A very critical difference between the old and new covenants

[posthuman]

We don't judge Judas, Jesus judged Judas to perdition.

Judas took his life in despair, not in a saving faith and hope in Jesus Christ.

It is profitable for us to know the difference between godly sorrow (Biblical repentance) and worldly sorrow (bringing death).

you understand well what 1 Corinthians 3:14-15 means -- we both know this is true!
how do i know whether in the end Judas believed He is Lord or not? i know he tried to find his own life, and lost it - and i know he repented and then lost his own life, but was it for Christ's sake? i can only speculate. it was to fulfill prophecy about Christ, so maybe it was - but like i'm sure you'll agree, the only "suicide" anyone can justify is our baptism into Christ's death on the cross, so maybe it wasn't - but Judas died before that mystery was revealed to the world.

i have more sorrow than animosity for the man. all i can say is that i hope he understood the truth before his last breath.

 

[Elin]

you understand well what 1 Corinthians 3:14-15 means -- we both know this is true!
how do i know whether in the end Judas believed He is Lord or not? i know he tried to find his own life, and lost it - and i know he repented and then lost his own life, but was it for Christ's sake? i can only speculate. it was to fulfill prophecy about Christ, so maybe it was - but like i'm sure you'll agree, the only "suicide" anyone can justify is our baptism into Christ's death on the cross, so maybe it wasn't - but Judas died before that mystery was revealed to the world.

i have more sorrow than animosity for the man. all i can say is that i hope he understood the truth before his last breath.

I accept Jesus' sentence of Judas' judgment to perdition.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

you understand well what 1 Corinthians 3:14-15 means -- we both know this is true!
how do i know whether in the end Judas believed He is Lord or not? i know he tried to find his own life, and lost it - and i know he repented and then lost his own life, but was it for Christ's sake? i can only speculate. it was to fulfill prophecy about Christ, so maybe it was - but like i'm sure you'll agree, the only "suicide" anyone can justify is our baptism into Christ's death on the cross, so maybe it wasn't - but Judas died before that mystery was revealed to the world.

i have more sorrow than animosity for the man. all i can say is that i hope he understood the truth before his last breath.

Judas showed moral remorse.. He felt bad about what he did, but did not repent.

Peter showed spiritual remorse, he moved on in spite of his pain for denying Christ three times, and worked for God.

Judas was a thief from the beginning, he stole from jesus from the time he started working for him, he was a lover of money, not a lover of God.

 

[posthuman]

This is because God did NOT create any robots ...
but He did create humans with totally free-will to do as they please.

the best kind of robots act autonomously according to the precepts of their Programmer.

 

[posthuman]

I accept Jesus' sentence of Judas' judgment to perdition.

i also accept His righteous judgement of myself to be worthy of perdition .. and His graceful pardon with joyful thanksgiving!

i'm a son by adoption - i have hope that everyone would take hold of His salvation.

 

[DiscipleDave]

i do apologize that i did not read the posts in this thread but would like to comment on it nonetheless.

The Biggest difference from the Old Covenant and the New Covenant is:

To be Righteous and in good standing with God in the Old Covenant, one must obey all the commandments.
To be Righteous and in good standing with God in the New Covenant, one must LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

An example would be this. A man under the old covenant committed a transgression against God, if they stole, because there was a commandment that said "Thou shalt not Steal"
A man under the new covenant commits a transgression against God, if they steal, NOT because there is a commandment that says "Thou shalt not Steal" but because that man failed to love the person they stole from.

