Puzzled, Why Not Talk to God About the Sabbath?

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If you look back into the Hebrew Scriptures you will see that there is lots of stuff that the Messiah was supposed to accomplish. But this stuff has not been fulfilled. Go back and read and you will see.
No! Jesus said every jot and tittle was in effect until it was all fulfilled...now anyone who claims to be under "parts" of the law are just intentionally ignoring the truth of His Words... They are not obeying His Word!
 
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what's funny about what the ekklesia did ? they obeyed Yeshua, and always kept His commandments as He taught them to do. not one of them would break the Sabbath, or worship other gods, or take Yhvh's Name in vain, or kill a person, or bear false witness against their neighbor(or anyone?), ....
so
what is so funny, the followers of Jesus did what Jesus said , seven days a week, working six days, and resting on the seventh,
EVERY DAY doing what Jesus says to do in their lives and with their lives.

or, can you show where any of the apostles or disciples BROKE a commandment or SINNED ? like, perhaps, ananias and saphira ?
or, have you forgotten what the assembly was OPENLY AND PLAINLY TOLD to do if someone called themselves a believer, and refused to repent of SINNING !?

(any SIN, not just hand picked one(s)) yes, if they sinned any sin and would not repent, then what DOES GOD'S WORD SAY PLAINLY TO DO WITH THEM ?


Funny how they ALWAYS would meet on the first day of the week....

Ac 20:7 ¶ And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
 
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Col 2:16 ¶ Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath :
17 Which are but a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ
This doesn't say the Sabbath has been abolished. Does it?
It only says let no man judge how you observe the Sabbath.
Back in Moses' day a man was stoned for gathering sticks on the Sabbath.
Paul was a lot more Liberal in his interpretation.
 
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Mitspa

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#64
what's funny about what the ekklesia did ? they obeyed Yeshua, and always kept His commandments as He taught them to do. not one of them would break the Sabbath, or worship other gods, or take Yhvh's Name in vain, or kill a person, or bear false witness against their neighbor(or anyone?), ....
so
what is so funny, the followers of Jesus did what Jesus said , seven days a week, working six days, and resting on the seventh,
EVERY DAY doing what Jesus says to do in their lives and with their lives.

or, can you show where any of the apostles or disciples BROKE a commandment or SINNED ? like, perhaps, ananias and saphira ?
or, have you forgotten what the assembly was OPENLY AND PLAINLY TOLD to do if someone called themselves a believer, and refused to repent of SINNING !?

(any SIN, not just hand picked one(s)) yes, if they sinned any sin and would not repent, then what DOES GOD'S WORD SAY PLAINLY TO DO WITH THEM ?
Have you heard of the Cross and the NEW Covenant written in His Blood....what part of the law did He fulfill...and what part is left undone by His Cross? Why cant none of you answer that?
 
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No! Jesus said every jot and tittle was in effect until it was all fulfilled...now anyone who claims to be under "parts" of the law are just intentionally ignoring the truth of His Words... They are not obeying His Word!
OK...Here is a list of unfulfilled promises in the Law and the Prophets.
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.
Did Jesus do this? NO!
But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
Did Jesus do this? NO!
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Has Jesus made this happen? NO!
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Has Jesus gathered the Twelve tribes of Israel? NO!
And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness.
Is Jesus sitting on the throne in the tabernacle of David? NO!
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely:
Is Jesus a King executing justice in the earth? Are Judah and Israel dwelling in safety? NO!
I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day. In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour.
Has iniquity been removed? Is every man a neighbor? NO!
Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
Did Jesus build the Temple and sit upon his throne? NO!
But the humble will inherit the land
And will delight themselves in abundant prosperity.
For the arms of the wicked will be broken,
But the Lord sustains the righteous.
The Lord knows the days of the blameless,
And their inheritance will be forever.
They will not be ashamed in the time of evil,
And in the days of famine they will have abundance.
But the wicked will perish;
And the enemies of the Lord will be like the glory of the pastures,
They vanish—like smoke they vanish away.
Has this happened? NO!
“Behold, I will open your graves and cause you to come up out of your graves, My people; and I will bring you into the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves and caused you to come up out of your graves, My people. I will put My Spirit within you and you will come to life, and I will place you on your own land. Then you will know that I, the Lord, have spoken and done it,” declares the Lord.’”
Has this happened? NO!
And many peoples will come and say,
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
To the house of the God of Jacob;
That He may teach us concerning His ways
And that we may walk in His paths.”
For the law will go forth from Zion
And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
Has this happened? NO!
They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
Has this happened? NO!
 
