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They are as One as you are body, soul and spirit - tripartite and like it or not, created in the image of God - tripartite.
Your soul is not another person, your spirit is not another person, your body isn't another person --- but the three are One Person and that's what Jesus was telling Philip and telling through quoting the Shema.
First of all, only Adam & Eve were created in the image and likeness of God.

Everyone after these two were BEGOTTEN in the fallen image and likeness of Adam.

Read Gen 5.
 
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Is the Holy Spirit a God person or is it the power of God?
The Holy Spirit is a person and the power of God just like Jesus

[h=1]1 Corinthians 1:24King James Version (KJV)[/h]24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
 
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Israel only knew One Father - One God - they did know HIS Spirit but that didn't make HIS Spirit another God -- no more than your spirit is another 'person'.
Scripture...?

No.

Just more meritless assertions on your part...
 
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No, only you would make this mistake...because you don't ever look at context.

You are too busy looking for a one-liner that you can pluck out of context....so that it can be squeezed into your jaded worldview...
lets assume your middle circle is the one God....scripture says the one God is the father...you have another circle representing the father....scripture says
Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

if he(the middle circle) is father of all...you have to conclude he is father of ,father ,son and HS....and if you contend that in your diagram God the father is father of all then he becomes the father of God the middle circle....and to further confuse things...God is the father of all which makes him father of the HS which you claim is a person and male I presume...which makes him another son...bro you have a soap opera going on...





Already comprehended by The Trinity.

The scriptures that you keep ignoring are the ones that state that The Son is the true God.

Deal with ALL scripture....not a few cherry-picked ones...




Already dealt with this one.

Jesus is the One God.
you just accept things bro without thinking them through...and when you cannot explain or refute your response is...Already comprehended by The Trinity.

I am ready for all your insults....
 
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No, only you would make this mistake...because you don't ever look at context.

You are too busy looking for a one-liner that you can pluck out of context....so that it can be squeezed into your jaded worldview...








Already comprehended by The Trinity.

The scriptures that you keep ignoring are the ones that state that The Son is the true God.

Deal with ALL scripture....not a few cherry-picked ones...




Already dealt with this one.

Jesus is the One God.
The one God is the Father in context as spoken of in timiothy this does not deny the fact that the Son is God the Son for the father is greather than HE
 
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Proof Jesus is Not God.

John 17:6-8 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 Now they have come to know that everything You have given Me is from You; 8 for the words which You gave Me I have given to them; and they received them and truly understood that I came forth from You, and they believed that You sent Me.

So as we can see, Jesus was GIVEN everything he had! This all included miracles, doctrine etc. Basically Jesus did not do anything of his own, he never performed a miracle by his own power, he was given the miracles. He never taught anything of his own, rather he was taught by God and spoke what God told him to speak.

John 7:16New American Standard Bible (NASB)
So Jesus answered them and said, “My teaching is not Mine, but His who sent Me.

John 8:26New American Standard Bible (NASB)
I have many things to speak and to judge concerning you, but He who sent Me is true; and the things which I heard from Him, these I speak to the world.”

John 14:24New American Standard Bible (NASB)
He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me.

So everything Jesus had was from God, from the Gospel to his miracles. God needs no one to give him power, God needs no one to tell him what to do, therefore Jesus is not God.

Why do you use English Trinitarian renderings if you reject them?

Can we say hypocrisy......?
 
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Watch and learn, sis...

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


Again a Repeat Post that we already covered two pages ago .... "the Name" is Singular in that verse and when I posted this two pages ago, you didn't reply.


Time's up.

Mat 28.19

πορευθεντες ουν μαθητευσατε παντα τα εθνη βαπτιζοντες αυτους εις το ονομα του πατρος και του υιου και του αγιου πνευματος

Then having gone, disciple all nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,


This passage contains arthrous substantives connected via kai which indicates distinction and separate referents.


However, while distinction is made between the referents, each has the same singular name.


Three Persons in one Being.


This same singular name of three persons’ baptism is the same as the Aaronic blessing in which the singular name of Yahweh is repeated three times (Num 6.22 – 27).


Separate and yet the same, The Trinity.
 
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That would be true for twice - but NOT three times.

Three times signifies Three Persons in view....just like in Gen 1 where mankind is created 'bara', 'bara', bara', three times - representing the Triune Creator.
If you say so. I don't use those words "3 persons" but if you want to follow the latter ECF and not study The Book from cover to cover, that's your perogative.


The Holy Spirit is a separate Person...hence, your confusion.
Click here ->
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/52766-trinity-61.html#post1827024

Separate person? Not according to the verses in this linked post.


