Puzzled, Why Not Talk to God About the Sabbath?

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Mitspa

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VCO says:{NOTICE: No mention of which day to worship.}


Ya know, when I was researching all the info I could on why and when the day was changed, just what you said may have been the clincher. Imagine, a law punishable by death was done away with, and no mention, not even a peep. Now if that had been changed, the eternal covenant, there would have been some noise. But what I say is not for you VCO, it is for anyone reading here that is beginning to realize we have inherited many lies. I just want the truth, and thank the Almighty when it's found! Praise His Name, things that were whispered will be shouted from the mountaintops!

When you love the truth, you can never get enough of it.
I cant believe im reading this...was the Cross of Jesus Christ a "peep" to you...is the whole of the New Testament that explains the purpose of the law and how its fulfilled in Christ a "peep" to you?
 
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Mitspa

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Messiah obeyed His Father perfectly, and if you have Messiah in you, that spirit will guide to to obey what is written. It's the impersonator spirit that contradicts what Messiah taught.
What part of love does not fulfill the law? Its those under the written code that break the law..not those who walk in the Spirit and love.
 
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Mitspa

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Ga 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Ga 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith
 
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Karraster

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I cant believe im reading this...was the Cross of Jesus Christ a "peep" to you...is the whole of the New Testament that explains the purpose of the law and how its fulfilled in Christ a "peep" to you?
Twisting my words won't accomplish anything. Why waste so much time by doing it?
 
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Karraster

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What part of love does not fulfill the law? Its those under the written code that break the law..not those who walk in the Spirit and love.
Our Creator defines what love is, and how to achieve it, and what it looks like. How to love Him, and how to love others.
 
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ELECT

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Read them all and its clear "it was the first day of the week" Don't have to try to spilt hairs! its clear!
Please not the first day did not arrive as yet which is at sunset thus they all were talking on the 7th day as it was coming to a close yet the angel is saying while talking on the 7th day that Jesus is not in the tomb
He is risen come see the play where the Lord lay the first day did not come it was going towards the first day at sunset
 
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ELECT

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I cant believe im reading this...was the Cross of Jesus Christ a "peep" to you...is the whole of the New Testament that explains the purpose of the law and how its fulfilled in Christ a "peep" to you?
What does it mean by fulfilled ? is it the law ended ?
 
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Karraster

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Ga 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Ga 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith
There is no argument here. Messiah is our example, He said to follow Him. Doesn't that mean to do as He says? Or is doing what He says Legalism?
 

Grandpa

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Romans 8:1-5
[SUP]1[/SUP]There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

What the flesh does or does not do is not what is pleasing to God. The flesh is not able to keep Gods Perfect Law. The flesh trying to keep His Law is what should lead a person to understand that they can't do it and they need a saviour and a better way. A better way than flesh that fails, constantly. Thankfully, we have the Lord Jesus Christ, the better Way.

But those that are after the flesh mind the things of the flesh. Those that are after the Spirit mind the things of the Spirit.

In Galatians we are told that the Law is our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. But after we have come to Christ we are no longer under the Law. That is because when we come to Christ we recieve Rest. And this Rest is His Holy Spirit which is what keeps His Perfect Law, not our lustful flesh and carnal mind.
 
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ELECT

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Ga 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Ga 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith
What commandment in the ten can one find curses ?
 
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passinthru

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In light of this thread would someone care to discuss Hebrews 4? Sabbath Rest...should I post the chapter here?
 
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ELECT

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Read them all and its clear "it was the first day of the week" Don't have to try to spilt hairs! its clear!
[h=1]Mark 16:1-6King James Version (KJV)[/h]16 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

Mark's account. (Mark 16:1-6) Read it carefully in your Bible. Notice that these women came to anoint the body of Jesus on the first day of the week "at the rising of the sun". When they arrived, they found the stone rolled away from the door of the sepulcher. Jesus was already risen; He was not there. An empty tomb at sunrise Sunday morning is NOT PROOF that he arose that morning.
 
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ELECT

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Romans 8:1-5
[SUP]1[/SUP]There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

What the flesh does or does not do is not what is pleasing to God. The flesh is not able to keep Gods Perfect Law. The flesh trying to keep His Law is what should lead a person to understand that they can't do it and they need a saviour and a better way. A better way than flesh that fails, constantly. Thankfully, we have the Lord Jesus Christ, the better Way.

But those that are after the flesh mind the things of the flesh. Those that are after the Spirit mind the things of the Spirit.

In Galatians we are told that the Law is our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. But after we have come to Christ we are no longer under the Law. That is because when we come to Christ we recieve Rest. And this Rest is His Holy Spirit which is what keeps His Perfect Law, not our lustful flesh and carnal mind.
The the ten commadment were not the school master
 
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passinthru

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What does it mean by fulfilled ? is it the law ended ?
He fulfilled the Law as the Lamb of God. Jesus spilled his blood for you and I. The blood of animals was a shadow of things to come (Jesus). The blood of bulls and goats may have covered sin but jesus ' blood washed it away if we can accept his sacrifice that he did for us. We need to accept Him alone as our savior as the only work required. Accept by FAITH which is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. the plan was set up by a loving God with the LAW OF OLD BEING A SCHOOLMASTER TO TEACH US THAT WE CANNOT DO IT ON OUR OWN. Jesus did it for us being tempeted in every way we are but yet without sin. The plan of salvation is accepted by faith and provided by grace. Not by works lest any man may boast. Works happen and good ones too but they are a product of salvation not a way to it. Do not be deceived !!!!
 
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ELECT

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He fulfilled the Law as the Lamb of God. Jesus spilled his blood for you and I. The blood of animals was a shadow of things to come (Jesus). The blood of bulls and goats may have covered sin but jesus ' blood washed it away if we can accept his sacrifice that he did for us. We need to accept Him alone as our savior as the only work required. Accept by FAITH which is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. the plan was set up by a loving God with the LAW OF OLD BEING A SCHOOLMASTER TO TEACH US THAT WE CANNOT DO IT ON OUR OWN. Jesus did it for us being tempeted in every way we are but yet without sin. The plan of salvation is accepted by faith and provided by grace. Not by works lest any man may boast. Works happen and good ones too but they are a product of salvation not a way to it. Do not be deceived !!!!
Was the ten commamdment a shadow of anything ?
When was the ten first introduced ?
 
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Karraster

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He fulfilled the Law as the Lamb of God. Jesus spilled his blood for you and I. The blood of animals was a shadow of things to come (Jesus). The blood of bulls and goats may have covered sin but jesus ' blood washed it away if we can accept his sacrifice that he did for us. We need to accept Him alone as our savior as the only work required. Accept by FAITH which is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. the plan was set up by a loving God with the LAW OF OLD BEING A SCHOOLMASTER TO TEACH US THAT WE CANNOT DO IT ON OUR OWN. Jesus did it for us being tempeted in every way we are but yet without sin. The plan of salvation is accepted by faith and provided by grace. Not by works lest any man may boast. Works happen and good ones too but they are a product of salvation not a way to it. Do not be deceived !!!!
Messiah said, your faith has made you whole...now go and sin no more.

Do you disagree?
 
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passinthru

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Was the ten commamdment a shadow of anything ?
When was the ten first introduced ?
Excuse me I was speaking of the law not the ten comandments. However if we love God and have truly accepted Jesus we will do well with the ten comandments. If OR WHEN we slip we have an advocate in Him. But isn't this thread about the sabbath?