liked the post recommending a poster to evangelize people around him! I was not led to condemn someone who is doing card and coin tricks to entertain friends... as this is not contact with demons in intself, so I did not even post on there and you come saying I condone magic on there...? That is a bit outstretched...

And I dislike that you are really misquoting and twisting my words in your posts.

Magic is magic,..fake,false, farce, illusions, trickery, sorcery, is just that... " fantasy land " .. Magicians make one believe something that is not real, then to come behind a joke or trick and tell people how real God is ? They glorify themselves " in magic " .. not God... As for pain killers, people get prescribed real opiates for " the same pain " you stated right here in the states.. Now for horror films, I'm not going to look up the exact post but to even say a horror film is " good or ok " to watch because it had some good parts in it, is not ok. Horror movies are just that ... Horror flicks, " for scaring and fear ". You should be more descriptive instead of generalizing statements as these, com'on sister, this isn't right.

apology noted and I appreciate that, as I'm sure others would as well. I'm sorry as well for taking general statements like painkillers and thinking it was a different kind ..

 

[kennethcadwell]

O, so it's ok to do cocaine if the doctor prescribes it ? They used to have it in cold drinks ... Why not then ? O, watching children get slaughtered on a horror flick is ok ? Is it ok I go talk to false spirits ? If it's just for fun ? Is it ok to jam a gun in someone's face just for fun, or steal and so fourth ? Com' on... None of this is ok... Following the word of God and Holy Spirit is joyful not doing magic and watching horror films...

You are taking things way out of context.
If you feel these things like watching horror movies or taking medicine are wrong and effect you as such, then by all means stay away from them.
Some do not see it that way, and are not brought under control by them. They watch the movies for fun, and they take the medicine for actual elements/diseases. God created some to become doctors, they are not sorcerer's and medicine being sorcery like some over righteous people claim. The bible states that being over righteous is a bad thing to be to, for you put stumbling blocks on people that do not need be there.
To compare however watching horror movies to pointing a gun in a person's face, stealing, or other similar bad acts is a bad comparison. If you are going to do that, then you might as well tell others including yourself to get rid of your computers and cell phones for they are idols, and you are idol worshiping.
The bible also says this about doing things, it is not wrong unless it controls you;

1 Corinthians 6:12
All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.


1 Corinthians 10:23
All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify.

 

[Brainfreeze]

So what Jim Jones did was lawful... Mass suicide is lawful to Christ ? Is that what your saying ? It goes against the Great Commandments, love God and love your neighbor.


if you read the verse right before in Corinthians 10:21 this is what it says...


. 21Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. 22Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?

I would be careful on how you interpret that scripture brother..

 

[kennethcadwell]

So what Jim Jones did was lawful... Mass suicide is lawful to Christ ? Is that what your saying ? It goes against the Great Commandments, love God and love your neighbor.


if you read the verse right before in Corinthians 10:21 this is what it says...


. 21Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. 22Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?

I would be careful on how you interpret that scripture brother..

I am careful at how I interpret scripture, and the thing that Jesus and His apostles tried to make a point is that we have the right to live our lives as long as we don't become a slave to sinful ways. One is not a slave if they just watch a certain movie for fun, or listen to certain music for fun. It becomes a sin if you watch or listen to these things and take them seriously and then carry out the same actions we saw or heard in our lives. If we don't do those same things because we know better, and have complete control over our own actions then we have not sinned.
Like I said if you can't control yourself then yes you should abstain from watching and listening to them, but you are not to force those same stumbling blocks on others who can control themselves. Lord Jesus said not to put stumbling blocks on others. Being a partaker means you do the same sin, not watch others commit one. Else wise Mary, and the apostles that watched as Jesus was crucified was just as guilty and sinful as the Romans who carried it out, this is not so.

And once again you can not compare watching a movie to a man who murders others.......

 

[Brainfreeze]

I am careful at how I interpret scripture, and the thing that Jesus and His apostles tried to make a point is that we have the right to live our lives as long as we don't become a slave to sinful ways. One is not a slave if they just watch a certain movie for fun, or listen to certain music for fun. It becomes a sin if you watch or listen to these things and take them seriously and then carry out the same actions we saw or heard in our lives. If we don't do those same things because we know better, and have complete control over our own actions then we have not sinned.
Like I said if you can't control yourself then yes you should abstain from watching and listening to them, but you are not to force those same stumbling blocks on others who can control themselves. Lord Jesus said not to put stumbling blocks on others. Being a partaker means you do the same sin, not watch others commit one. Else wise Mary, and the apostles that watched as Jesus was crucified was just as guilty and sinful as the Romans who carried it out, this is not so.

