Does Acts 2:38 mean we have to be baptized to get into Heaven? -Debate

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It is strange to me that this conversation comes up as often as it does and the same results are stated. What did Jesus say, Mark 16:15-16 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
These seem to be the ingredients given by Jesus. When looking at all the other passages of scripture we cannot discount this one to say the others are right. Also when reading the book of ACTS what happened to the people after they believed (they got baptized). So rather if it is linked to salvation or not because Jesus gave this as a command for believing there is no need to question if we are not baptized can you still be saved.

Jesus said "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved"

So it should not be considered just a random event that we find:


"But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women."

"Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, "

 
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Your blindness is amazing.....JAMES SPEAKS of A MAN BEING ABLE TO SEE YOUR FAITH.......WOW!
Go back and reread the whole book, for he starts off saying the same thing Jesus pretty much said in Matthew 25.
James 2 says if you see a person who is naked and hungry ( in other words a person in need ) and you refuse to help them, then your faith means nothing and will not lead to salvation because it is a dead faith.
He is also saying the same thing Jesus said that if you deny to help others, you have denied Him. And if you deny Him you go to eternal punishment, not eternal life.....
 
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Go back and reread the whole book, for he starts off saying the same thing Jesus pretty much said in Matthew 25.
James 2 says if you see a person who is naked and hungry ( in other words a person in need ) and you refuse to help them, then your faith means nothing and will not lead to salvation because it is a dead faith.
He is also saying the same thing Jesus said that if you deny to help others, you have denied Him. And if you deny Him you go to eternal punishment, not eternal life.....
I have read and studied the whole book numerous times......not going to argue with you...you trust water and works over Jesus and faith good luck with your works plus faith gospel of a different kind.....Galatians 1 and 3!
 
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Well if you believe that, then try to explain to me why Dconn constantly debates with me when I say one who believes in Jesus will be a hearer and a doer, and not just a hearer only.

That is what I keep saying is that Jesus clearly says a believer will be one who is a hearer and doer, and not just a hearer. A hearer only the bible says will fall, be beaten, appointed to the lake of fire, and their ruin will be great.
He knows exactly what I believe and teach which you still cannot grasp..here I will spell it out for you again...

The Bible--> FAITH into JESUS alone saves eternally--->will produce work or works, fruit or pieces of fruit!
You-->Faith+water+works saves and can be lost

Yours is a gospel of HETEROS (A different kind), has no power and is double cursed to hell<---Galatians 1,3
 
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And as Moses lifted u the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:16<--no water believeth in him should not perish but is having everlasting life
John 3:18<--no water believeth on him is NOT CONDEMNED
John 3:36<--No water Believeth on the SON hath everlasting life
John 6:47<--No water He that believeth on me hath everlasting life
John 11:25<--No water You believe though you WERE dead , yet shall you live
John 11:26<--No Water Whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall NEVER DIE
Romans 1:16<--No water The power of God unto salvation the gospel unto everyone that BLIEVETH
Romans 10:9-10 NO water Believe, CONFESS=SAVED
1st John 5:1 NO water Believe that Jesus is the Christ is BORN OF GOD
Ephesians 2:8-10 NO water Saved out of FAITH not of your selves or WORKS
Titus 3:5 No water according to his MERCY he SAVED US by the washing of regeneration by the WORD
FAITH cometh by HEARING and HEARING by the WORD OF GOD<---NO WATER

Doesn't matter though as you will not humble yourself and admit the truth or you will explain these away and or add to the verses water and works as you cannot get past your own blindness to the scripture which is tragic and sad.

None of these verses omit water, so your use of scripture is flawed.
They all talk about believing in the Lord, and I have already showed how believing in Him consists of being a doer of what He said. And He commanded baptism.......
Titus 3:5 does not say washing of regeneration by the word, you added that last part.
It says washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit. No by the word is in that, but if you want to throw that in that is fine with me, because the Word ( Jesus ) says to be baptized.
 