 
 
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excerpts from Hebrews by biblegateway, CJB >>

6 But the Messiah, as Son, was faithful over God’s house. And we are that house of his, provided we hold firmly to the courage and confidence inspired by what we hope for.
7 Therefore, as the Ruach HaKodesh says,
“Today, if you hear God’s voice,
8 don’t harden your hearts, as you did in the Bitter Quarrel
 on that day in the Wilderness when you put God to the test.
9 Yes, your fathers put me to the test;
they challenged me, and they saw my work for forty years!
10 Therefore, I was disgusted with that generation —
I said, ‘Their hearts are always going astray,
they have not understood how I do things’;
11 in my anger, I swore
that they would not enter my rest.”
12 Watch out, brothers, so that there will not be in any one of you an evil heart lacking trust, which could lead you to apostatize from the living God! 13 Instead, keep exhorting each other every day, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you will become hardened by the deceit of sin. 14 For we have become sharers in the Messiah, provided, however, that we hold firmly to the conviction we began with, right through until the goal is reached.
15 Now where it says,
“Today, if you hear God’s voice,
don’t harden your hearts, as you did in the Bitter Quarrel,” [c]
16 who were the people who, after they heard, quarreled so bitterly? All those whom Moshe brought out of Egypt. 17 And with whom was God disgusted for forty years? Those who sinned — yes, they fell dead in the Wilderness! 18 And to whom was it that he swore that they would not enter his rest? Those who were disobedient. 19 So we see that they were unable to enter because of lack of trust.
4 Therefore, let us be terrified of the possibility that, even though the promise of entering his rest remains, any one of you might be judged to have fallen short of it; 2 for Good News has also been proclaimed to us, just as it was to them. But the message they heard didn’t do them any good, because those who heard it did not combine it with trust. 3 For it is we who have trusted who enter the rest.
7 During Yeshua’s life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions, crying aloud and shedding tears, to the One who had the power to deliver him from death; and he was heard because of his godliness. 8 Even though he was the Son, he learned obedience through his sufferings. 9 And after he had been brought to the goal, he became the source of eternal deliverance to all who obey him,

9 and then, “Look, I have come to do your will”; he takes away the first system in order to set up the second. 10 It is in connection with this will that we have been separated for God and made holy, once and for all, through the offering of Yeshua the Messiah’s body.


17 he then adds,
“ ‘And their sins and their wickednesses
I will remember no more.’ ”[d]
18 Now where there is forgiveness for these, an offering for sins is no longer needed.
19 So, brothers, we have confidence to use the way into the Holiest Place opened by the blood of Yeshua. 20 He inaugurated it for us as a new and living way through the parokhet, by means of his flesh. 21 We also have a great cohen over God’s household. 22 Therefore, let us approach the Holiest Place with a sincere heart, in the full assurance that comes from trusting — with our hearts sprinkled clean from a bad conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.[e] 23 Let us continue holding fast to the hope we acknowledge, without wavering; for the One who made the promise is trustworthy. 24 And let us keep paying attention to one another, in order to spur each other on to love and good deeds,


28 Someone who disregards the Torah of Moshe is put to death without mercy on the word of two or three witnesses.[g] 29 Think how much worse will be the punishment deserved by someone who has trampled underfoot the Son of God; who has treated as something common the blood of the covenant[h] which made him holy; and who has insulted the Spirit, giver of God’s grace!
30 For the One we know is the One who said,
“Vengeance is my responsibility;
I will repay,”
and then said,
“Adonai will judge his people.”
31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God!
32 But remember the earlier days, when, after you had received the light, you endured a hard struggle with sufferings. 33 Sometimes you were publicly disgraced and persecuted, while at other times you stood loyally by those who were treated this way. 34 For you shared the sufferings of those who had been put in prison. Also when your possessions were seized, you accepted it gladly; since you knew that what you possessed was better and would last forever.
next: chapter on faith; trusting; repeated many times>
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews 11&version=CJB

