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A Christian friend once claimed that many children and young people who have read the Harry Potter books; were later Wicca. Is there any research about this from universities or scientists?
 
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A Christian friend once claimed that many children and young people who have read the Harry Potter books; were later Wicca. Is there any research about this from universities or scientists?
That bogus information was spread by some Christians who have no eye for discernment (or using their God-given brain). Really, it was from a satire newspaper and similar sources.
 

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A Christian friend once claimed that many children and young people who have read the Harry Potter books; were later Wicca. Is there any research about this from universities or scientists?

Well, since you've heard both sides, in a nutshell, it is up to the individual to choose what they may or may not believe is right or wrong.
Opinions......can't be argued, I guess? :D God Bless.
 
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Wow? Tintin? Really Brother? Gandalf, makes a simple point. What we personally like is one thing, what we tell others that is okay (just becuase we so happen to like it) and justify it away against Biblical truths is another my man. YOU...may feel that HP can be entertainment, but unfortunately the masses may not have your strong mindset. Remember--Harry Potter is aimed at children with young, impressionable minds. Stories that tell our kids that flying around on broomsticks and using sorcery to fix things is not of the Bible. These things take away from the word and make Christ's miracles seem more like magic to them. Defending our personal likes ( Star Wars, Harry Potter, LOTR ) is one thing, but teaching others that it is okay to like magical places, or "using the force" is another. These things DO NOT have Biblical undertones, and if anything --steer the masses away from Him.
I am afraid there are now more people in the world who follow Lucas...then Jesus.
But look, I am guilty of it all too, BUT I would never tell others to do as I do. I am (or was) a huge Superman fan, but I aware his story is about a "father" who "sent his only son", so that he "may save mankind", yes- another cleverly disguised example of mocking Christ.....if anything, I can not defend liking it, tell others to watch the movies....but pray that I should stop liking it.
Some good points but I think something like Star Wars (which I truly enjoy) is more worrisome for children, than Harry Potter. It's rife with New Age philosophy. That said, I don't think something like Superman tries to mock Christianity (well, not the original anyway). I think it's more that people can't help but tap into God's truth, even non-Christians at times, because they're made in His image and have His Story written on their hearts. Superman was actually a combination of Sampson from the OT and Jesus Christ from the NT. The creators were Jewish.
 
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Well, dear. If your personal convictions now say that these things are not of God, and it's all very "black and white" isn't it your obligation to put a stop to that nickname? I mean it's all well and good to change one's view on things, but if we don't back our act, we, and by extension, our Emanuel are not taken seriously. I find it's also important to remember to come in love when a disagreement over something like this arises between brothers and sisters. 1 Corinthians 13 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

13 I may speak in the tongues of men, even angels;
but if I lack love, I have become merely
blaring brass or a cymbal clanging.


2 I may have the gift of prophecy,
I may fathom all mysteries, know all things,
have all faith — enough to move mountains;
but if I lack love, I am nothing.




What? If I was born Judas should I now change my name because of Judas Iscariot?

LOL No man, this was only a name I picked that I could associate myself with (because of my past). I was a rebel then... a real peace of rubbish but by God's grace I was changed into somebody you would actually want to introduce to your mother LOL (or so my wife told me :p). I actually never even thought about it until I our friend Ugly mentioned it... then it dawned on me; I have changed and that name is not suitable anymore :rolleyes:
 
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I have to add, that I dig brother Tintin. We have PM'd our differences. Although I may not hit the "like" button often on his posts--I actually agree with about 95% of what he tells others. This one seemed different.
I guess he is ok :cool:

just joking Tintin, like I explained earlier maybe we are at different stages of our lives.
 
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Yeah, look, My mother perpetuated these lies about D&D when I was young, 80s and 90s, and as such I was too scared to play.

Perhaps that saved me from ultimate nerd-dom? LOL

But later on as an adult I researched it and realised it was lies. Part of the Satanic Panic of the 80s and 90s. A lot of hysteria based on rumours.

The trouble is the suicide rate is still high for young men where I come from. Rural Australia. The highest demographic in the world, and the real causes for this are varied, but often include corruption from politicians and large businesses that destroy the economy in the rural areas to favour corporate profits. Which leads to small business ruin and unemployment.

But Christians here on this same forum keep voting for the parties that support unregulated capitalism.

So, please forgive me if I support addressing the real causes of suicide, and not banning of games, based on unsubstantiated rumours.

In regards to abstaining, See my next post.
Thank you for the information David, I never had any reason to doubt this and as a result never investigated it.
 
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Shakespeare has ghosts, witches and fairies and all sorts too. I like Shakespearer now more than I like Harry Potter. I think because plays with actors are better than watching a film on a big screen. But someone said elsewhere that actors are bad.
 
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No one thinks the story of Moses confronting the Pharoah's priests in a battle of magical staffs is heretical?
Magic and stuff appears throughout the scriptures, but we just file it away as 'ancient stuff', but in reality many of our ancestors who were Christian believed in that stuff.