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None of these verses omit water, so your use of scripture is flawed.
They all talk about believing in the Lord, and I have already showed how believing in Him consists of being a doer of what He said. And He commanded baptism.......
Titus 3:5 does not say washing of regeneration by the word, you added that last part.
It says washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit. No by the word is in that, but if you want to throw that in that is fine with me, because the Word ( Jesus ) says to be baptized.
Your blind as they all omit water!

And my Titus 3:5 with use of word is good and based upon Ephesians 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water BY THE WORD
 
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He knows exactly what I believe and teach which you still cannot grasp..here I will spell it out for you again...

The Bible--> FAITH into JESUS alone saves eternally--->will produce work or works, fruit or pieces of fruit!
You-->Faith+water+works saves and can be lost

Yours is a gospel of HETEROS (A different kind), has no power and is double cursed to hell<---Galatians 1,3

We are saying the same thing, the problem is that if you was to take your second half of producing works and cancel that part out and disobey what the Lord said do your own thing will you still be saved ?
No you would not. If you return to a life of willful sin, which would be disobeying the Lord then you will not have salvation. And Paul points this clearly out, for he constantly warns believers ​of not falling back to serving sin.
 
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If you say a person who has Faith in Jesus and dies without being baptized goes to hell. You deny justification by faith, which he Bible clearly teaches.
 
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I have read and studied the whole book numerous times......not going to argue with you...you trust water and works over Jesus and faith good luck with your works plus faith gospel of a different kind.....Galatians 1 and 3!

I trust what our Lord Jesus Christ said, not any man who wants to take away from His teachings.

If He says that you have to help others in need, and if you deny them that help then you have denied Him. And you will be sent to eternal punishment instead of eternal life. I take that literally, for it falls under the second command to love your neighbor as yourself.
Out of love and respect for Him, you will want to do the things He said. If you don't do the things He says, that shows a clear disrespect and lack of love for Him.
 

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the Ye shall recieve is plural.

looks like you need some schooling, the gift of the Holy Spirit is just one thing, of course it would be singular.

again, you need to go back to school, to think you could not figure this out. or else your so blinded by your doctrine, easy simple things are to complex for yu to understand.
Dude, you have no clue, you cannot understand (or wont because it goes against your man made doctrine) Acts 2:38 and it is so simple, the Greek says exactly what the English does, "Repent all of you" and "Be baptized every one of you".

It is no different if I had a job for my workers and I said to them, "I have a Job for all of you, each one of you bring your tools"...

Read your bible, don't twist it.
 
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Some Christians need a framework to put into place all the religious statements they profess, everything must fit into their beliefs, it must make sense to their carnal minds, they make lists of cross-references to support their personal beliefs in a system, they create their own human religious practices, they make Bible statements and holy laws their religion, they make themselves accountable to lists of requirements:
Resist the devil!
Be baptized!
Cleanse your hands!
Purify your hearts!
Work out your salvation!
Fast, tithe, pray without ceasing, turn from your wicked ways, forgive, repent!
REPENT AND SIN NO MORE OR YOU WILL BE DAMNED TO HELL!

Whereas one might say: I need gas in my car in order to drive.
That man is not blind to simple truth.
Another might say: I don’t have gas in my car so I am unworthy and am forbidden to drive unless I get some gas!
This man is blind to simple truth and is condemning himself.

Are you stating the truth or are you under condemnation?

We go back & forth with statements from the Bible like a ping-pong ball in our head.
Are you sure of your salvation in Christ? Do you have enough Scriptures to validate your assurance?