and to a voice whose words made the hearers beg that no further message be given to them — 20 for they couldn’t bear what was being commanded them, “If even an animal touches the mountain, it is to be stoned to death”;[g] 21 and so terrifying was the sight that Moshe said, “I am quaking with dread.”[h]
22 On the contrary, you have come to Mount Tziyon, that is, the city of the living God, heavenly Yerushalayim; to myriads of angels in festive assembly; 23 to a community of the firstborn whose names have been recorded in heaven; to a Judge who is God of everyone; to spirits of righteous people who have been brought to the goal; 24 to the mediator of a new covenant, Yeshua; and to the sprinkled blood that speaks better things than that of Hevel.
25 See that you don’t reject the One speaking! For if those did not escape who rejected him when he gave divine warning on earth, think how much less we will escape if we turn away from him when he warns from heaven.
13 Let brotherly friendship continue; 2 but don’t forget to be friendly to outsiders; for in so doing, some people, without knowing it, have entertained angels. 3 Remember those in prison and being mistreated, as if you were in prison with them and undergoing their torture yourselves.
12 So too Yeshua suffered death outside the gate, in order to make the people holy through his own blood. 13 Therefore, let us go out to him who is outside the camp and share his disgrace. 14 For we have no permanent city here; on the contrary, we seek the one to come. 15 Through him, therefore, let us offer God a sacrifice of praise continually.[d] For this is the natural product of lips that acknowledge his name.
16 But don’t forget doing good and sharing with others, for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.
 
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I think about 15 posters have answered this in just as many threads.

Why don't some understand it? Could it be that some people WANT TO SIN ?


Have you heard of the Cross and the NEW Covenant written in His Blood....what part of the law did He fulfill...and what part is left undone by His Cross? Why cant none of you answer that?
 
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Mitspa

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This doesn't say the Sabbath has been abolished. Does it?
It only says let no man judge how you observe the Sabbath.
Back in Moses' day a man was stoned for gathering sticks on the Sabbath.
Paul was a lot more Liberal in his interpretation.
Sure as Paul taught in every epistle...that we (believers) have been set free from the law and that the law was only a shadow of Christ...He is the Sabbath rest!

Mt 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.

greater than Jonas

greater than Solomon

Mt 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
 
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Mitspa

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I think about 15 posters have answered this in just as many threads.

Why don't some understand it? Could it be that some people WANT TO SIN ?
No one can answer it who claims that part of the law was fulfilled and part was not...answer it or can you not affirm what you are trying to teach?


1Ti 1:6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
 
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Mitspa

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OK...Here is a list of unfulfilled promises in the Law and the Prophets.
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.
Did Jesus do this? NO!
But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
Did Jesus do this? NO!
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Has Jesus made this happen? NO!
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Has Jesus gathered the Twelve tribes of Israel? NO!
And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness.
Is Jesus sitting on the throne in the tabernacle of David? NO!
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely:
Is Jesus a King executing justice in the earth? Are Judah and Israel dwelling in safety? NO!
I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day. In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour.
Has iniquity been removed? Is every man a neighbor? NO!
Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
Did Jesus build the Temple and sit upon his throne? NO!
But the humble will inherit the land
And will delight themselves in abundant prosperity.
For the arms of the wicked will be broken,
But the Lord sustains the righteous.
The Lord knows the days of the blameless,
And their inheritance will be forever.
They will not be ashamed in the time of evil,
And in the days of famine they will have abundance.
But the wicked will perish;
And the enemies of the Lord will be like the glory of the pastures,
They vanish—like smoke they vanish away.
Has this happened? NO!
“Behold, I will open your graves and cause you to come up out of your graves, My people; and I will bring you into the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves and caused you to come up out of your graves, My people. I will put My Spirit within you and you will come to life, and I will place you on your own land. Then you will know that I, the Lord, have spoken and done it,” declares the Lord.’”
Has this happened? NO!
And many peoples will come and say,
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
To the house of the God of Jacob;
That He may teach us concerning His ways
And that we may walk in His paths.”
For the law will go forth from Zion
And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
Has this happened? NO!
They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
Has this happened? NO!
 