Under the old covenant a person is Judged by their obedience to the commandments
Under the new covenant a person is Judged by how they have LOVED ONE ANOTHER or FAILED to LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

When we all stand before God on Judgement Day it is not what sins we have committed or not committed that will be judged, what is judged, is How we have LOVED ONE ANOTHER. woe to those who Fail to LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

Do you help the needy?
Do you give to the poor?
Do you clothe the naked?
Do you give to charities?
Do you help those who ask of you to help?
Do you give without expecting anything in return?
Do you loan without charging interest?
Do you help those in your community?
Do you volunteer to help the homeless?
Do you volunteer at soup kitchens?
Do you volunteer your time freely to a good cause?
Do you open up your house to those who have no place to go?
Do you pick up that hitchhiker asking you for a ride?
Do you give presents for Christmas for the less fortunate?
The list can go on and on and on.

What? you don't do any of those things? Tell me then, How have you LOVED OTHERS?

^i^

 

[Elin]

i also accept His righteous judgement of myself to be worthy of perdition .. and His graceful pardon with joyful thanksgiving!

Which pardon was by faith, not despair, in the shedding of his precious blood (Ro 3:25).

i'm a son by adoption - i have hope that everyone would take hold of His salvation.

You are a son by adoption because of your faith, not depair, in the precious saving blood of Christ
(Ro 3:25).

 

[posthuman]

BTW, I really respect Elin's genius ... at avoiding admitting weakness.

i took it for rejoicing in her weaknesses, Christ's strength being made perfect in them?
you know, like being "Atoned For" means no longer subject to the penalty of one's transgression, right?

 

[ELECT]

Good point! We have centuries with "governing authorities" used to do what it is oppose to law, JUSTICE and yet they lack the moral to impose penalties for sins.

Sometimes I want to live another planet, or the moon, just to avoid my own transgressions.

Have you ever thought about if Jesus came while men were on the moon ?

 

[ELECT]

i do apologize that i did not read the posts in this thread but would like to comment on it nonetheless.

The Biggest difference from the Old Covenant and the New Covenant is:

To be Righteous and in good standing with God in the Old Covenant, one must obey all the commandments.
To be Righteous and in good standing with God in the New Covenant, one must LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

An example would be this. A man under the old covenant committed a transgression against God, if they stole, because there was a commandment that said "Thou shalt not Steal"
A man under the new covenant commits a transgression against God, if they steal, NOT because there is a commandment that says "Thou shalt not Steal" but because that man failed to love the person they stole from.

Under the old covenant a person is Judged by their obedience to the commandments
Under the new covenant a person is Judged by how they have LOVED ONE ANOTHER or FAILED to LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

When we all stand before God on Judgement Day it is not what sins we have committed or not committed that will be judged, what is judged, is How we have LOVED ONE ANOTHER. woe to those who Fail to LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

Do you help the needy?
Do you give to the poor?
Do you clothe the naked?
Do you give to charities?
Do you help those who ask of you to help?
Do you give without expecting anything in return?
Do you loan without charging interest?
Do you help those in your community?
Do you volunteer to help the homeless?
Do you volunteer at soup kitchens?
Do you volunteer your time freely to a good cause?
Do you open up your house to those who have no place to go?
Do you pick up that hitchhiker asking you for a ride?
Do you give presents for Christmas for the less fortunate?
The list can go on and on and on.

What? you don't do any of those things? Tell me then, How have you LOVED OTHERS?

^i^

Does beyonce and others Michael Jackson do and did these things as mentioned above ?

 

[The_highwayman]

i do apologize that i did not read the posts in this thread but would like to comment on it nonetheless.

The Biggest difference from the Old Covenant and the New Covenant is:

To be Righteous and in good standing with God in the Old Covenant, one must obey all the commandments.
To be Righteous and in good standing with God in the New Covenant, one must LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

An example would be this. A man under the old covenant committed a transgression against God, if they stole, because there was a commandment that said "Thou shalt not Steal"
A man under the new covenant commits a transgression against God, if they steal, NOT because there is a commandment that says "Thou shalt not Steal" but because that man failed to love the person they stole from.