Or have you entered into the rest of Jesus Christ by the miracle of grace?
Jesus has made you enter into His faith by His blood and you can know that this is true because God Himself is working out His purposes through you. There is fruit. You were blind, now you see. You were in bondage, now you are free. You had fear, now you love. You were anxious, now you have peace. You were a slave to law, now you have assurance in Jesus Christ. The Lord Himself is the Author & Finisher of the faith in you. You have entered into His rest. You have ceased from your own works.
What is the essence of your faith? Is it Jesus Christ alone? What is your attitude? Is it freedom and peace or is it works and law?
“Not of works, less any man should boast.” Are you boasting about anything you are doing? Are you validating your own holiness?
John 3:16 – the context of this Scripture is:
"Lord, there’s nothing in me that’s able to live holy! I have tried and tried and keep failing! I need You!"
The blind man was asked how Jesus gave him sight and he answered, “I do not know! It was a miracle. I was blind and now I see!” It just happened and it could not be explained.

Something miraculous happened.
How did Jesus give you sight?
“I was blind, now I see.”
“I did not believe, now I do!”
“I could not obey, now I do!”
“I was striving, now I’m resting!”
"I was afraid, now I know nothing can separate me from the love of God in Christ Jesus!"
"I doubted, now I trust Him!"


John 9:39
Jesus said to the Pharisees – “If you were blind, you would have no sin. Because you say you do see, so it proves your sin remains.”
These so-called enlightened ones who were in blindness professed they were the seeing ones, and that testified to Jesus that they did not see. They set up their own holy standards using Scripture and did not see that Jesus was God. They were their own gods using Scripture to validate their own system of beliefs.

Jesus came to shine Light on those condemned in their own darkness.
This is the judgment/condemnation/damnation – that the Light (Jesus) has come into the world and men loved darkness (their own blind beliefs) rather than Light (Jesus, the Truth) because their deeds are evil. Doing things in order to appear good and holy resists the Truth of Jesus Christ.

There is an operative darkness going on in the Christian realm. Many Christians need to be an agreement according to the flesh, they try to find others who agree with them to validate their belief system. They will vehemently attack those whose beliefs threaten to tear their religious system down.

The flesh wants to understand, the flesh wants some control, the flesh needs validation that they are doing something right. Otherwise, they will be condemned or damned. All their Scripture references make them more right than somebody else who believes differently. But it is impossible for the carnal mind to submit to God.The carnal mind will never be in agreement with the Spirit of Jesus Christ.

Those who believe in Jesus do not need an explanation. All they know is once they were blind, and now they see. It was a miracle that cannot be explained. They saw Jesus and it became a simple miracle of grace. They saw only that Jesus is Almighty God.

“I once was damned to hell (condemnation) and now I am entered into God’s kingdom (grace)!”

But he who practices the truth, comes to the Light that his deeds might be exposed.

Carnal man hates the Light because he knows that if he is exposed by God, he will come up short. We each within ourselves know the secrets we try to hide, the sinfulness of the flesh we are too humiliated to reveal. So some do things (works, obey laws) in order to validate that they are now obedient and holy before God.
A man lives under damnation when he is afraid to be exposed by God. He is living in fear of abandoning his belief system because he doesn’t see the miracle of grace through Jesus Christ. He does not understand that God is in control and man continues to try to validate himself with works and adherence to regulations.

This is the damnation – “I will be condemned to hell if I am not able to be perfect. So I will deny I am blind and instead will find Scriptures to support that what I do now makes me acceptable to God.”
This man lives in fear of displeasing and of being rejected by God.

This is the reality of grace - “I was condemned to hell and now I have entrance into the Kingdom of God!” Why? Because of the miracle of grace through Jesus Christ! No explanation. Just truth.

Nobody is able to judge you more harshly than you judge yourself. Your own heart condemns you when you say, “I must do this and that to please God!” You damn yourself to the law.

There is something that will fill us up, a completeness, a rest, a perfect peace, and that is Jesus Christ. John 3:16 is a miracle!
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

God loves you so much that He sent Jesus Christ His Son to die on the Cross that if you would just trust Him, you would see He will never condemn you but has given you eternal life BY HIS SPIRIT WITHIN YOU! You will never be separated from God! Nothing will ever separate you from God because the Spirit of Jesus Christ reigns in you. It is a miracle of grace! There is no other explanation. It defies human understanding.