And once again you can not compare watching a movie to a man who murders others.......

8Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. 9Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

As for putting a stumbling block in another's way, that's exactly what your saying to do. Listen to and watch garbage just don't let the garbage control you ?? Would Yahshua sit down and do it with you ?

As for Jones... Wasn't there so I don't know, murdered or not, hear it was a " ploy " by secret agencies, some evidence points to it..I do know at his church in San Fran ... they drank the kool-aide not knowing if it would kill them or not " a test "...they did it willfully as their leader " suggested them to do so ". I'm sure he did have the " leaders " murder children with poison in syringes, but I'm sure some willfully " drank ". Either way... It's not lawful to God

 

[kennethcadwell]

8Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. 9Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

As for putting a stumbling block in another's way, that's exactly what your saying to do. Listen to and watch garbage just don't let the garbage control you ?? Would Yahshua sit down and do it with you ?

As for Jones... Wasn't there so I don't know, murdered or not, hear it was a " ploy " by secret agencies, some evidence points to it..I do know at his church in San Fran ... they drank the kool-aide not knowing if it would kill them or not " a test "...they did it willfully as their leader " suggested them to do so ". I'm sure he did have the " leaders " murder children with poison in syringes, but I'm sure some willfully " drank ". Either way... It's not lawful to God

Did Jesus only sit with believers, or did He go into and sit with unbelievers and some of the worst people known at that time. Jesus came to sinners, not to the just. He sat with them and preached to them, but did not let those sins they did influence Him to do the same. This is the point that I was trying to make is that if you can watch a horror movie, and it does not influence you to do wrong then you are not in sin.
I am not putting a stumbling block in front of others, for I tell them that have no self-control not to watch, but if you do have self-control then who is to tell you no. It is only those who want to enforce the same rules on the weak on those who can withstand.
Just like with pork, there are some out there that believe we still can't eat pork. But others who truly go by the NT know we can eat whatever we want now, so it would not be proper for those who don't eat it to force others to not eat it to. But some will do this and claim you are not saved and sinning if you eat pork....This is a stumbling block.

 

[Brainfreeze]

Did Jesus only sit with believers, or did He go into and sit with unbelievers and some of the worst people known at that time. Jesus came to sinners, not to the just. He sat with them and preached to them, but did not let those sins they did influence Him to do the same. This is the point that I was trying to make is that if you can watch a horror movie, and it does not influence you to do wrong then you are not in sin.
I am not putting a stumbling block in front of others, for I tell them that have no self-control not to watch, but if you do have self-control then who is to tell you no. It is only those who want to enforce the same rules on the weak on those who can withstand.
Just like with pork, there are some out there that believe we still can't eat pork. But others who truly go by the NT know we can eat whatever we want now, so it would not be proper for those who don't eat it to force others to not eat it to. But some will do this and claim you are not saved and sinning if you eat pork....This is a stumbling block.

We are not talking about unbelieving sinners here... We are talking about saved christians, why would you be telling saved christians to listen to and watch garbage ? The question is would God want us doing that ? We are not like the rest of the world, we do not do what they do, so why are you trying to make it sound ok to listen to murderers music or murderers movies ? " for fun " Would Yahshua tell people to do this ? ... Gods will be done brother... not ours

 

[kennethcadwell]

We are not talking about unbelieving sinners here... We are talking about saved christians, why would you be telling saved christians to listen to and watch garbage ? The question is would God want us doing that ? We are not like the rest of the world, we do not do what they do, so why are you trying to make it sound ok to listen to murderers music or murderers movies ? " for fun " Would Yahshua tell people to do this ? ... Gods will be done brother... not ours

That is right we are not like the rest, because we are not brought under the power of sin anymore.
I am telling anybody they should watch this. What I said is if you as a believer can watch a horror movie, and not be brought under the power to follow the same thing you see in the movie. Then it will not cause you not to have salvation.
If however it causes you a problem in spiritual growth, and you don't have self-control then by all means stay away from it and not watch it.
Do not hold what you and another may have issues with on others who can handle it, and watch it just for fun and do not live by those things....
Yes God's will be done, not ours, but even He said under the new covenant we are under to enjoy and have fun in life, living in love, forgiveness, and mercy toward others. If you can watch these movies, and still live in love for everybody then their is no issue for it is not hindering your spiritual growth.