Under the old covenant a person is Judged by their obedience to the commandments
Under the new covenant a person is Judged by how they have LOVED ONE ANOTHER or FAILED to LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

When we all stand before God on Judgement Day it is not what sins we have committed or not committed that will be judged, what is judged, is How we have LOVED ONE ANOTHER. woe to those who Fail to LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

Do you help the needy?
Do you give to the poor?
Do you clothe the naked?
Do you give to charities?
Do you help those who ask of you to help?
Do you give without expecting anything in return?
Do you loan without charging interest?
Do you help those in your community?
Do you volunteer to help the homeless?
Do you volunteer at soup kitchens?
Do you volunteer your time freely to a good cause?
Do you open up your house to those who have no place to go?
Do you pick up that hitchhiker asking you for a ride?
Do you give presents for Christmas for the less fortunate?
The list can go on and on and on.

What? you don't do any of those things? Tell me then, How have you LOVED OTHERS?

^i^

This is all self righteousness and does not change your position with God one bit. Righteousness is not works or attainment based. Righteousness is a position given to you through Faith by God's grace, you do not earn righteousness it is a gift and it is a position you receive once you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead. The position of righteousness never changes despite anything you do right or wrong. All the things you listed if done to attain righteousness is nothing more than self righteousness and means nothing, because it adds to everything Jesus did on the cross.

 

[AtonedFor]

This is all self righteousness and does not change your position with God one bit. Righteousness is not works or attainment based. Righteousness is a position given to you through Faith by God's grace, you do not earn righteousness it is a gift and it is a position you receive once you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead. The position of righteousness never changes despite anything you do right or wrong. All the things you listed if done to attain righteousness is nothing more than self righteousness and means nothing, because it adds to everything Jesus did on the cross.

Please see all of the verses about the need to maintain your righteousness ...
in this thread ... http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...es-righteousness-comes-through-faith-but.html

 

[The_highwayman]

Please see all of the verses about the need to maintain your righteousness ...
in this thread ... http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...es-righteousness-comes-through-faith-but.html

You do not need to maintain righteousness through works, period. You were already made righteous at conversion. Anything you do to gain righteousness is self-righteousness and is as filthy rags. Nothing you could ever do for God even comes close to making you righteous like what Jesus did on the cross. Righteousness is not based on personal performance, it is based on position.

Simple formula for righteousness is:
Jesus + NOTHING = everything.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You do not need to maintain righteousness through works, period. You were already made righteous at conversion. Anything you do to gain righteousness is self-righteousness and is as filthy rags. Nothing you could ever do for God even comes close to making you righteous like what Jesus did on the cross. Righteousness is not based on personal performance, it is based on position.

Simple formula for righteousness is:
Jesus + NOTHING = everything.

amen, paul tells us how to do this.

Rom 8
[SUP]4 [/SUP]that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit

 

[Chopper]

You do not need to maintain righteousness through works, period. You were already made righteous at conversion. Anything you do to gain righteousness is self-righteousness and is as filthy rags. Nothing you could ever do for God even comes close to making you righteous like what Jesus did on the cross. Righteousness is not based on personal performance, it is based on position.

Simple formula for righteousness is:
Jesus + NOTHING = everything.

Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in the Messiah Yahushua, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Messiah Yahushua hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, YHWH sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

[Mitspa]

Big difference between "works" of righteousness from the "letter" of the law and works of faith in the Spirit. If you don't know its God doing it in you through His Spirit? ..you might very well just be in the flesh and in self-righteousness. "For it is God at work in you to will and to act according to His good purpose" if folks don't have this and know that they know its God Spirit doing the good works...they are not keeping the true biblical standard of walking in the Spirit.

 

[AtonedFor]

Chopper and Mitspa ...

Why waste your time with these guys? ...
they just continue to choose to ignore dozens of Scripture verses!

I.E. they want NO accountability at all for how they live their lives!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

And since the body can only get the spirit by faith (not works) it all adds up.

no faith, no work, no spirit.

1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

why did you not finish the quote?