 
Jesus fulfilled every bit or none...that's His clear words...and everyone of those things you claim He did not fulfill...you are just wrong!
 
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Mitspa

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Mt 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Now its impossible for Him to fulfill "parts" of the law! and leave others parts undone
 
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Sure as Paul taught in every epistle...that we (believers) have been set free from the law and that the law was only a shadow of Christ...He is the Sabbath rest!

Mt 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.

greater than Jonas

greater than Solomon

Mt 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
It is not much of an honor to be lord of the Sabbath if the Sabbath has been abolished.
 
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Mitspa

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#73
It is not much of an honor to be lord of the Sabbath if the Sabbath has been abolished.
The law was JUST a shadow of HIM! He was what the law spoke of!
 
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Tell me, Lord, do you have a special day of rest for your followers or is every day alike?
"I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day."Revelation 1:10

But which day is the Lord's Day? Which day are you Lord of?

"The Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath day." Matt. 12:8

There are seven days in the week. Which day is the Sabbath day?
"The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God." Fourth Commandment (Exodus 20:8)

Which day, according to our reckoning, is the seventh day, Saturday or Sunday?
"And when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene and Mary, the mother of James,...very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun...And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man...And he saith unto them, be not affrightened; Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified; He is risen." Mark 16:1-6. (Note everybody knows that Sunday was the resurrection day. The Sabbath was past when it dawned. Thus it is evident that the Sabbath is Saturday, the day before Sunday.)

But, Lord, didn't you abolish the law which contains the Sabbath Commandment?
"Do not suppose that I have come to do away with the law or the prophets. I have not come to do away with them, but to fulfill them." Matthew 5:17

Well, at least, didn't you change one of the Commandments so that today your followers may keep another day?
"I tell you, as long as heaven and earth endure, not one dotting of an i or crossing of a t will be dropped from the law until it is all observed." Matthew 5:18

But, Lord isn't Saturday a Jewish Day? Isn't the seventh day the Sabbath of the Jews?

"The Sabbath was made for man." Mark 2:27 (The Sabbath was made and given to man 2500 years before the existence of a Jew. See Genesis 2:1-3

Someone told me that after your crucifixion, your followers no longer kept the seventh-day Sabbath according to the Commandment. Is this true?
"And that day was the Pr3eparation day and the Sabbath drew on. And the women also which came with Him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the Sepulchre, and how His body was laid. And they returned and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment." Luke 23:54-56.

But didn't the Apostle Paul always meet with the early Christians on Sunday in honor of the Resurrection?
"And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three Sabbath days reasoned with them our of the Scriptures." Acts 17:2

Perhaps he met with the Jews on the Sabbath and the Gentiles on Sunday. What about that?

"And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks." Acts 18:4

What did Paul teach in regard to the Sabbath keeping?

"There therefore remaineth a keeping of the Sabbath (margin) to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works as God did from His." Hebrews 4:9, 10

But what day did Paul mean when he spoke of resting as God did?
"For He spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all His works." Hebrews 4:4 (In the New Testament there are no less than 59 references to the Sabbath. The book of Acts records 84 Sabbaths on which the Apostle Paul and his associates held religious services. Yet there is not one word in the entire Bible authorizing Sunday keeping.)

Why do so many people keep Sunday instead of Saturday? If the Bible teaches Sabbath keeping, how and by whom was Sunday keeping started?
" And he (the 'little horn' power) shall speak great words against the Most High,...and think to change times and laws." Daniel 7:25

The Roman Catholic Church is the Little Horn of Daniel 7. Does it think it has the power to change the law of God?
"Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionist agree with her; she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day of the week, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority." Stephen Keenan, a RC priest, Doctrinal Catechism, page 174.

When was the change made?
"We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because of the Catholic Church in the Council of Laodicea (364 A.D.) transferred the solemnity, from Saturday to Sunday." Peter Germann, The Converts' Catechism, page 50 (This catechism received the pope's blessing on Jan. 25, 1910.)

Do Protestant ministers agree with this?

