me being an atheist

[Kakashi]

But how i understand it, a law in science says HOW something works and a theory says WHY some sort of phenomena works. As in it takes together several laws and explains how they work together in a complex system. Gravity being a law, something you can plan and observe and put an equation to whereas evolution isn't some equation you can just put together and prove hands down, but rather something you try to put together from other laws we have and say " This is WHY evolutions exist because of the way these laws work" Something to that effect. Which is why i said evolution is a theory and not a law. Makes sense to me. Not saying it's just a silly guess, bur rather an educated understanding of WHY this is how things work. I just disagree with them.

Correct me if i am wrong about these definitions.

Yes, that is a picture of me lol.

 

[oopsies]

i was kinda saying what if god reappered to the people or the second comeing of jesus and it wouldnt really matter what you show my opion will be the same i still wont follow

I'm so confused. Let's assume that it happens today. Are you saying that you would believe that God is real but you still wouldn't follow? But if that's the case and you believe that God is real, then you would also know what would happen if you don't follow. But you would still decide not to follow? I just don't get it. If at that time when you believe that God is real and you know that not following means eternal suffering, you still wouldn't follow and choose eternal suffering? Do you sort of understand my question?

 

[EnochxGenesis]

u a true atheist? not believing in ANY power? (not even laws of nature, electricity...?)

and if you need to explain why you are an atheist, you do the same as we d, you preach atheism, your own "religion"

Atheist just means you don't believe in a God, in fact you can be am atheist and still believe in supernatural type things

 

[EnochxGenesis]

the poem is not ment to say what u should do and why is jus saying what both others and then says why that person chose to be an atheist i belive i cant say there is a god or that there are no god becuase i dont have the answers to the universe i belive that no one really does and like i said if your god does appear i wont follow him because i dont belive what he did was right

That's not atheist, that's agnosticism, btw all of your talking points sound like regurgitated ideas.

you give me the impression of a 12 year old trying to be adult, and philosophical.

 

[EnochxGenesis]

so if you just said there no way to prove either why even try and be honest and say i dont know

You aren't going to talk about evidence, or the scientific method? The difference between theory and guessing? Deductive reasoning? Human error?

you don't argue very well, especially for someone who comes looking to argue

 

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You aren't going to talk about evidence, or the scientific method? The difference between theory and guessing? Deductive reasoning? Human error?

you don't argue very well, especially for someone who comes looking to argue

He wasn't arguing at the beginning though... people just pounced on him...

 

[kittykatt]

Poor kid =\

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Atheist just means you don't believe in a God, in fact you can be am atheist and still believe in supernatural type things

I've heard so many poeple say that atheism is believing nothing and agnosticism is not believing in God , but I guess they could be wrong

 

[iraasuup]

atheist doesnt mean we dont belive in any power its manily a higher power and it cant be consered a religion because we all are different im not preaching if u read my statement i say there may be a possibilty that there is a god i do not know that i dont have the answer to the universe but if he was real i wouldnt follow him becuase of the things he has done

Ok does anyone else see the flaw in this statement? If not, let me point it out to you all...

He said : i say there may be a possibilty that there is a god i do not know that i dont have the answer to the universe but if he was real i wouldnt follow him becuase of the things he has done[/quote]

Um yeah from my understanding (and do correct me if I'm wrong) but a person who claims to be an 'Athiest' does so, because in their mind, they are ABSOLUTELY certain there is no God. Yet here, he says there may be a possibility....so that being the case, wouldn't you say he falls more under the category of 'Agnostic' rather than 'Athiest'?

An Agnostic (a true one) is not sure, they have doubts, but can't absolutely, postiviely, state there is 'no God' where as (apparently) an 'Athiest' can!

Hmm, seems to me he is questioning the possibility, and is therefore Agnostic, not Athiest.

 

[oopsies]

Poor kid =\

Ya and people are still pounding on him...

 

[firefly1628]

that poem is jus saying what christianty offers and what athesim others and then why that person chose athesim

That poem says nothing about what christianity offers. It makes people feel that christianity is something that fools beleive to breathe easy.

Atheism is mainly disbelief in god or gods and disbelief in any sort of spiritual or supernatural existance.

Agnostic however is more of someone who isnt completely sure whether gods or deities exist and try to use basic reason with ideas of faith (any faith)

If you believe in nothing, like no religion , law, or order it sounds like you are an anarchist.

Not someone who wants there to be a state of chaos, that is a popular misconception, but some one who feels laws boundries and religions are not needed.

DO NOT claim to know christianity enough to paraphrase it in a poem that does it no justice and bashes it.

 

[firefly1628]

Ok does anyone else see the flaw in this statement? If not, let me point it out to you all...

He said : i say there may be a possibilty that there is a god i do not know that i dont have the answer to the universe but if he was real i wouldnt follow him becuase of the things he has done

Um yeah from my understanding (and do correct me if I'm wrong) but a person who claims to be an 'Athiest' does so, because in their mind, they are ABSOLUTELY certain there is no God. Yet here, he says there may be a possibility....so that being the case, wouldn't you say he falls more under the category of 'Agnostic' rather than 'Athiest'?

An Agnostic (a true one) is not sure, they have doubts, but can't absolutely, postiviely, state there is 'no God' where as (apparently) an 'Athiest' can!

Hmm, seems to me he is questioning the possibility, and is therefore Agnostic, not Athiest.[/quote]



wow basically stole the words from my mouth!!!!

Because i am a slow typer(and ADD doing 876756 things at a time) your post wasnt there before i clicked quote!!!!


you made great points!!

