Puzzled, Why Not Talk to God About the Sabbath?

john832 · Jan 2, 2015

Please re-read my quotes and show me where I have EVER said that deeds of the Law justify. I have NEVER said that. What I have said is that WILLFUL sin, breaking the Law without remorse or repentance brings death. The Law is the standard by which sin is measured. When we transgress the Law, we are guilty and that happens daily.

Christ showed the remedy in the basic teaching of the Sermon on the Mount...

Luk 11:1 And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.

Luk 11:4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us...

We are to ask forgiveness each time we pray. Ask for that grace that God gives through Jesus Christ. How often? How about learning from a man after God's own heart?

Psa 55:17 Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.

john832 · Jan 2, 2015

Mitspa said:

So, since you are not under the Law, you do not sin anymore?

john832 · Jan 2, 2015

Has anyone ever seen a thread like this about the sixth Commandment? The seventh? Any Commandment but the fourth?

gotime · Jan 2, 2015

john832 said:

Grandpa · Jan 2, 2015

john832 said:

You could have just said no. Instead of trying to guess..

VCO · Jan 2, 2015

john832 said:

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Is any other Commandment A SIGN of the Covenant Between GOD AND ISRAEL?

THE SIGN OF THE FIRST COVENANT:

Exodus 31:13-17 (NIV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]"Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. [SUP]14 [/SUP]"'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people. [SUP]15 [/SUP]For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.[SUP]16 [/SUP]The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.'"

THE NEW COVENANT IS A BETTER COVENANT, NOT AN IMPROVED CONTINUATION OF THE FIRST ONE.

Reference: My Post #172 on page 9.

Jeff_56 · Jan 2, 2015

what does "GRAFTED IN" mean in the NT ?

Jeff_56 · Jan 2, 2015

like "Thou shalt have NO OTHER GODS" ....(money, sports, politics, stocks, real estate, sex, hollywood,shopping....)

but that might upset 5.9+ billion people ..... maybe shouldn't......

gotime said:

VCO · Jan 2, 2015

passinthru said:

You may have a Point there.

No I do not know his shoe size, because they had to be custom made.

But I do know WHY David picked up five smooth stones when he knew GOD could do the job with one stone.

GOLIATH had four brothers in the Philistine Army, who were also giants.

Hesyasha · Jan 2, 2015

I haven't read any previous posts, but I wanted to talk about the Sabbath.

I dont understand.How do people think the law is done away with?

Please read this thoroughly.

The law is not "Sin" , its "Sin Consciousness" or being aware of sin. It doesn't teach you how to sin, it does the opposite, teaches you how not to sin. If 'el (GOD) done away with the law, you're saying you can't sin, and if you can't sin then sin doesn't exist any more, and If sin doesn't exist, you're saying the devil doesn't exist either! It makes no sense. Even Jesus said himself in Matthew 5: 17-18, KJV:

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. *Key Word: ALL.

In verse 17, He said he had come to fulfill. To fulfill means to do. This means he did the law.

This means that not a SINGLE THING from the old testament will change until heaven and earth pass.

Jesus said in Jn. 13:15 that we should do as He did:

15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.

Everything that Christ has done is an example to us. Christ kept the Sabbath. Meaning we should do as he did and keep the Sabbath.

So,
Has Christ fulfilled the law?

Yes, he has fulfilled it.

Has heaven and earth passed yet?

No, pretty sure it hasn't.

Law still required. All things in the Old Testament are still required. (Including the Sabbath)

VCO · Jan 3, 2015

Hesyasha said:

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"Done away with" is the wrong TERM. The Sabbath is an Everlasting Sign of the Covenant between GOD and ISRAEL (See Ex. 31:13-17), and still IS. It is NOT a sign of the Covenant between GOD and the Church. We have a Worship Command too, but we also worship HIM in our hearts every day of the week, or at least we certainly should. Our Covenant is a NEW Covenant, and a Better Covenant; and is NOT that the Everlasting Covenant between GOD and Israel. I usually do not repeat myself, but for your benefit, since you seem to be seeking understanding, I will this time. This comes from my post on page 9, #172.

IN THE NEW COVENANT, JESUS BECOMES OUR HIGH PRIEST:

Hebrews 4:14-16 (ISV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us continue to hold on to our confession.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For we do not have a high priest who is incapable of sympathizing with our weaknesses, but one who was tempted in every respect as we are, yet without sin.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]So let us keep on coming with boldness to the throne of grace, {NOT WAIT TILL SATURDAY TO DO IT}
so that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.

Hebrews 7:11-19 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]If then, perfection came through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there for another priest to appear, said to be in the order of Melchizedek {Not of the tribe of Levi} and not in the order of Aaron?

[SUP]12 [/SUP]For when there is a change of the priesthood,
there must be a change of law as well. ☜

[SUP]13 [/SUP]For the One these things are spoken about belonged to a different tribe. No one from it has served at the altar.[SUP]14 [/SUP]Now it is evident that our Lord came from Judah, and Moses said nothing about that tribe concerning priests.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And this becomes clearer if another priest like Melchizedek appears, {Not of the tribe of Levi}
[SUP]16 [/SUP]who did not become a ⌊priest⌋ based on a legal command concerning physical descent but based on the power of an indestructible life.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For it has been testified: You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek. {Not of the tribe of Levi}
[SUP]18 [/SUP]So the previous command is annulled ☜ because it was weak and unprofitable
[SUP]19 [/SUP](for the law perfected nothing), but a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.

THE REQUIRED CHANGE OF THE LAW:

Hebrews 10:24-25 (HCSB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And let us be concerned about one another in order to promote love and good works, ☜
[SUP]25 [/SUP]not staying away from our ⌊worship⌋ meetings, ☜ as some habitually do, but encouraging each other, and all the more as you see the day drawing near. {NOTICE: No mention of which day to worship.}

Romans 14:5 (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike.
Let each ☜ be fully convinced in his own mind.