CONGREGATIONALIST: "It is quite clear that however rigidly or devotedly we may spend Sunday, we are not keeping the Sabbath." Dr. R. W. Dale, The Ten Commandments, page 106.
METHODIST: "Sabbath in the Hebrew language signifies rest and is the seventh day of the week... and it must be confessed that there is no law in the New Testament concerning the first day." Bucks Theological Dictionary.
BAPTIST: "There was and is a commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was not Sunday. It will be said, however, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh to the first day of the week...Where can the record of such a transfer be found? Not in the New Testament--absolutely not...Of course, I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history...But what a pity that it comes branded with the mark of paganism,, and christened with the name of the sun god, when adopted and sanctioned by the Papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism." Dr. E. T. Hoscox, author of the Baptist Manuel.

What difference does it make which day I keep? A day is a day, isn't it?
"Know ye not that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?" Romans 6:16

Then what shall I do, oey the Sabbath of God's Commandment or keep the Sunday of man?

"We ought to obey God rather than men." Acts 5:29

Well, Lord what do you think of Sunday keeping?
"Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition...But in vain they do worship Me, teaching the doctrines the commandments of men." Matthew 15:6, 9

But surely the millions of people who keep Sunday can't be wrong, can they?
"Enter ye in at the strait gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction and many there be wiich go in thereat: because strait is the gate and narrow is the way that leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matthew 7:13,14. (Only a few obeyed God in the days of Noah, in the days of Lot, in the days of Christ. The majority were lost.)

But Dr. So-And-So is a very wise man: Why doesn't he and all the great preachers keep the Sabbath?
"For ye see your calling, brethern, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called; but God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty." 1 Corinthians 1:26, 27 (Note: The great religious teachers in Christ's day rejected the truth also. His followers were of common people.)

But I have accepted Jesus. He has accepted me and I have been keeping Sunday. Surely I would not be lost if I did not keep the Sabbath now, would I?
"The times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent." Acts 17:30

I know you Lord, you wouldn't condemn me for breaking the Sabbath, would you?
"He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." 1 John 2:4

But isn't it sufficient that I love the Lord and live by the law of love?
"If ye love Me, Keep My commandments." John 14:15

Does that mean all ten of them?
"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." James 2:10

Well, I think that if we try to follow Jesus, that is all that is necessary. Isn't that right?
"He that saith he abideth in Him, ought himself also so to walk, even as He walked." 1 John 2:6

What was your custom regarding the Sabbath?
"And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and, as was His custom, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and stood up for to read." Luke 4:16

But Lord that was over 1900 years ago. Wouldn't you keep some other day than Saturday if you should come to earth today?
"I am the Lord, I change not." Malachi 3:6. "Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, and today, and forever." Hebrews 13:8

Does my salvation depend upon my obedience to your Commandments?

"And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him." Hebrews 5:9.

Is it absolutely necessary to keep the Commandments to receive Eternal Life?
"If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Matthew 19:17

But I still can't see why You insist on the seventh day, Lord. Isn't Sunday as good as Saturday?
"God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it." Genesis 2:3. "He hath blessed and I cannot reverse it." Numbers. 23:20. "For Thou blessest, O Lord, and it shall be blessed for ever." 1 Chron. 17:27.

Well, it seems to me that if I keep one day in seven, regardless of which one, that ought to be good enough.
"There is a way that seemth right unto a man; but the end thereof are the ways death." Proverbs 16:25. "Spiritual things...are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:13, 14

But, Lord! Can't I do something else? Won't my prayers and my profession get me to heaven?
"Not every one that saith unto Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven." Matthew 7:21

But I pray.
"He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination." Proverbs 28:9.

But, Lord, look at the people who work miracles. Some heal the sick, others talk in tongues; yet they do not keep the Sabbath. What about them?
"Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? And in Thy name have cast out devils? And in Thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: Depart from Me." Matthew 7:22,23.

Yes, I know the Sabbath is right; but my business would suffer if I closed on Sabbath. I might lose my job.
"For what shall it profit a man if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Mark 8:36

Well, for myself I wouldn't care; but what about my family? Wouldn't it be better for me to work on the Sabbath than to let my family starve?

