Puzzled, Why Not Talk to God About the Sabbath?

Word_Swordsman · Dec 28, 2014

Jesus issued all new commandments for His followers. His apostles did what Jesus said would happen, being taught more by the Holy Spirit. Altogether they formed a whole New Covenant, not based on the old. The old pointed to the new. The new relates to the old because the old prophesied of the new.

Not one New Covenant scripture has any commanding any holy day for Christians. There is no place for assuming any holy day of Judaism carried over to Christians, especially gentiles that have absolutely no connection to the old law, but are in Christ, their sabbath rest, who would be the Jew's fulfilled sabbath rest.

Word_Swordsman · Dec 28, 2014

Once a prophecy is fulfilled there is no need to keep fulfilling. There is one exception, prophesies with a dual application, dealing with a current issue and a related one long into the future. But a single purpose prophesy, such as the Christ of Isaiah 53 has but one possible fulfillment, which is now history.

As for the Mosaic covenant, Jesus assured He was not to destroy it, but to fulfill it. To fulfill it means to finish it, carry out it's end purpose. Paul wrote that the law served as a schoolmaster, preparing Israel to identify the Messiah, Jesus Christ. Once identified there was and is no reason to keep looking for His advent. He came with a better covenant.

There is an ordinance Jesus installed, keeping of the remembrance of Him, which replaced the remembrance of the day God rested after creation week. When setting that ordinance, He first observed the Jewish Passover meal. Then He introduced the fulfillment of that with acts that went far beyond those of the traditional Passover meal. So even Judaism's Passover is over with as far as Jesus is concerned.

Anyone is free to respect such things of the old covenant, but no trust ought to rest on any of them.

As for the law of Moses, Jesus made it clear His new commandments, attested to by the apostles, fulfilled the law and the prophets. His are superior to the old commandments. That was the great division of the two covenants, the old (ratified by the blood of animals) being set aside, the new activated (ratified) by His blood.

Word_Swordsman · Dec 28, 2014

DiscipleDave said:

i have made a vow to God 12 years ago, not to work on a Sunday, Which at that time i thought was Sunday.
i have not worked on a Sunday for over 12 years now. NOT because i am keeping the Sabbath, but because i made a vow to God, and i am going to keep it.
Jesus, nor any Apostle ever instructed us to continue to Keep the Sabbath
Those verses that people use to say we are i have addressed in my article concerning Keeping the Sabbath.

God Bless

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I didn't find a "Like" to click on so am admiring your post this way.

Mitspa · Dec 28, 2014

Hey ole Swordsman ... you really live up to your forum name! I don't impress too easy but I know the real thing when I see it..

Word_Swordsman · Dec 28, 2014

Jeff_56 said:

"well, God's Word says so many times to keep, honor, and observe the Sabbath; and gentiles as well as Jews all did, including visitors to the Jews, and slaves, and animals,"

WHERE in the NEW covenant does it repeat that? Of course the Jews were targets of that. They failed to keep honoring that. Also, how were animals to keep such commandments? Gentile slaves? If any did comply it was by force, life or death.

"it is one of the ten words of yahweh, that he himself wrote on the stone with his own finger of fire(double check this),
and Jesus always observed the Sabbath perfectly, (not like the talmudic keepers, who instituted man's traditions over and above Yahweh's Word),"

Which Moses broke into pieces. Israel almost continually rejected those words. Had God inscribed on stone all His commandments it would have amounted to a hill of stones. In our own military there are the "General Orders", but those are backed up by a library of specific orders. If all a soldier obeys are those ten taught in basic training he/she will find himself/herself adrift in uncertainty.

There was no distinction between those words on stone tablets and what the Holy Spirit emphasized in Acts 15. What mattered was the word preserved by God in Acts 15. Let the Jews perish while leaning upon the violated commandments of Moses, according to their own hearts. Let the Christians honor Jesus Christ, and follow the instructions of His apostles.

"and Jesus taught all of His disciples likewise, by Word, and by THE WORD, and by example, never deviating from doing the word; never deviating from doing what ABBA SAYS to do. (i.e. not just a hearer only, but a doer of ALL that Yahweh says to do, always in line with ALL TORAH, not picking a little here/a little there to observe)."

You say Jesus 'never deviated from Moses' in so many words. Jesus repeated Moses with Matthew 5:27 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

Well, Jesus took it far beyond Moses, deviating from Moses. Moses dealt with the physical act. Jesus dealt with the soul realm. Matthew 5:28 (KJV) [SUP]28 [/SUP] But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

You won't find Moses saying that!

Apostol2013 · Dec 28, 2014

Jeff_56 said:

actually the first day of the week of passover is a high sabbath and the first day of sabbaton is the day of the lord

Apostol2013 · Dec 28, 2014

now the first day of sabbaton is a high sabbath instated when our lord rose from the dead

Word_Swordsman · Dec 28, 2014

Apostol2013 said:

High sabbaths came specially, not weekly. Thanks for pointing that out.