To many people focus only on the bad aspects of things, and want to force their ways on others instead of showing love.
The Pharisees even got rebuked by Jesus for forcing laws and punishments on people, instead of showing love and mercy.

 

[Brainfreeze]

That is right we are not like the rest, because we are not brought under the power of sin anymore.
I am telling anybody they should watch this. What I said is if you as a believer can watch a horror movie, and not be brought under the power to follow the same thing you see in the movie. Then it will not cause you not to have salvation.
If however it causes you a problem in spiritual growth, and you don't have self-control then by all means stay away from it and not watch it.
Do not hold what you and another may have issues with on others who can handle it, and watch it just for fun and do not live by those things....
Yes God's will be done, not ours, but even He said under the new covenant we are under to enjoy and have fun in life, living in love, forgiveness, and mercy toward others. If you can watch these movies, and still live in love for everybody then their is no issue for it is not hindering your spiritual growth.

To many people focus only on the bad aspects of things, and want to force their ways on others instead of showing love.
The Pharisees even got rebuked by Jesus for forcing laws and punishments on people, instead of showing love and mercy.

According to Glenn Sparks, a professor of communication at Purdue University, the physical reactions to horrifying images include sweaty palms, tense muscles, a drop of several degrees in skin temperature, a spike in blood pressure and an increase in heart rate of up to 15 beats per minute. Those are some pretty incredible changes considering you're simply sitting still viewing images. But what about possible mental effects? The area in our brain that plays a large part in regulating emotions can be permanently imprinted by fear.


In fact, Joanne Cantor, PhD, director of the Center for Communication Research at University of Wisconsin, believes that allowing children under the age of 14 to watch scary movies may cause them to have a lifelong irrational fear. Children are impressionable and have a much harder time differentiating between real and imagined threats. Most phobias adults have are believed to be direct results of a traumatizing experience (including a scary movie) had as a child.




…2And He called a child to Himself and set him before them, 3and said, "Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

[jeff_peacemkr]

this may be with motives thought to be good, but it looks like trying to change the leaves on an apple tree to be like leaves on a fig tree without changing the root, trunk and branches of the tree.

the ekklesia in china, threatened with imprisonment if they speak out loud in open or in private about Jesus,
have seen this for a long long time.
likewise the ekklesia in africa, so poor they may not own shoes - they see clearly the kind of 'tree' that grows in the usa.
(and they've said so, and pray for the usa, and for a while anyway tried to send missionaries to the usa to 'save' who they could in Christ Jesus).
likewise persecuted brethren in russia. (also called the underground church).

sorry.

We live in a day and age where we should no better by the example that our Lord Jesus Christ gave to us, but unfortunately on a every day basis I see fellow Christians still casting stones at others. Making life and death judgment calls on others lives for sins they commit, being condemning instead of edifying, name calling, making false claims toward others, claiming others have said things they haven't trying to make the other look bad, and showing a hateful attitude toward fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.
Lord Jesus said he who is without sin cast the first stone. None of us are without sin, so we have no right casting these stones at each other.

I would love to see in the Christian community for all this casting of stones to stop, but it all has to start somewhere.
So my prayer to God in the name of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and request to all my fellow brothers and sisters here on CC to try and go the rest of this month without casting a stone toward another. Let's try to see if we can make it one month with just love and understanding, without hatred or condemnation coming from our mouths toward others. And if you do show hatred or condemnation toward another, or cast a stone. I would love to see an apology thread started so that we if any of us slip can make an apology to the other.

God bless

 

[kennethcadwell]

this may be with motives thought to be good, but it looks like trying to change the leaves on an apple tree to be like leaves on a fig tree without changing the root, trunk and branches of the tree.

the ekklesia in china, threatened with imprisonment if they speak out loud in open or in private about Jesus,
have seen this for a long long time.
likewise the ekklesia in africa, so poor they may not own shoes - they see clearly the kind of 'tree' that grows in the usa.
(and they've said so, and pray for the usa, and for a while anyway tried to send missionaries to the usa to 'save' who they could in Christ Jesus).
likewise persecuted brethren in russia. (also called the underground church).

sorry.