God saved you from your worst enemy – YOU!
I am (the old man) crucified with Christ Jesus, nevertheless I am alive, not the old me, but Christ Jesus lives in me, and the life I am living now in this present body I am living through the faith of the Son of God who loves me and gave Himself for me!

So does grace give us liberty to sin? No, God forbids that. God the Father won’t allow you to sin willfully because He will chastise you in love and correct you. You no longer have to fear punishment by God because Jesus took the punishment for you. If you fall, He will pick you up. If you start to condemn yourself again, Jesus will be your Attorney (your Advocate) and prove your innocence by His payment on the Cross. The Lord will renew your mind and make righteousness more desirable to you than evil. He will teach you that sin drags you back to that mindset of death and shame. God will teach you to dislike evil. The Lord will complete what He started in you. God will finish his work in you and you can trust in Him to do it.

The old man being judged vs those who stand in the light
Whatever is not of faith – is that my choice? Grace makes us free not only form our own judgment but free from the judgment of others. We are all parts of one Body (Christ), we are all weak in some areas, we are all strong in some areas, some more mature than others, some are brand new babes. We all have various likes and dislikes, we all have various talents, we all have different life & family situations. Don’t compare yourselves to one another and judge those who are different than you. If someone isn’t doing exactly what you are, the grace of God makes us one body anyway.

The reality of the grace of Jesus Christ is this: one brother celebrates this, this sister does not eat that, another sister dances to this music, that brother does not want to follow any traditions.
Happy is the one who doesn’t condemn himself/herself in what they approve. Jesus set us free to partake of life in the way He created us without fear of condemnation. Accept each other in the love of Christ.

The man who is in fear keeps asking himself, “Am I sinning? Am I sinning?” His heart is condemning him. He is afraid he will displease God and will push an agenda, condemning others with the thing he is condemning himself to. Jesus died to set this man free from his judgment upon himself.

We are all in this thing together. The Light, Jesus Christ, is a Living thing. He is the Vine, we are the branches. Jesus is working through us and producing the fruit. All we need to do is rest in that reality and be glad that we are one with Him.
 
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If you say a person who has Faith in Jesus and dies without being baptized goes to hell. You deny justification by faith, which he Bible clearly teaches.

The thing you have to ask first, is did that person have time to be baptized, or did they not have time for they died immediately after repentance? We believe that Jesus will have mercy on who He will have mercy on because He know the heart. However we also believe in what Paul said, that just because we are under grace you are not to use that liberty as a free will to sin.........
Disobeying a direct command from the Lord is a sin, and disobedience is classified as a sin of unbelief in the bible.
Unbelief is stated clearly that there is no salvation for those who purposely disobey Him.
 
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The "What Did Jesus Say" approach, often is erroneous, as it supposes that the sayings of Jesus in the gospels are somehow superior to the rest of scripture or that the rest of scripture is not also the Word of Christ.
Jesus said he that believeth AND is baptized, The conjunction "AND" makes belief and baptism of equal importance and necessity to being saved.
Jesus said to repent or perish, Lk 13:3,5 which makes repentance of equal importance and necessity to salvation as belief and baptism.
Jesus said one must confess Him or be denied before God making confession of equal importance and necessity as belief and baptism.

So the issue is how can one try to strip away the equal importance and necessity of repentance, confession and baptism by just reading verses that speak about belief while ignoring verses that speak about repentance confession and baptism?


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The Lord Jesus said many things, of which this is the only one that has baptized & saved in the same verse. Logically speaking, the form is
If A & B then C. (if believe & baptized then saved).
If not A, then not C (if not believe, then not saved).

You cannot deduce from that:
If not B, then not C. That is simply a logical fallacy.

Moreover, water is not mentioned.
Spirit Baptism is salvific.

But the only essential for salvation is believe (have faith, trust in the Lord Jesus).
Jesus said he "believes AND be baptized shall be saved" but after running what Jesus said thru your "logic" you now have Jesus saying something He did NOT say at all. Jesus did not say "believe only and thou shalt be saved then can be baptized sometime later".