"Your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things; but seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." Matthew 6:32, 33. "I have not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread." Psalms 37:25

My friends will laugh at me and ridicule me.
"Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you,...and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely for My sake, rejoice, and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven." Matthew 5:11, 12. "If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you." John 15:18

But suppose my own family does not agree with me. Should I cause a division in my home?
"He that loveth father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me: And he that loveth son or daughter more than Me is not worth of Me: And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after Me is not worth of Me." Matthew 10:37, 38. "So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be My disciple." Luke 14:33

I am afraid I won't be able to withstand all these trials. I am too weak.
"My grace is sufficient for thee: for My strength is made perfect in weakness....When I am weak, I am strong." 2 Corinthians 12:9, 10. "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.: Philippians4:13

Then, Lord, what is the reward for being faithful to you nd the Commandments?
"There is no man that hat left house, or parents, or brethern, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake, who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come, life everlasting." Luke 18:29, 30. "Blessed are they that do His commandments that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." Revelation 22:14

Lord, I'm looking forward to a home in the earth made new, will we keep the Sabbath there, too?
"For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make shall remain before Me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain; and it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another shall all flesh come to worship before Me, saith the Lord." Isaiah 66:22, 23

Then, Lord, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. With your help, I will keep the Sabbath.
"Well done, good and faithful servant." Matthew 25:21



WHICH MARK WILL YOU RECEIVE?

"The Catholic Church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."....Catholic Mirror, September, 1893

"Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters."...C. F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons.

"The observance of Sunday by the Prostestants is an homage they pay in spite of themselves to the authority of the Catholic Church." ...Plain Talk for Protestants, page 213.

"And hallow My Sabbaths; and they shall be a SIGN between Me and you, that ye may know that I am the Lord your God." Ezekiel 20:20


AN OFFER

" I have repeatedly offered $1000 to anyone who can prove to me from teh Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible."..Priest T. Enright, Css R., Kansas City, Mo
Thank you for posting this. We all should humbly take everything to our Father in prayer, for no one will answer for us on that day we have to give account for how we used the life He gave us.
 
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Jesus fulfilled every bit or none...that's His clear words...and everyone of those things you claim He did not fulfill...you are just wrong!
If everything on that list had been fulfiled we would all know about it.
 
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If everything on that list had been fulfiled we would all know about it.
no! even the Jews (blinded by the law) had no clue who He was or that the scriptures where all about Him....I promise you some of us do know these things...but some cant know because they are blinded by the law!

2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

because you cant see it? Jesus words are wrong? Explain how He could be wrong?
 
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no! even the Jews (blinded by the law) had no clue who He was or that the scriptures where all about Him....I promise you some of us do know these things...but some cant know because they are blinded by the law!

2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
If my dead relatives were resurrected like it says in Ezekiel 37 I would notice.
 
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...what you are trying to teach? ...
are you breaking the law? or teaching it? or is there no law to break ?

it it really so confusing, that whoever you obey, they are your god or God ?

there are two kingdoms. God's, and hasatan's. Everyone is in hasatan's deception to start with, even believers.

Everyone serves God, or serves hasatan. There is no in between.

Those who serve God, do so by grace and faith in Jesus, and do what God says to do willingly and joyously.

Those who serve hasatan, do naturally what hasatan wants them to do, they have no choice.
 
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This is really pretty simple...read these words and figure out why we don't keep the Sabbath according to the letter but according to the Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ who is the fulfillment of the Sabbath ...as the bible clearly says in evident words!

Ac 20:7 ¶ And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Ro 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth
 
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are you breaking the law? or teaching it? or is there no law to break ?

it it really so confusing, that whoever you obey, they are your god or God ?

there are two kingdoms. God's, and hasatan's. Everyone is in hasatan's deception to start with, even believers.

Everyone serves God, or serves hasatan. There is no in between.

Those who serve God, do so by grace and faith in Jesus, and do what God says to do willingly and joyously.

Those who serve hasatan, do naturally what hasatan wants them to do, they have no choice.
We serve God in the newness of the Spirit...not in the oldness of the letter.... we are not under the law...it has been abolished for those in Christ.

Ga 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.