Puzzled, Why Not Talk to God About the Sabbath?

[EbalT5]

I don't think anyone here is saying that God has changed the Sabbath. We are saying that if you are living by the Law for Eternal Life, then you must live by the entire Law. Good luck! Only one man has ever successfully lived by the Law.

I've heard people say that .
But there is evidence to the contrary in the Bible.

Here's a list of people who are called "just" or "righteous" in the Bible:
Matthew 1:19 (Joseph)
Luke 2:25 (Simeon)
Luke 23:50 (Joseph of Arimathea)
Matthew 13:17 (many righteous men)
Luke 1:6 (Elizabeth and Zechariah)
2 Peter 2:7 (Lot)
Job 1:1, 1:8, and 2:3 (Job)
Mark 6:20 (John the Baptist)
Hebrews 11:4 (Abel)
Genesis 6:9 (Noah)

 

[EbalT5]

Jesus certainly advocated keeping the Law.
Matthew 19:16-17
And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” 17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
Luke 19:8-10
8 Zaccheus stopped and said to the Lord, “Behold, Lord, half of my possessions I will give to the poor, and if I have defrauded anyone of anything, I will give back four times as much.” 9 And Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because he, too, is a son of Abraham. 10 For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.”
John 5:28-29
Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
Luke 10:25-28
And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; do this and you will live.”

 

[Jeff_56]

correct.

how would it look, .... if the judge who wrote the law, told the people he wrote it for, then told them not to believe it ?

of course, he also said, those without the law, die without the law; those with the law, die with the law; whoever is not a "doer" ....

thank the Creator for faith and grace in Yeshua !

Matthew 23
Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, [SUP]2 [/SUP]saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; [SUP]3 [/SUP]therefore all that they tell you, do and observe,

It appears to me that Jesus was recommending observing the Law.

 

[EbalT5]

Breno.


You are missing the whole point of this discussion. It's not that the others aren't important, it's just this is the ONLY ONE that most of the world thinks is changed...God said..I just posted it..Don't shoot the messenger. Don't get upset..Pray about it. God says, test every spirit to see if its true..How do u test every spirit, by the Word of God and c if God contradicts Himself. God's word also brings about division. Truth and Error. This is not a contest to c who is right or who is wrong. God hates division amongest believers. Do your homework. Traditions are hard to overcome. It not like we are losing anything when we take God at His word.

I see your point. IMO about 95% of the Churches here in the USA meet on Sunday and not Saturday.
Many people work on Saturday and do not observe the Sabbath.
If God wants us to observe the Sabbath then we have a major problem.
What do you suggest we do?

 

[RememberTheSabbathDay]

I commend the op for a well written post along with scripture. The sabbath is a very touchy and complicated subject. some say the true sabbath is saturday not sunday some say otherwise but the whole keeping the sabbath debate is a very messy one yet it must be debated so we can understand. Certain Christians are very passionate about keeping the sabbath and I will admit I have yet to find one scripture that speaks of not keeping it however we all break the commandments everyday so is not keeping the sabbath any worse of a sin than what we do every day? not to mention what is considered not keeping the sabbath in the first place?

work in general would be not keeping the sabbath right? Jesus was condemned simply for helping someone on the sabbath so is it right to assume that anything less than total laying back and chilling is breaking it? Jesus is God so he has the authority to work on the sabbath but the sabbath was made for us to honor God so it was created to be kept by us humans. sunday and saturday for me are free time days and I go to church on sunday but if keeping the sabbath whether on saturday or sunday means I cannot do any work of any kind then I am breaking it because I like to help ppl and I am willing to work hard for the sake of others and I am sometimes blessed by being able to help someone here in cc as I am on here a lot and if I could I would be doing charity work everyday including sunday and saturday.