[SUP]8 [/SUP]He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in the Messiah Yahushua, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Messiah Yahushua hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, YHWH sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

who are us? Those who are in Christ. and given the power of the spirit. Not those who try to follow the law of sin and death, they are still dead in their sin. because the law still condemns them.

 

[dcontroversal]

i do apologize that i did not read the posts in this thread but would like to comment on it nonetheless.

The Biggest difference from the Old Covenant and the New Covenant is:

To be Righteous and in good standing with God in the Old Covenant, one must obey all the commandments.
To be Righteous and in good standing with God in the New Covenant, one must LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

An example would be this. A man under the old covenant committed a transgression against God, if they stole, because there was a commandment that said "Thou shalt not Steal"
A man under the new covenant commits a transgression against God, if they steal, NOT because there is a commandment that says "Thou shalt not Steal" but because that man failed to love the person they stole from.

Under the old covenant a person is Judged by their obedience to the commandments
Under the new covenant a person is Judged by how they have LOVED ONE ANOTHER or FAILED to LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

When we all stand before God on Judgement Day it is not what sins we have committed or not committed that will be judged, what is judged, is How we have LOVED ONE ANOTHER. woe to those who Fail to LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

Do you help the needy?
Do you give to the poor?
Do you clothe the naked?
Do you give to charities?
Do you help those who ask of you to help?
Do you give without expecting anything in return?
Do you loan without charging interest?
Do you help those in your community?
Do you volunteer to help the homeless?
Do you volunteer at soup kitchens?
Do you volunteer your time freely to a good cause?
Do you open up your house to those who have no place to go?
Do you pick up that hitchhiker asking you for a ride?
Do you give presents for Christmas for the less fortunate?
The list can go on and on and on.

What? you don't do any of those things? Tell me then, How have you LOVED OTHERS?

^i^

Hmmmm....Does it not say we will be judged and or rewarded for what we have done in our bodies...good or bad and by every idle word?

 

[DiscipleDave]

i do apologize that i did not read the posts in this thread but would like to comment on it nonetheless.

The Biggest difference from the Old Covenant and the New Covenant is:

To be Righteous and in good standing with God in the Old Covenant, one must obey all the commandments.
To be Righteous and in good standing with God in the New Covenant, one must LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

An example would be this. A man under the old covenant committed a transgression against God, if they stole, because there was a commandment that said "Thou shalt not Steal"
A man under the new covenant commits a transgression against God, if they steal, NOT because there is a commandment that says "Thou shalt not Steal" but because that man failed to love the person they stole from.

Under the old covenant a person is Judged by their obedience to the commandments
Under the new covenant a person is Judged by how they have LOVED ONE ANOTHER or FAILED to LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

When we all stand before God on Judgement Day it is not what sins we have committed or not committed that will be judged, what is judged, is How we have LOVED ONE ANOTHER. woe to those who Fail to LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

Do you help the needy?
Do you give to the poor?
Do you clothe the naked?
Do you give to charities?
Do you help those who ask of you to help?
Do you give without expecting anything in return?
Do you loan without charging interest?
Do you help those in your community?
Do you volunteer to help the homeless?
Do you volunteer at soup kitchens?
Do you volunteer your time freely to a good cause?
Do you open up your house to those who have no place to go?
Do you pick up that hitchhiker asking you for a ride?
Do you give presents for Christmas for the less fortunate?
The list can go on and on and on.

What? you don't do any of those things? Tell me then, How have you LOVED OTHERS?

^i^

Does beyonce and others Michael Jackson do and did these things as mentioned above ?

i am sure the antichrist will do all those things and much more to cause the world to follow after him, but what does that have to do if a person is LOVING ONE ANOTHER by doing those things, have to do with if the wicked do them too? Just because the wicked do those things too, does not exclude Christians from doing them. Is it not written to "be sure to maintain good works" There is a reason to make sure to maintain good works. i seem to remember Opra saying that she gives to the poor and to charity and to others because it earns her a way into Heaven, does not make it so though.

^i^