Yes Christians are being persecuted in a lot of places around the world, yet we have Christians here so relaxed and caught up in their comfortable lives not lifting a finger to help others. Instead they want to put down others, or cast stones at them trying to make them out to be better.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Once again I have to say this for the bad mouthing, name calling, and hateful condemning attitudes of some on this site are still happening toward others who do not see eye to eye with them. They completely misuse the meaning of rebuking another, and misuse the fact of Jesus calling the pharisees hypocrites and Paul rebuking Paul for forcing Jewish traditions on gentiles that were not to be done. They use those examples wrongly to bad mouth, call names, and use a condemning nature toward them just because they don't agree with them. Trying to say they are justly using the rebuking tactics which they are not.
I completely apologize to anybody who thinks that I have wronged them in any way, because I can get very emotional when it comes to defending our Lord and Saviors teachings and commands.
Whenever somebody calls me a false teacher, or headed for condemnation just for posting what our Lord said sets me off.
I will defend every word He said tell the day I die in the flesh !!!

 

[jeff_peacemkr]

people/mankind/society is no better than it was in 50 a.d. it has gotten a lot worse since then. not better.
(to get to the point of being true living stones in Christ Jesus): tangent clarifier : was martin luther or the other reformers wrong for preaching the truth against the rcc abomination that destroys mens souls and kills their bodies daily ?

We live in a day and age where we should no better by the example that our Lord Jesus Christ gave to us, but unfortunately on a every day basis I see fellow Christians still casting stones at others. .....
I would love to see in the Christian community for all this casting of stones to stop,......

Yes Christians are being persecuted in a lot of places around the world, yet we have Christians here so relaxed and caught up in their comfortable lives not lifting a finger to help others. Instead they want to put down others, or cast stones at them trying to make them out to be better.

 

[kennethcadwell]

people/mankind/society is no better than it was in 50 a.d. it has gotten a lot worse since then. not better.
(to get to the point of being true living stones in Christ Jesus): tangent clarifier : was martin luther or the other reformers wrong for preaching the truth against the rcc abomination that destroys mens souls and kills their bodies daily ?

Preaching against the usage of placing other mere mortal humans in the place of Christ is not wrong.
However there is a difference in saying one is not a true child of Christ. If they still place their faith in Him, and obey Him in their heart by the love we have for Him. Then they are just as saved as you and me.
Just because they may do some extra things we may not like, and know not necessary does not make them less of a person in Christ then us.
If they show nothing but hatred for others, as some do then we know where their heart is for the bible says you can not hate your brother and love Him to. So that works both ways, if we show them hatred back then we can not say we love Him either.

 

[jeff_peacemkr]

believers in / from other countries have pointed out clearly, as they all can see clearly, that in the usa is just about the hardest place to 'know' who is a true believer and who is fake. this is recognized the same way martin luther recognized the frauds and so on; and peter, stephen, and john.
there is no hatred in them except hating , for example, sin that God hates and loving what God loves.

the very big deception from the enemy of Christ church, the rcc, is ecumenicalism/and that sort of ilk. they cannot recognize the truth even if Jesus was standing right in from of them. but the believers , like those named, may , as God reveals what He wants to to His ekklesia. it is not even close to throwing stones to preach and teach and tell the truth like the apostles and the prophets and the waiters on tables and the fisherman called and chosen by God did - not taking part in the deeds of darkness, but rather exposing them. this is part and parcel with all the Gospel of Jesus.

yes. do not throw stones.
yes. do not take part in the deeds of darkness.
yes. rather expose them.
yes. let "EVERY WORD" and "DEED" be as from the Father in heaven... abiding in Him and His Word abiding(staying in and with and through all times) in you. LIFE!

every Word of God, not pick and choose. do as God says, clearly, every day.

 

[kennethcadwell]

The next thing that I would like to throw in and talk about when it comes to casting stones, is learning discernment.
Take time my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ to make the discernment on somebody on rather they are a sheep in wolves clothing or if they are just another member in Christ that mistakes from time to time.
I don't care if you have two months of studying under your belt, or you have 20 or more years of studying under your belt.
I have seen the most educated members in scripture make errors in understanding and misquoting scriptures, as the less educated or new members to the faith.
Take correction, and/or look into what others are telling you, especially if 4 or more people are saying the same thing to you. Before you lay into them, call them names, false prophets, false teachers, and so on......

Last of all I pray to God, that Paulinians would stand up and realize by Paul's own words that Paul does not teach a different gospel, different Jesus, or more truth then the Lord Jesus already taught. He just confirmed to the gentiles what Jesus taught.