Word_Swordsman · Dec 28, 2014

Mitspa said:

As much as possible I attempt to only pass on the word of God, with my own commentary as apparently needed for those not studying it well enough. I'm passing that on to our Lord Jesus. He is the one who will bless you for comprehending that word.

phil112 · Dec 28, 2014

RememberTheSabbathDay said:

How many times does He have to say something to you for you to listen? You have done a copy and paste of goodness knows what from who (I am not about to read that drivel) yet you reject what Paul told you about it. Paul, whom God chose from his mothers womb. Tell me, exactly what is the logic in taking someone's word that you've been taught in error over a man that God chose to give you a message directly?

Karraster · Dec 28, 2014

"If because of the sabbath, you turn your foot From doing your own pleasure on My holy day, And call the sabbath a delight, the holy day of the LORD honorable, And honor it, desisting from your own ways, From seeking your own pleasure And speaking your own word, 14Then you will take delight in the LORD, And I will make you ride on the heights of the earth; And I will feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father, For the mouth of the LORD has spoken."

4enlightment · Dec 28, 2014

Apostol2013 said:

The High Sabbath is Jubilee and on that day God comes to see if the people has followed what He has ordered them to do. On that day, they are suppose to forgive everyones debt or offense that they had done unto them; but they only forgiven little when they only released Barabbas before that day, but they didn't release everyone else like they suppose to and so God has forgiven them little. And so if anyone still wants the Sabbath to stay, they better start learning how to forgive a lot. The Sabbaths isn't easy to follow and so everyone should better just stick to the rule of washing their hand before they eat, and now that is simple.

Luke 7:47 Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven—as her great love has shown. But whoever has been forgiven little loves little.”

The Jubilee (Hebrew yovel יובל) year is the year at the end of seven cycles of shmita (Sabbatical years), and according to Biblical regulations had a special impact on the ownership and management of land in the Land of Israel; there is some debate whether it was the 49th year (the last year of seven sabbatical cycles, referred to as the Sabbath's Sabbath), or whether it was the following (50th) year. Jubilee deals largely with land, property, and property rights. According to Leviticus, slaves and prisoners would be freed, debts would be forgiven and the mercies of God would be particularly manifest. Leviticus 25:8-13 states: Jubilee (biblical) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Karraster · Dec 28, 2014

"We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because of the Catholic Church in the Council of Laodicea (364 A.D.) transferred the solemnity, from Saturday to Sunday." Peter Germann, The Converts' Catechism, page 50 (This catechism received the pope's blessing on Jan. 25, 1910.)

Mitspa · Dec 28, 2014

Karraster said:

That's a fairy tale of the SDA church...I have already posted many scripture that prove beyond doubt that the Apostles and the first church would meet on the first day of the week... Because we are not under the law! And the Lord was raised on the first day of the week...and that is the true Sabbath.

ELECT · Dec 28, 2014

DiscipleDave said:

i have made a vow to God 12 years ago, not to work on a Sunday, Which at that time i thought was Sunday.
i have not worked on a Sunday for over 12 years now. NOT because i am keeping the Sabbath, but because i made a vow to God, and i am going to keep it.
Jesus, nor any Apostle ever instructed us to continue to Keep the Sabbath
Those verses that people use to say we are i have addressed in my article concerning Keeping the Sabbath.

God Bless

^i^

Did the ten commandments exist before Mt Sinai ?

ELECT · Dec 28, 2014

Karraster said:

"If because of the sabbath, you turn your foot From doing your own pleasure on My holy day, And call the sabbath a delight, the holy day of the LORD honorable, And honor it, desisting from your own ways, From seeking your own pleasure And speaking your own word, 14Then you will take delight in the LORD, And I will make you ride on the heights of the earth; And I will feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father, For the mouth of the LORD has spoken."

Was God talking to the Jews or Gentiles ?

ELECT · Dec 28, 2014

Mitspa said:

Could you please provide scripture that Jesus rose the first day thus honuoring the day of His resurrection ? thanks

Karraster · Dec 28, 2014

ELECT said:

any who want to be grafted in. Replacement theology is man made.

ELECT · Dec 28, 2014

Karraster said:

So way back then Gentiles were always include and when they were had to obey the law as the Jews ?

Mitspa · Dec 28, 2014

ELECT said:

Well I have posted it about two or three times on this thread...but ill do it again because I like you

Mt 28:1 ¶ In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher.
Mr 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mr 16:9 ¶ Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Lu 24:1 ¶ Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
Joh 20:1 ¶ The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Joh 20:19 ¶ Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Ac 20:7 ¶ And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

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