Evidently there must be some flaws in your line of "logic".

IF (1) belief + (2) baptism = (3) saved
THEN you can never have (3) without having BOTH (1) and (2), you cannot ever have (3) with (1) alone or (2) alone.

You posted: (in blue)
If A & B then C. (if believe & baptized then saved).
If not A, then not C (if not believe, then not saved).

You cannot deduce from that:
If not B, then not C. That is simply a logical fallacy.

You made BOTH (a) AND (b) necessary to get to (c)
That logic implies that not having (a) or (b) you cannot get to (c)

Yet you claim one can get to (c) with (a) alone. If that is true, then your original hypothesis is wrong where you stated "If A & B then C."

So the question is, in your hypothesis is both (a) and (b) necessary to get to (c)?

If no, then what you are saying here does not fit what Christ said.
If yes, then you make (a) belief and (b) baptism both necessary to get to (c) saved.
 
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You just said that someone could be saved without being baptized, as long as they did not have time to be baptized. That completely contradicts your belief that baptism is necessary. You can not pick and choose when you believe baptism is necessary.
 
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You have a very peculiar view of scripture. Very wrong because you force everything to go through the distorted belief you have over water baptism. You see things as commands which are not.

Peter speaking by inspiration of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2:38 is not commanding anything but observing what happens when someone receives Christ. Repentance is an automatic response to receiving Christ as Savior and baptism of the Holy Spirit is also an inescapable result of allowing Christ to save you from your sins.

You are perhaps a good example of what Christ was referring to when He said they strain at a gnat but swallow a camel.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Peter did not command they first "receive Christ" then repent and be baptized.

Those that will not repent will perish, LK 13:3,5 and they remain in a state of perishing until they do repent. The order of Acts 2:38 has repent and be baptized BEFORE remission of sins. The faith only doctrine totally reverses this by trying to get one's sins remitted BEFORE he does the obedient works of repenting and submitting to baptism.

I have checked with the resources I have available to me and EVERY SINGLE ONE have both repentance and be baptized in the imperative mood. So I do see them as commands for THEY ARE commands. Once again faith only doctrine trying to change what is clearly present.

And the commands imply that the hearers have BOTH the ability and responsibility to obey those imperatives and there a consequence if they do not obey them.

You are simply trying to rewrite Acts 2:38 and ignore the imperatives is all see in your post.


 
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You just said that someone could be saved without being baptized, as long as they did not have time to be baptized. That completely contradicts your belief that baptism is necessary. You can not pick and choose when you believe baptism is necessary.
Amen and it seems that they do this quite regularly...that being that they consistently contradict themselves....He will say that if you sin, you loose your salvation, but then will not admit that he himself has sinned and lost his salvation or he will qualify sin and categorize sin and say that some sins can cause you to loose it, whilst others are not as grievous....like a ping pong ball bouncing off of the table leg, wall and table.....bouncing around without any consistency whatsoever at all.....It is good to see that someone as young as yourself can see right through his smoke screen of hypocrisy!
 
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Seems like the legalist just don't seem to understand the heart of GOD .GOD doesn't love us because we keep rules and regulations.
David understood the heart of GOD when he ate the showbread he knew GOD still loves him.

Romans 8:35
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[SUP]35.)[/SUP] Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Jn 14:23 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."


Jn 15:10 "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."

And the Christian is commanded to keep himself in the love of God, Jude 1:21. How does the Christian keep himself in God's love? By keeping God's commands. The command itself implies one can be separated from God's love.

Rom 8:35 one separates himself from the love of God.
 
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Well If you don't want to get baptized and want to tell others they don't have to also, then I would say please go to God in prayer in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. And pray for forgiveness for the sin of unbelief you are living and telling others to live in so you can be forgiven of it.
Refusing to follow a direct command from Jesus is disobedience, disobedience is sin of unbelief, and unbelief has no salvation.
Ok well from this response I can see that many of you on "the other side of the fence" as far as baptism goes are totally missing the point. Not only that but it seems that you believe I wouldn't speak of baptism to a "new" believer. I would tell them about baptism but I sure wouldn't tell them there salvation depended on it. To tell someone that their salvation also depends upon them being baptized is against the gospel of Christ. So for this reason I decided to talk about the gospel of Christ that is preached though out the New Testament.