Honestly my opinion on the sabbath keeping is not set in stone. I feel it is more of a thing that you should feel lead to do like fasting but I also could be wrong maybe we are to keep the sabbath but maybe God is more interested in the state of our hearts and relationship with him

Blain,


When it says rest from all your works, it means set this sacred time apart from ur regular task in the world...come aside and glorify Him..remembering Him as Creator..Putting aside all what pleases you. God says, it is good to do good on the Sabbath Day. Going about doing for others, spending quality time with family friends..turn off the tv, net, Iphones..taking walks in nature. Speak of His marvelous works.. Communing with God does not mean go to sleep..You know the scripture that says, "There remaineth a rest for God's people in Him"..now think about if you were to say, "There remaineth a sleep for God's people in Him." How does this really sound?. Does it make sense? There are some jobs that must go on around the clock like anything that has to do with the life and death of people.

God says, "Come unto me all who labor, and are burdened and I will give you rest. Take my YOKE upon you and LEARN of Me, for I am meek and lowly in heart and you will find REST unto your soul. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light. Matthew 11:28-30
A simple reading (peshat) of this verse is that God will give REST to those who are BURDENED, but God was teaching a deeper meaning (drash) based on Hebrew understanding of the word REST" The Hebrew word for (REST) is NACHAH, a word related to nuach, means to guide or lead another into a place or state of REST.

Exodus 32:34 "Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee; behold, mine Angel shall go before thee; nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them.

When one has experienced a place or state of REST, he desires to lead others into that REST. We teach and preach this place REST to others which is in Christ Jesus.
This is the Sabbath Rest.

 

[EbalT5]

I prayed and God says your missing the His Cross

Warning ....if God didn't speak to you, you are in extreme danger by putting your words in God's mouth.

 

[4enlightment]

Mt 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Its is finished!

Yes, He didn't came to get rid of it without fulfilling it. The requirements of the laws that none of them cannot be broken or the one that has violated them, will be put to death; but God had made them to make a sacrifice in order for Him to look over their violations for the moment until the Day of Atonement comes to see if they have remorse of the sin that they had committed; but if they weren't wearing sackcloth and in the dust or ashes on that day, then they haven't repented; but that is only if they have sinned against each other, but there's no forgiveness if they'd sinned against Him. Exodus 32:33 The Lord replied to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book. And so right now, we aren't suppose to go around pointing fingers at no one, because we are still endanger of hell's fire, because we are under grace, and if a soul is remorseful, they would not be worrying about someone else sin, but they'll be worrying about if their sins are forgiven and which they'll be a forgiving person because they are hoping for the same treatment for their sins. And so we are under grace. not under any laws anymore.

 

[RememberTheSabbathDay]

I see your point. IMO about 95% of the Churches here in the USA meet on Sunday and not Saturday.
Many people work on Saturday and do not observe the Sabbath.
If God wants us to observe the Sabbath then we have a major problem.
What do you suggest we do?

Brother EbalT5,


And Elijah came unto all the people and said, How long halt ye between tow opinions? if the Lord be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered and said not a word. 1 Kings 18:21.

God says, Enter ye into the strait gate; for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 7:13

This my answer to you is the let the scriptures speak to you and then chose which God you will serve.

 

[RememberTheSabbathDay]

chose between two opinions.

 

[EbalT5]

Brother EbalT5,


And Elijah came unto all the people and said, How long halt ye between tow opinions? if the Lord be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered and said not a word. 1 Kings 18:21.

God says, Enter ye into the strait gate; for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 7:13

This my answer to you is the let the scriptures speak to you and then chose which God you will serve.

I assure you brother I follow the Scriptures diligently.
I read my Bible everyday.

 

[EbalT5]

And so we are under grace. not under any laws anymore.

Of course I assume that you do not steal, give false witness, take God's name in vain, commit adultery, dishonor Mom and Dad, Murder or covet?
These are laws....do you follow them.
Oh by the way ...do you keep the Sabbath day Holy?

 

[Jeff_56]

even people with diplomatic immunity , if they break the law(s) of the land they are in, may still be kicked out of the land they are in. just as Israel was often displaced, because they disobeyed Yahweh,

does anyone remember what THE SCRIPTURE SAYS? >> concerning how they , God's own people , were dealt with if they didn't listen, if they just TOUCHED the mountain, or if they just TOUCHED the ARK OF COVENANT ?

concerning likewise, how, if people today ignore the Creator and Jesus ....

