Puzzled, Why Not Talk to God About the Sabbath?

Jeff_56 · Dec 27, 2014

yes, without seeing a whole lot more, I think that is true (you would notice).

but, realize, Jesus said a lot about those who never can notice anything true. the world cannot grasp even the simplest part of the kingdom of God, nor of truth - it is not obtained by the mind of the flesh.

and, Jesus says, even if someone came back from the dead, they would not listen nor hear. Jesus says, that if they would not hear Him and listen to Him, then they also could not understand Scripture.

Jesus goes on and says that if they would not listen to Moses, they also could not listen to the MESSIAH, because Moses spoke of the MESSIAH. Jesus says if they listened to Moses, then they also would listen to MESSIAH YESHUA.

there is a veil, a blindness, (that can only be removed by the Creator, and no one else), the veil and the blindness remains as long as there is no repentance from sin, as long as there is no seeking the Truth, the Creator, to honor Him.

EbalT5 said:

Jeff_56 · Dec 27, 2014

good, so far. if someone has faith in JESUS, who do they obey - JESUS, the flesh, or hasatan ?

(I agree that without faith in Jesus it is impossible to please God and to be saved.)

according to all of Scripture, and all the covenants OT and NT, EVERYONE OBEYS SOMEONE. there is no exception.

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Mitspa · Dec 27, 2014

Ga 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

Ga 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Jeff_56 · Dec 27, 2014

I didn't ask who you are justified by, or how, if at all. I asked who do you obey ? regardless of if you are justified or not.

Mitspa · Dec 27, 2014

Jeff_56 said:

You guys are not in faith...the law is not of faith and you have fallen from grace and are cutoff from Christ...if you ever was in grace...are any of you born-again by the Spirit of God?

Mitspa · Dec 27, 2014

Jeff_56 said:

I obey Jesus Christ and his gospel that clearly teaches we serve God by the Spirit and not by the written code of the law...its called the obedience of faith...and the law is not of faith!

Jeff_56 · Dec 27, 2014

okay, in the obedience by faith, do you commit adultery or refrain from committing adultery ?

I refrain from committing adultery,( in my heart as well as outwardly) by living faith(God's Gift) in Jesus; and by the washing of His Word and indwelling Word i am set apart to Him and kept from the power of the world; and by the blood of the LAMB OF GOD i was and remain set free from the power of sin.

Jeff_56 · Dec 27, 2014

oh, yes.... don't forget ananias and saphira.....

they were immersed members in ekklesia , meeting with all the ekklesia as everyone else immersed in Yeshua did ,

and so they were probably openly saying like the others that they had faith in YESHUA,

LIVING BY FAITH AS WAS THE WHOLE COMMUNITY AT THE TIME THERE,

and God killed them dead. Why ? No one ever disputed(in Scripture) that they had faith in Yeshua).

so why did God kill them dead ? (right there in front of everyone to see)

EbalT5 · Dec 27, 2014

Isaiah 66

For just as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I make will endure before Me,” declares the Lord,
“So your offspring and your name will endure.
“And it shall be from new moon to new moon
And from sabbath to sabbath,
All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.
[SUP] [/SUP]“Then they will go forth and look
On the corpses of the men
Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm will not die
And their fire will not be quenched;
And they will be an abhorrence to all mankind.”

Karraster · Dec 28, 2014

my quote function is not working at the moment---Mitspa wrote:

Ga 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
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Please Mitspa, do some research as to whom was Paul speaking. Would you say our Creator, the eternal being that spoke all things into existence, gave instructions and examples that were "weak and beggarly"? Or is it possible Paul was addressing weak and beggarly elements of paganism that this group he was addressing had fallen back into?

4enlightment · Dec 28, 2014

EbalT5 said:

Yes, I try my best not to steal, but at times I accidentally walk off with someones pen at times because i have forgotten to give it back, but it was never was my intentions. But when we are under grace which means that we must do the acts of grace, like showing mercy.

Apostol2013 · Dec 28, 2014

the sabbath 7th day is sacred as well as the first also being a high sabbath

Jeff_56 · Dec 28, 2014

the first day of the week is hardly ever, if ever, any kind of sabbath.(in Scripture).

check with the Jews in Jerusalem if you care to know when high sabbaths are.

the high sabbath most well known was the day after the Messiah was crucified.

4enlightment · Dec 28, 2014

EbalT5 said:

The Sabbath was made for us, because we need a period in our life to rest so that the body can rejuvenate and during that time we should be focusing on God to get to know Him better, because the devil like to keep us busy to stay lost so that we can't get to know Him and ourselves. If a person is deprived from sleep, they doesn't think rationally and that is what a lot of con-artists use that tactic, to make sure you doesn't come to your senses. Like what Pharaoh was trying to do with the Hebrews, he didn't wanted them to come to their senses and realizes that there are many Hebrews and less Egyptians and which the Hebrews could of have overpower the Egyptians, and so he had sent out Task-masters.