Magic and spirit work were considered an every day part of life. If you look at the bible, it showed many people are the greater magicians because of their faith in God. The many times Jesus banished demons was essentially magic, stuff that other people were performing at that time. The Gospels make it clear though that Jesus had such astounding power at doing it.

We dismiss all this stuff today, not because it's the Christian thing to do, but that the Western Civilisation is functionally Atheist and materialistic. Christians worship capitalism now, and Capitalism control Technology which is a form of Material magic that comes from occult (science) knowledge.

But on a fundamental spiritual level, we Christians forget that we wage war with Spiritual powers.

Most Christians don't even believe in spirits. So it's hard for them to understand the concept of the HOLY Spirit.

Magic is in the bible. But the teaching is that the highest power belongs to Yahweh.
 
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It does? I've read the entire series a number of times, seen all of the movies and I've never noticed any of this. Could it be because none of these things are found within the books? Yes! And because some Christians love to spread hearsay? Yes! Even at the expense of truth? Yes! Doing something wrong for the right reason is right, yes? No, it's not! I can tell you haven't read the books because your information is wrong. I'm not even a huge Harry Potter fan, The Lord of the Rings and Chronicles of Narnia are more my thing, but it gets my goat when Christians spread lies.


I agree, doing something wrong for the right reason is not okay at all. However, I s'pose it really got the Pharisees goat when Jesus declared that He was the Son of God, which is why they conspired as to how they could kill Him. Sometimes the truth is to hard to handle. It's pretty obvious that Harry Potter centers around witchcraft, and to imply that it doesn't is pretty absurd really, (or just plain ignorant). I don't need to read the series to "see it to believe it". I don't need to climb into a rubbish can to find out if it stinks. I don't have to be present at a robbery or murder to understand if a person is guilty or not. The testimony of court witnesses is sufficient for me to know enough details to form an accurate opinion. In the same sense, I don't have to be present to witness Jesus dying on the cross for the sins of the whole world so that I can "see it to believe it."
What is witchcraft? In short, witchcraft is seeking guidance or help from any spiritual source other than God. We see this all around us today in the form of horoscopes, astrology, tarot cards, sorcery, magic, séances, psychics, palm reading, spiritism, fortune telling, necromancy (communicating with the dead), yoga, New Age meditation, the force, Chinese Zodiacs, burning candles, chants, spells, potions, charms, the Rosary, icon bracelets, et cetera. The devil is a spirit, just as God is a Holy Spirit. Ephesians 6:12, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Satan can't make anyone do what he wants, unless we are susceptible to his influences. Harry Potter is aimed at the young, which is why it is so dangerous as it makes "casting spells" and other wrong things look fun and innocent. It is desensitizing the young, and it seems the not-so-young, from seeing anything wrong with it. I'll say it again, any form spiritual help in the form of calling on spiritual powers other than God, such as spell-casting, is of the devil. Why do you think the books are so incredibly popular and a best-seller? Because Satan is the god of this world and it appeals to our selfish, fleshly desires. I'm sure I would love to read them and experience the thrill of adventure it entails, but I don't because I want to bring honour to my Lord and Saviour in everything I do, and for that, you can't condemn. Ephesians 5:16, "Redeeming the time, because the days are evil." You might be thinking " Your taking this "God" thing to seriously", and to that I reply, "God took me pretty seriously when He gave His life for me." Matthew 16:24, "Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me." Jesus didn't say living the Christian life would be easy! He expects us to give up our selfish and worldly desires if we are to be true followers for Him. 1 John 2:15-17, "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever."[SIZE=+1] Romans 12:1-2[/SIZE], "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." It is pretty clear that God wants us to be separate from this present world. 1 Peter 1:16, "Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy." You might not think the witchcraft in Harry Potter is nothing to be concerned about, but where do you draw the line? How far to the edge of the cliff do you go? If God says that witchcraft is sinful, then that's that. There aren't any exceptions to the truth.
"Practicing Wiccans think I'm also a witch", Rowling told Entertainment Weekly in 2000. She then later on said that she wasn't, but why else would they think that she was? Hmmmm....

"Hence, the first book in the Potter series is based on the very real occult activity of searching for immortality, based on real witchcraft and occult teachings. On the back cover of the book is a picture of a wizard holding a book with nothing less than a pentagram on it, and the background is covered with stars shaped like upright pentagrams, which symbolizes the power of witchcraft. The pentagram, called the great Rite in witchcraft, is one of the main symbols in witchcraft and occultism. Used in ritual magic, divination, the conjuration of spirits, casting spells and summoning demonic help, it is not simply part of a cute drawing. When the pentagram points skyward, it's denoting witchcraft, while if the point is downward it is signifying satanists. The view of the pentagram on the book is pointing down, meaning that it is for black magic rites, calling Satan and so on. This is not light fluff. This is real to occultists."

Excerpt from "http://www.seekgod.ca/imagination2.htm"




Harry Potter: Part One of Two

Harry Potter's Religion Part Two of Two
 
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Can we go back to the topic, please?
 