(never taught from the pulpit when an actor is there pretending , no wonder ! )



.... well, look it up. there's no changing what God has said.... (trust God; not men)...

 

[Mitspa]

Yes, He didn't came to get rid of it without fulfilling it. The requirements of the laws that none of them cannot be broken or the one that has violated them, will be put to death; but God had made them to make a sacrifice in order for Him to look over their violations for the moment until the Day of Atonement comes to see if they have remorse of the sin that they had committed; but if they weren't wearing sackcloth and in the dust or ashes on that day, then they haven't repented; but that is only if they have sinned against each other, but there's no forgiveness if they'd sinned against Him. Exodus 32:33 The Lord replied to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book. And so right now, we aren't suppose to go around pointing fingers at no one, because we are still endanger of hell's fire, because we are under grace, and if a soul is remorseful, they would not be worrying about someone else sin, but they'll be worrying about if their sins are forgiven and which they'll be a forgiving person because they are hoping for the same treatment for their sins. And so we are under grace. not under any laws anymore.

What does that have to do with Jesus saying not one jot or tittle would pass away until its ALL FULFILLED? That He said He came to fulfill it? So what part did He fail to fulfill? Some of you are saying part of it is fulfilled and other parts are not? One of you is wrong...you guys or Jesus? Guess who I believe?

 

[Mitspa]

Ac 20:7 ¶ And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Ro 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth

 

[EbalT5]

What does that have to do with Jesus saying not one jot or tittle would pass away until its ALL FULFILLED? That He said He came to fulfill it? So what part did He fail to fulfill? Some of you are saying part of it is fulfilled and other parts are not? One of you is wrong...you guys or Jesus? Guess who I believe?

There is a lot of stuff that is unfulfilled.
But let me give you my favorite example....
God promised Abraham and his descendants the land of Canaan as an everlasting possession.
"And I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession: and I will be their God."
Genesis 17:8


But, Abraham did not receive even a foot of ground.
"And He gave him no inheritance in it, not even a foot of ground; and yet, even when he had no child, He promised that He would give it to him as a possession, and to his offspring after him.”
Acts 7:5

Abraham did not receive what God promised.
So when will Abraham get the land that was promised to him?
Ans..When the Kingdom is established on earth.

This promise to Abe is unfulfilled.

Jesus has not fulfilled the Law and the Prophets.

 

[EbalT5]

Ac 20:7 ¶ And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Ro 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth

Paul was going away on a trip. They all got together for a meal and listened to Paul give a sermon.
Where's the change in the Sabbath day?

 

[Mitspa]

There is a lot of stuff that is unfulfilled.
But let me give you my favorite example....
God promised Abraham and his descendants the land of Canaan as an everlasting possession.
"And I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession: and I will be their God."
Genesis 17:8


But, Abraham did not receive even a foot of ground.
"And He gave him no inheritance in it, not even a foot of ground; and yet, even when he had no child, He promised that He would give it to him as a possession, and to his offspring after him.”
Acts 7:5

Abraham did not receive what God promised.
So when will Abraham get the land that was promised to him?
Ans..When the Kingdom is established on earth.

This promise to Abe is unfulfilled.

Jesus has not fulfilled the Law and the Prophets.

So when He said none would pass away til every jot and title was fulfilled...did He fulfill part of the law and prophets...and leave part unfulfilled? I don't understand what your trying to claim seeing its impossible for Him to be wrong or lie.

 

[Mitspa]

Paul was going away on a trip. They all got together for a meal and listened to Paul give a sermon.
Where's the change in the Sabbath day?

Funny how they ALWAYS would meet on the first day of the week....

Ac 20:7 ¶ And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

 

[Mitspa]

Col 2:16 ¶ Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath :
17 Which are but a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ

 

[EbalT5]

So when He said none would pass away til every jot and title was fulfilled...did He fulfill part of the law and prophets...and leave part unfulfilled? I don't understand what your trying to claim seeing its impossible for Him to be wrong or lie.

If you look back into the Hebrew Scriptures you will see that there is lots of stuff that the Messiah was supposed to accomplish. But this stuff has not been fulfilled. Go back and read and you will see.