Word_Swordsman · Dec 28, 2014

Hosea 2:11 (KJV) [SUP]11 [/SUP] I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.

That happened to Israel, Ezekiel having also said the sabbaths were profaned. That curse carried over into Jesus' day, until today, and until His Second Coming.

Ezekiel 23:38 (KJV) [SUP]38 [/SUP] Moreover this they have done unto me: they have defiled my sanctuary in the same day, and have profaned my sabbaths.

Jesus said it. Matthew 12:5-8 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

At that time the sabbaths were still profaned. There is no New Covenant commandment to join in keeping the Jew's profaned sabbaths. It will remain profaned until Jesus returns.

Paul made it clear we can choose or reject any day of the week. Romans 14:5-6 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Meanwhile, none of us is subject to being judged over any religious day. Colossians 2:16-17 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

In Acts 15 the apostles squared off with the Jews, deciding what of Judaism would be required of gentiles. Keeping any holy day was not added to the list.

SDA is a cult religion seeking to bring us back under the withered law which Christ abolished on the cross. It has been replaced by His law of life and liberty.

MrsRoseTreasure · Dec 28, 2014

Mitspa said:

None of this is constitutes a commandment to override the Sabbath. Three of them are examples of when people worked on the Sabbath, so they are void. (1 CO 16:2, and John 20:1, Luke 24:1), and four of them are incidental mentions of the first day. You have not shown a commandment that the Sabbath is now Sunday, but you have helped prove the point of the OP, I think, if that was your objective. Shrug.

MrsRoseTreasure · Dec 28, 2014

Word_Swordsman said:

Not all Sabbath keepers are SDA. That's just an ignorant thing to say.

Let's talk about your scriptures.

Hosea: He's talking about the sacking of the temple. You've applied a wrong context to this prophecy.

Ezekiel: Taken out of context. The prophet is declaring the doom of the priests who have profaned the Sabbath. You seem to be advocating profaning the Sabbath. I'm not sure why you tried to use this one except to defend your own sin.

Matthew: Messiah doesn't say the Sabbath is profaned, he says the priests have profaned the Temple and the Sabbath. You're putting words in his mouth. He is speaking against their profaning of the Sabbath, not advocating that everyone should do it.

Romans: Taking Paul's words out of contexts will only twist a believer to their own destruction. Paul is talking about judging one another, and pointing fingers and blaming over petty matters: "Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way." Since he was a Sabbath keeping Jew, he would never have advocated that new believers should profane the Sabbath. Shame on you for accusing him of sin.

I'm going to break down Colossians for you: Colossians 2:16-17 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, (Because Yehudim were not to eat unclean foods as the pagans did) or in drink (or drink wine offered to other gods, and strong spirit), or in respect of an holyday (the Holy Feast days, which are detailed in the Torah), or of the new moon (also designated in the Torah), or of the sabbath days: (in other words, don't let others JUDGE YOU because you do these things and they don't.)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. (The Holy Feast days and Sabbaths are rehearsals for future, prophetic events. They are "shadow" pictures of what is to come. By obeying the feasts, Sabbaths, and new moons, one is prepared for the prophetic events, and will not find their lamps lacking oil.)

Your bigotry against others who have set aside their egos and humbly accepted the true teaching of the word displays your own stiff-necked arrogant and unwilling spirit. I pray the Holy Spirit work inside of you, and help you overcome the limitations of your flesh and bring you to the greater understanding your King wants you to have, so that you can walk even closer with him daily.

Kerry · Dec 28, 2014

Matt 11
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Jesus is the Sabbath. He is our rest.

FIRE_of_ELIJAH · Dec 28, 2014

RememberTheSabbathDay said:

Tell me, Lord, do you have a special day of rest for your followers or is every day alike?
"I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day."Revelation 1:10

But which day is the Lord's Day? Which day are you Lord of?
"The Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath day." Matt. 12:8

There are seven days in the week. Which day is the Sabbath day?
"The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God." Fourth Commandment (Exodus 20:8)

Which day, according to our reckoning, is the seventh day, Saturday or Sunday?
"And when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene and Mary, the mother of James,...very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun...And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man...And he saith unto them, be not affrightened; Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified; He is risen." Mark 16:1-6. (Note everybody knows that Sunday was the resurrection day. The Sabbath was past when it dawned. Thus it is evident that the Sabbath is Saturday, the day before Sunday.)