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I agree, doing something wrong for the right reason is not okay at all. However, I s'pose it really got the Pharisees goat when Jesus declared that He was the Son of God, which is why they conspired as to how they could kill Him. Sometimes the truth is to hard to handle. It's pretty obvious that Harry Potter centers around witchcraft, and to imply that it doesn't is pretty absurd really, (or just plain ignorant). I don't need to read the series to "see it to believe it". I don't need to climb into a rubbish can to find out if it stinks. I don't have to be present at a robbery or murder to understand if a person is guilty or not. The testimony of court witnesses is sufficient for me to know enough details to form an accurate opinion. In the same sense, I don't have to be present to witness Jesus dying on the cross for the sins of the whole world so that I can "see it to believe it."
What is witchcraft? In short, witchcraft is seeking guidance or help from any spiritual source other than God. We see this all around us today in the form of horoscopes, astrology, tarot cards, sorcery, magic, séances, psychics, palm reading, spiritism, fortune telling, necromancy (communicating with the dead), yoga, New Age meditation, the force, Chinese Zodiacs, burning candles, chants, spells, potions, charms, the Rosary, icon bracelets, et cetera. The devil is a spirit, just as God is a Holy Spirit. Ephesians 6:12, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Satan can't make anyone do what he wants, unless we are susceptible to his influences. Harry Potter is aimed at the young, which is why it is so dangerous as it makes "casting spells" and other wrong things look fun and innocent. It is desensitizing the young, and it seems the not-so-young, from seeing anything wrong with it. I'll say it again, any form spiritual help in the form of calling on spiritual powers other than God, such as spell-casting, is of the devil. Why do you think the books are so incredibly popular and a best-seller? Because Satan is the god of this world and it appeals to our selfish, fleshly desires. I'm sure I would love to read them and experience the thrill of adventure it entails, but I don't because I want to bring honour to my Lord and Saviour in everything I do, and for that, you can't condemn. Ephesians 5:16, "Redeeming the time, because the days are evil." You might be thinking " Your taking this "God" thing to seriously", and to that I reply, "God took me pretty seriously when He gave His life for me." Matthew 16:24, "Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me." Jesus didn't say living the Christian life would be easy! He expects us to give up our selfish and worldly desires if we are to be true followers for Him. 1 John 2:15-17, "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever."[SIZE=+1] Romans 12:1-2[/SIZE], "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." It is pretty clear that God wants us to be separate from this present world. 1 Peter 1:16, "Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy." You might not think the witchcraft in Harry Potter is nothing to be concerned about, but where do you draw the line? How far to the edge of the cliff do you go? If God says that witchcraft is sinful, then that's that. There aren't any exceptions to the truth.
"Practicing Wiccans think I'm also a witch", Rowling told Entertainment Weekly in 2000. She then later on said that she wasn't, but why else would they think that she was? Hmmmm....

"Hence, the first book in the Potter series is based on the very real occult activity of searching for immortality, based on real witchcraft and occult teachings. On the back cover of the book is a picture of a wizard holding a book with nothing less than a pentagram on it, and the background is covered with stars shaped like upright pentagrams, which symbolizes the power of witchcraft. The pentagram, called the great Rite in witchcraft, is one of the main symbols in witchcraft and occultism. Used in ritual magic, divination, the conjuration of spirits, casting spells and summoning demonic help, it is not simply part of a cute drawing. When the pentagram points skyward, it's denoting witchcraft, while if the point is downward it is signifying satanists. The view of the pentagram on the book is pointing down, meaning that it is for black magic rites, calling Satan and so on. This is not light fluff. This is real to occultists."

Excerpt from "http://www.seekgod.ca/imagination2.htm"




Harry Potter: Part One of Two

Harry Potter's Religion Part Two of Two
You just don't have a clue. Like I said before, the witchcraft in HP is more akin to fairytale magic than the real world of the occult. Things like turning people into rats or riding broomsticks. That's very different to divination and speaking to the dead etc.
 

Reborn

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This is true. Sorry, I sometimes tend to get my definition of the 'good' magic/witchcraft mixed up with my definition of the 'bad' magic/witchcraft. ;)
 
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This is true. Sorry, I sometimes tend to get my definition of the 'good' magic/witchcraft mixed up with my definition of the 'bad' magic/witchcraft. ;)
There's no difference.
 

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The OP of this thread was banned.. just sayin'.. :/ oh how i loathe zombie threads whose authors have been banned..lol.. :)
 
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it is not good at all. it is satanic in origin, publication, broadcast, advertising, and in all of it's influence. catholicism too, btw. the world and society is pernicious(death dealing) according to Scripture. see Joshua chapter 23.


I love the Harry Potter books. The films less, which I am sometimes too dark. In a German forum about Harry Potter has been reported that a Catholic; who writes books against feminism and gender debate, condemned the Harry Potter books as "satanic". What do you think? Is Harry Potter just good entertainment literature, or it has a satanic origin and influence?
 
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when a stupid thing like the sock marker crashed (sic(misspelled on purpose)), did people who lost a little money jump out of twenty story windows on WALLdumb street ? distractions from Christ and truth don't have to be gross or 'demonic' looking to be evil.

Can you provide documented source that this in fact happened and was not a complete invention of Chick Tracks?