The Gospel of Christ is the good news of His coming to provide forgiveness of sins for all who will believe. (Colossians 1:14 Romans 10:9)

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 is Paul's "layout" of the Gospel message and it includes 3 essential elements of the Gospel.

1: "died for sin". Before we come before the Throne of God for salvation we must acknowledge our sin. (Romans 3:23). If we do not acknowledge our sin and admit that we are sinful the Holy Spirit cannot start the sanctifying work in us. (1 John 1:8)

2: the person and the Work of Christ. Jesus is both God (Colossians 2:9) and man (John 1:14). This truth must be taught to fully understand the redemptive work of Jesus. Because Jesus lived a sinless life (14 Peter 2:22) He is the only one who could be the propitiation for sin.

3: the ressurection of Christ. Christ's ressurection is proof of the power of God. He is the only one who can remove the sting of death and victory of the grave (1 Corinthians 15:54,55). Christianity is the only religion who has a Lord and Savior that is alive.

Christ offers His salvation as a free gift (Romans 5:15 6:23) that can only be received by faith (Romans 1:16 10:9)

This is the Gospel which the disciples of Jesus taught. This is the exact Gospel we are to teach. We are not to add anything or take away anything of this Gospel.

By making baptism or any good works a part of salvation you add to the Gospel of Christ thus corrupting it.

1 John 3:24 tells us we are to keep God's commands which is something we should do. In Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus gives us the greatest commandment and also the second greatest commandment. If we follow these two commandments which are both based on love then we will be living according to God's Will for our lives. Through our love for God we can pray and allow God to direct and guide us through the Holy Spirit. This is where baptism and good works come into play in our lives. Through prayer God will lead us to be baptized and also lead us to good works. God will press on our hearts baptism but not to save us but to publicly declare our faith and love in Christ.
 
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Your blind as they all omit water!

And my Titus 3:5 with use of word is good and based upon Ephesians 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water BY THE WORD
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 6:47
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

You see the common theme in these and the other scriptures you gave, they all say believe !!!

Take that and then apply it to what the Lord Jesus Christ said it means to believe in Him, like I have tried to show all along.
Believing in Him does not mean just that He existed, died on the cross for our sins, and rose on the third day. Believing in Him also means you believe in what He said, and follow it. Your false exegesis of a belief only, and no obedience/works to follow is a dangerous teaching.
This is why Jesus says we will know them by their works, because one's works will be evident of if they are saved or not.


20 People can say they believe and are saved, but if only 5 of those when you see how they live shows their obedience to the Lord and the other 15 do not. Then you know only those 5 are saved, and the other 15 still need to be brought to repentance.
The scriptures also say do works worthy of repentance, meaning if you continue to do things contrary to God your repentance is not a true repentance and you are not saved.
 
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John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 6:47
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

You see the common theme in these and the other scriptures you gave, they all say believe !!!

Take that and then apply it to what the Lord Jesus Christ said it means to believe in Him, like I have tried to show all along.
Believing in Him does not mean just that He existed, died on the cross for our sins, and rose on the third day. Believing in Him also means you believe in what He said, and follow it. Your false exegesis of a belief only, and no obedience/works to follow is a dangerous teaching.
This is why Jesus says we will know them by their works, because one's works will be evident of if they are saved or not.


20 People can say they believe and are saved, but if only 5 of those when you see how they live shows their obedience to the Lord and the other 15 do not. Then you know only those 5 are saved, and the other 15 still need to be brought to repentance.
The scriptures also say do works worthy of repentance, meaning if you continue to do things contrary to God your repentance is not a true repentance and you are not saved.
Is a person declared righteous by faith, as the word says? Or by baptism?