But, Lord, didn't you abolish the law which contains the Sabbath Commandment?
"Do not suppose that I have come to do away with the law or the prophets. I have not come to do away with them, but to fulfill them." Matthew 5:17

Well, at least, didn't you change one of the Commandments so that today your followers may keep another day?
"I tell you, as long as heaven and earth endure, not one dotting of an i or crossing of a t will be dropped from the law until it is all observed." Matthew 5:18

But, Lord isn't Saturday a Jewish Day? Isn't the seventh day the Sabbath of the Jews?
"The Sabbath was made for man." Mark 2:27 (The Sabbath was made and given to man 2500 years before the existence of a Jew. See Genesis 2:1-3

Someone told me that after your crucifixion, your followers no longer kept the seventh-day Sabbath according to the Commandment. Is this true?
"And that day was the Pr3eparation day and the Sabbath drew on. And the women also which came with Him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the Sepulchre, and how His body was laid. And they returned and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment." Luke 23:54-56.

But didn't the Apostle Paul always meet with the early Christians on Sunday in honor of the Resurrection?
"And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three Sabbath days reasoned with them our of the Scriptures." Acts 17:2

Perhaps he met with the Jews on the Sabbath and the Gentiles on Sunday. What about that?
"And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks." Acts 18:4

What did Paul teach in regard to the Sabbath keeping?
"There therefore remaineth a keeping of the Sabbath (margin) to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works as God did from His." Hebrews 4:9, 10

But what day did Paul mean when he spoke of resting as God did?
"For He spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all His works." Hebrews 4:4 (In the New Testament there are no less than 59 references to the Sabbath. The book of Acts records 84 Sabbaths on which the Apostle Paul and his associates held religious services. Yet there is not one word in the entire Bible authorizing Sunday keeping.)

Why do so many people keep Sunday instead of Saturday? If the Bible teaches Sabbath keeping, how and by whom was Sunday keeping started?
" And he (the 'little horn' power) shall speak great words against the Most High,...and think to change times and laws." Daniel 7:25

The Roman Catholic Church is the Little Horn of Daniel 7. Does it think it has the power to change the law of God?
"Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionist agree with her; she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day of the week, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority." Stephen Keenan, a RC priest, Doctrinal Catechism, page 174.

When was the change made?
"We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because of the Catholic Church in the Council of Laodicea (364 A.D.) transferred the solemnity, from Saturday to Sunday." Peter Germann, The Converts' Catechism, page 50 (This catechism received the pope's blessing on Jan. 25, 1910.)

Do Protestant ministers agree with this?
CONGREGATIONALIST: "It is quite clear that however rigidly or devotedly we may spend Sunday, we are not keeping the Sabbath." Dr. R. W. Dale, The Ten Commandments, page 106.
METHODIST: "Sabbath in the Hebrew language signifies rest and is the seventh day of the week... and it must be confessed that there is no law in the New Testament concerning the first day." Bucks Theological Dictionary.
BAPTIST: "There was and is a commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was not Sunday. It will be said, however, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh to the first day of the week...Where can the record of such a transfer be found? Not in the New Testament--absolutely not...Of course, I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history...But what a pity that it comes branded with the mark of paganism,, and christened with the name of the sun god, when adopted and sanctioned by the Papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism." Dr. E. T. Hoscox, author of the Baptist Manuel.

What difference does it make which day I keep? A day is a day, isn't it?
"Know ye not that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?" Romans 6:16

Then what shall I do, oey the Sabbath of God's Commandment or keep the Sunday of man?
"We ought to obey God rather than men." Acts 5:29

Well, Lord what do you think of Sunday keeping?
"Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition...But in vain they do worship Me, teaching the doctrines the commandments of men." Matthew 15:6, 9

But surely the millions of people who keep Sunday can't be wrong, can they?
"Enter ye in at the strait gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction and many there be wiich go in thereat: because strait is the gate and narrow is the way that leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matthew 7:13,14. (Only a few obeyed God in the days of Noah, in the days of Lot, in the days of Christ. The majority were lost.)

But Dr. So-And-So is a very wise man: Why doesn't he and all the great preachers keep the Sabbath?
"For ye see your calling, brethern, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called; but God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty." 1 Corinthians 1:26, 27 (Note: The great religious teachers in Christ's day rejected the truth also. His followers were of common people.)