The Shema IS Triune to begin with!
Triune Godhead has not been debated from me - but posted by me more times than I can count.

Maybe you should go help Ebal - as his declarations are a bit more serious than my not using the word "persons".


Nuf said.
 
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That's not what the Jews believe. You're going to have to explain this assertion.

Since when were Jews known for correctly interpreting their scriptures?!

The few that did, converted to Christianity.
 
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Jesus prays to his father in John chapter 17....
Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, [SUP]2 [/SUP]even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. [SUP]3 [/SUP]This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

First off...If Jesus were God wouldn't he be silly praying to himself?

But examine verse 3 carefully......
THe Father is identified as the only true God. But Jesus is identified as a separate individual who has been sent by the Father. How can Jesus be God if he is not included in the God category and is only one who has been sent by God?
 
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lets assume your middle circle is the one God....
There is no 'assumption' here...come on....



scripture says the one God is the father...you have another circle representing the father....scripture says
Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

if he(the middle circle) is father of all...you have to conclude he is father of ,father ,son and HS....and if you contend that in your diagram God the father is father of all then he becomes the father of God the middle circle....and to further confuse things...God is the father of all which makes him father of the HS which you claim is a person and male I presume...which makes him another son...bro you have a soap opera going on...
Why do you keep ignoring scripture stating that The Son is the true God....the God of all?

You are a serious cherry-picker.

Come to grips with the WHOLE of scripture, and deal with it...
 
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Wherever you copied and pasted that post from - they should have told Peter that ....

This passage contains arthrous substantives connected via kai which indicates distinction and separate referents. .



Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
 
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newbirth; lets assume your middle circle is the one God....scripture says the one God is the father...you have another circle representing the father....scripture says [URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+4:6&version=KJV" said:
Ephesians 4:6[/URL]
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

if he(the middle circle) is father of all...you have to conclude he is father of ,father ,son and HS....and if you contend that in your diagram God the father is father of all then he becomes the father of God the middle circle....and to further confuse things...God is the father of all which makes him father of the HS which you claim is a person and male I presume...which makes him another son...bro you have a soap opera going on...







you just accept things bro without thinking them through...and when you cannot explain or refute your response is...Already comprehended by The Trinity.

I am ready for all your insults....
Who is the Holy Spirit ?
 
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If you say so. I don't use those words "3 persons" but if you want to follow the latter ECF and not study The Book from cover to cover, that's your perogative.
Scripture makes this claim...not me.

You really should try your hand at studying it sometime, sis...





Click here ->
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/52766-trinity-61.html#post1827024

Separate person? Not according to the verses in this linked post.


Strap these on for size...



  • The Son is not the Spirit(Mat 28.19; John 14.16, 15.26, 16.7)
  • The Spirit is not the Son (Mat 28.19; John 14.16, 15.26, 16.7)
  • The Spirit is not the Father(Mat 28.19; John 14.16, 15.26; Romans 8.26-27; Luke 3.21-22)
  • The Father is not the Spirit(Mat 28.19; John 14.16, 15.26; Romans 8.26-27; Luke 3.21-22)

 
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Jesus prays to his father in John chapter 17....
Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, [SUP]2 [/SUP]even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. [SUP]3 [/SUP]This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

First off...If Jesus were God wouldn't he be silly praying to himself?

But examine verse 3 carefully......
THe Father is identified as the only true God. But Jesus is identified as a separate individual who has been sent by the Father. How can Jesus be God if he is not included in the God category and is only one who has been sent by God?
Who sits on the white throne ?
 
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Wherever you copied and pasted that post from - they should have told Peter that ....

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Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Again...

Baptize in the NAME.....of which, is the SAME for each Person of The Trinity!

Come on, sis....apply yourself...
 
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Jesus prays to his father in John chapter 17....
Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, [SUP]2 [/SUP]even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. [SUP]3 [/SUP]This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.



First off...If Jesus were God wouldn't he be silly praying to himself?

But examine verse 3 carefully......
THe Father is identified as the only true God. But Jesus is identified as a separate individual who has been sent by the Father. How can Jesus be God if he is not included in the God category and is only one who has been sent by God?
Who will be coming to judge ?

[h=1]Psalm 50:1-7King James Version (KJV)[/h]50 The mighty God, even the Lord, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.
2 Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined.
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.
4 He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people.
5 Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.
6 And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.
7 Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God.
 
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There is no 'assumption' here...come on....





Why do you keep ignoring scripture stating that The Son is the true God....the God of all?

You are a serious cherry-picker.

Come to grips with the WHOLE of scripture, and deal with it...

the God of all is father of all ....son is now father of father,son and HS...your trinity cannot stand up to scripture...