 

[Maddog]

Um yeah from my understanding (and do correct me if I'm wrong) but a person who claims to be an 'Athiest' does so, because in their mind, they are ABSOLUTELY certain there is no God. Yet here, he says there may be a possibility....so that being the case, wouldn't you say he falls more under the category of 'Agnostic' rather than 'Athiest'?

An Agnostic (a true one) is not sure, they have doubts, but can't absolutely, postiviely, state there is 'no God' where as (apparently) an 'Athiest' can!

Hmm, seems to me he is questioning the possibility, and is therefore Agnostic, not Athiest.

An atheist is simply someone who doesn't believe in God. It's actually a neutral position, since belief is a positive assent. An agnostic is someone who believes it is imposible to know whether or not there is a God (as in the Greek gnosis meaning 'knowledge').

Since he does not believe in God, he is an atheist. He may or may not be an agnostic as well.

However, lots of atheists take up what seems to be more an anti-theist stance, though this position goes further than the simple definition of atheism.

 

[firefly1628]

An atheist is simply someone who doesn't believe in God. It's actually a neutral position, since belief is a positive assent. An agnostic is someone who believes it is imposible to know whether or not there is a God (as in the Greek gnosis meaning 'knowledge').

Since he does not believe in God, he is an atheist. He may or may not be an agnostic as well.

However, lots of atheists take up what seems to be more an anti-theist stance, though this position goes further than the simple definition of atheism.

atheist doesnt mean we dont belive in any power its manily a higher power and it cant be consered a religion because we all are different im not preaching if u read my statement i say there may be a possibilty that there is a god i do not know that i dont have the answer to the universe but if he was real i wouldnt follow him becuase of the things he has done

Atheists are anti religon, they not only do not believe in God but they are completely against it. They also do NOT believe in any sort of spiritual or supernatural forces, so an atheist would NOT believe in a higher power. Atheism is not neutral it is ANTI.

Agnostics aren't sure if there is a god or not, but have not completely written it off. This is neutral because they are not sure of whether or not things do or do not exist

 

[firefly1628]

Also The term atheism originated from the Greek ἄθεος (atheos), meaning "without gods" as in ANTI god there is absolutely NO neutrality

 

[Maddog]

Atheists are anti religon, they not only do not believe in God but they are completely against it.

The definition of the word does not require any active stance against God. All that is required to be an atheist is disbelief.

They also do NOT believe in any sort of spiritual or supernatural forces, so an atheist would NOT believe in a higher power.

Not necessarily, since we're talking about atheism from theos meaning god.

Atheism is not neutral it is ANTI.

No it's as you said, 'without God'. That's simply a lack of belief in God with no specific stance required by the individual. If they were anti-god then the word would be antitheist. As it happens, many atheists think belief in God and practicing religion (especially Christianity) is a good thing, even though they don't personally believe in God. That's hardly anti.

Agnostics aren't sure if there is a god or not, but have not completely written it off. This is neutral because they are not sure of whether or not things do or do not exist

Specifically, they believe it is impossible to know one way or another. It's not the midway point between theism and atheism, it's rather a separate philosophical concept.

 

[EnochxGenesis]

Also The term atheism originated from the Greek ἄθεος (atheos), meaning "without gods" as in ANTI god there is absolutely NO neutrality

anti means against, you can't be against something you claim doesn't exist.

atheist simply means 'without religion' where as 'antitheist' would mean you are against religion.

 

[zavok]

science says we come from total randomness (the big bang, evolution) random! how could we be? With all these cells and neurons and thoughts... and everything around us! Tnature... the universe!

I think God is more likely than evolution, it makes more sense for there to be a creator than for everything to have happened by chance, and that is how I know there is a God. SOMEONE must have started it all...

soz havent been on doing assigments jus gona comment back to u guys ur first yes the theory of the big bang which resulted in use in over many years is random but isnt that the same with god a being that came out of no where made us this is a pointless argument as they are both random and both do not have support simply saying this one sounds better and is easier to understand doesnt justify it

 

[zavok]

I'm so confused. Let's assume that it happens today. Are you saying that you would believe that God is real but you still wouldn't follow? But if that's the case and you believe that God is real, then you would also know what would happen if you don't follow. But you would still decide not to follow? I just don't get it. If at that time when you believe that God is real and you know that not following means eternal suffering, you still wouldn't follow and choose eternal suffering? Do you sort of understand my question?

yes i do im basicaly saying i dont know how the universe was made and technically no one 100% really does but if the day your god came down and showed him/her self and proved he did make the universe then obviously i would agree that he/she existed becuase hes/shes there but i chose not to follow him becuase of the things hes done and the things he told us to do (orignal bible) so i will follow my own path i know right and wrong and i know what i want to do in life im not going to change becuase he/she is a higher being

 

[zavok]

Ok does anyone else see the flaw in this statement? If not, let me point it out to you all...

He said : i say there may be a possibilty that there is a god i do not know that i dont have the answer to the universe but if he was real i wouldnt follow him becuase of the things he has done

Um yeah from my understanding (and do correct me if I'm wrong) but a person who claims to be an 'Athiest' does so, because in their mind, they are ABSOLUTELY certain there is no God. Yet here, he says there may be a possibility....so that being the case, wouldn't you say he falls more under the category of 'Agnostic' rather than 'Athiest'?

An Agnostic (a true one) is not sure, they have doubts, but can't absolutely, postiviely, state there is 'no God' where as (apparently) an 'Athiest' can!

Hmm, seems to me he is questioning the possibility, and is therefore Agnostic, not Athiest.[/quote]

well if were to read on we figured that out i didnt give myself the title of athesist i didnt even tho there was another category for people who may belive