But I have accepted Jesus. He has accepted me and I have been keeping Sunday. Surely I would not be lost if I did not keep the Sabbath now, would I?
"The times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent." Acts 17:30

I know you Lord, you wouldn't condemn me for breaking the Sabbath, would you?
"He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." 1 John 2:4

But isn't it sufficient that I love the Lord and live by the law of love?
"If ye love Me, Keep My commandments." John 14:15

Does that mean all ten of them?
"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." James 2:10

Well, I think that if we try to follow Jesus, that is all that is necessary. Isn't that right?
"He that saith he abideth in Him, ought himself also so to walk, even as He walked." 1 John 2:6

What was your custom regarding the Sabbath?
"And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and, as was His custom, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and stood up for to read." Luke 4:16

But Lord that was over 1900 years ago. Wouldn't you keep some other day than Saturday if you should come to earth today?
"I am the Lord, I change not." Malachi 3:6. "Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, and today, and forever." Hebrews 13:8

Does my salvation depend upon my obedience to your Commandments?
"And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him." Hebrews 5:9.

Is it absolutely necessary to keep the Commandments to receive Eternal Life?
"If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Matthew 19:17

But I still can't see why You insist on the seventh day, Lord. Isn't Sunday as good as Saturday?
"God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it." Genesis 2:3. "He hath blessed and I cannot reverse it." Numbers. 23:20. "For Thou blessest, O Lord, and it shall be blessed for ever." 1 Chron. 17:27.

Well, it seems to me that if I keep one day in seven, regardless of which one, that ought to be good enough.
"There is a way that seemth right unto a man; but the end thereof are the ways death." Proverbs 16:25. "Spiritual things...are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:13, 14

But, Lord! Can't I do something else? Won't my prayers and my profession get me to heaven?
"Not every one that saith unto Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven." Matthew 7:21

But I pray.
"He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination." Proverbs 28:9.

But, Lord, look at the people who work miracles. Some heal the sick, others talk in tongues; yet they do not keep the Sabbath. What about them?
"Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? And in Thy name have cast out devils? And in Thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: Depart from Me." Matthew 7:22,23.

Yes, I know the Sabbath is right; but my business would suffer if I closed on Sabbath. I might lose my job.
"For what shall it profit a man if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Mark 8:36

Well, for myself I wouldn't care; but what about my family? Wouldn't it be better for me to work on the Sabbath than to let my family starve?
"Your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things; but seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." Matthew 6:32, 33. "I have not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread." Psalms 37:25

My friends will laugh at me and ridicule me.
"Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you,...and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely for My sake, rejoice, and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven." Matthew 5:11, 12. "If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you." John 15:18

But suppose my own family does not agree with me. Should I cause a division in my home?
"He that loveth father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me: And he that loveth son or daughter more than Me is not worth of Me: And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after Me is not worth of Me." Matthew 10:37, 38. "So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be My disciple." Luke 14:33

I am afraid I won't be able to withstand all these trials. I am too weak.
"My grace is sufficient for thee: for My strength is made perfect in weakness....When I am weak, I am strong." 2 Corinthians 12:9, 10. "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.: Philippians4:13

Then, Lord, what is the reward for being faithful to you nd the Commandments?
"There is no man that hat left house, or parents, or brethern, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake, who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come, life everlasting." Luke 18:29, 30. "Blessed are they that do His commandments that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." Revelation 22:14

Lord, I'm looking forward to a home in the earth made new, will we keep the Sabbath there, too?
"For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make shall remain before Me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain; and it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another shall all flesh come to worship before Me, saith the Lord." Isaiah 66:22, 23

Then, Lord, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. With your help, I will keep the Sabbath.
"Well done, good and faithful servant." Matthew 25:21

WHICH MARK WILL YOU RECEIVE?

"The Catholic Church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."....Catholic Mirror, September, 1893

"Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters."...C. F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons.

"The observance of Sunday by the Prostestants is an homage they pay in spite of themselves to the authority of the Catholic Church." ...Plain Talk for Protestants, page 213.

"And hallow My Sabbaths; and they shall be a SIGN between Me and you, that ye may know that I am the Lord your God." Ezekiel 20:20

AN OFFER

" I have repeatedly offered $1000 to anyone who can prove to me from teh Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible."..Priest T. Enright, Css R., Kansas City, Mo

Well written post with complete evidence and verses. However, It doesn't make any sense !!!!! The question is " CAN WE BE SAVED BY THE LAW ? " Let the Bible has the Final answer below !!!!

(Ephesians 2:8-9)--"For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast."
(Rom. 3:20, 28)--"because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin . . . For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law."
(Galatians 2:16)--"nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."

case closed !!!!

Kerry · Dec 28, 2014

We go to church because we want to go and be in the presence of God in corporate worship not because we are commanded to go as if were penance or a chore.

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