I BELIEVE IN WORSHIPING THE LORD THE SAME, EACH AND EVERY DAY!

Word_Swordsman · Jan 3, 2015

john832 said:

Yes, it says that. That was the Law. The holy days, particularly the Sabbaths, the feasts, the priesthood, all are abolished according to the "doomsday" prophets and the N.T. apostles. All observances prescribed in the Law are abolished even for Jews. They embrace it too much, being blinded while Gentiles flood into the Kingdom.

2 Corinthians 3:12-14 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
[SUP]13 [/SUP] And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

Christians ought not embrace blindness of mind by agreeing with the Concision, which is still blind of mind.

Ephesians 2:14-15 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

The law of Moses served to bind the tribes of Israel together until Christ came, and taught what sin is. Christ came, fulfilling all that Moses received at Mt. Sinai, and fulfilled the Passover received in Egypt, commanding the single New Covenant ordinance of the Lord's Supper. Jesus didn't destroy anything of the Law, but finished it's purpose.

Paul: Philippians 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

The Sabbath holy days were commanded to be observed by Israel alone in the Law. Penalties for not observing those were set in the Law. The Law was for Israel, the land of the Jews. The Law offered self righteousness, which is not acceptable to God.

Word_Swordsman · Jan 3, 2015

Hesyasha said:

Billions of people have never read those laws, don't know about O.T. "sins" or the Sabbath, yet all people are accounted as sinners if without Christ. Probably most Bibles in the world contain only the New Testament. For them that law puts a veil (barrier) between them and God, while they don't know it's there. Jesus has removed that veil and the enmity (hostility) of the law for all Christians. God, through Christ, eliminated the curse of the law, thereby changing the nature of the law for all who are in Christ. In essence God "defanged" the law, making it powerless for us by faith in Christ.

Those dying without Christ in them will be judged according to the standard of Jesus, also facing the curse of the law if they violated just one commandment received by Moses in life. There is only one sacrifice God accepts for forgiveness, and that is Christ on the cross. The law only offered temporary covering of sin, not a path of forgiveness. Those living by the old law will perish under it. That's the hostility (enmity) of the old law. It has been "abolished", the Greek meaning rendered entirely idle, useless.
It's still there, has not been destroyed as in "annihilated". It's like a favorite old worn out coat not fit to wear, folded up in a closet as a keepsake.

Hesyasha · Jan 3, 2015

Not once did I say only worship on the Sabbath. I worship EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.

But the Sabbath was specificly set aside by God to worship and not work on this day. In Isa. 56: 2 KJV it says:

2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

In Rev. 22: 7 Christ says:

7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

In Rev. 22 12-15, Christ also says this:

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Here, Christ is saying that they who keep the commandments will be blessed and may enter the gates into the city.
We know these gates are the gates of heaven, because it is proven in Gen. 28: 17 (after Jacob had the dream of the angels ascending and desending from heaven)

17And he was afraid, and said, How dreadful is this place! this is none other but the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven.

And then in verse 15, Jesus tells you what those without the commandments are like:

15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

So Christ is saying that without the commandments, you are as one of the 6 things He listed.

The Sabbath is also HOLY. It is holy because He made the Sabbath, and with Ps. 145: 17, it is basicly saying that every thing God does is holy and righteous (KJV)

Therefore, using PS. 145: 17, we know that every thing that God does is holy. And if God made the Sabbath, then it is, of course, HOLY.

God says be ye perfect, for I am perfect.

You can't be perfect in his eyes if your not keeping a day that is HOLY!

Why would you not want to keep a HOLY day?

Even Jesus kept this HOLY day.

And my final verse is Heb. 10: 28 where it said what happened those that didn't keep the law of Moses:

28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Please, do What Our HOLY Father in heaven told us to do and keep his HOLY day, and the you may enter through the gates of heaven.

(sorry if this had any typos. im trying to type this on my tablet in the browser.)

Hesyasha · Jan 3, 2015

I forgot another important verse

1 John 2: 3-4

3And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

This verse says that those who say that they know Jesus, but don't keep the laws and commandments, are liars, and the truth is not in them.

Verse 6 says:

6He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

To abide means to follow.

This means that he that says that they follow Christ, ought to walk as He walked. Jesus was perfect and as he walked, he kept the laws of God.

God said be ye perfect.

Follow the path of the One who IS perfect.

If you are a "Follower of Christ", walk how he walked,
Keep the Sabbath like he kept it.

HOLY

Hizikyah · Jan 3, 2015

VCO said:

There is and always has been ONLY ONE WAY.

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you."

Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing dany evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."

Hizikyah · Jan 3, 2015

Hizikyah said:

There is and always has been ONLY ONE WAY.

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you."

Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing dany evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."

Well except for the people who follow the the one that "speaks great words against Yahweh...."

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."

Hesyasha · Jan 3, 2015

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. <--------------- Isn't this a commandment too?

((The focus is on this verse.
Christ said in John 14:15 :15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
This is a commandment.))

You don't love him if you don't keep the commandments.

VCO · Jan 4, 2015

Hizikyah said:

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CLEARLY your first quote is NOT about the CHURCH, but the difference between those physical descendants of Abraham who are NOT SAVED and those physical descendants of Abraham who ARE SAVED. WE ARE NOT SPIRITUAL IRAELITES, YES we have the faith of Abraham, BUT Abraham was not from ISRAEL, he was from UR, of the CHALDEES. That might make us spiritual Chaldeans, but NEVER does it make us spiritual Israelites. Besides Abraham is the Father of many NATIONS, yet again a PHYSICAL promise.

So what OATH is GOD talking about when He states that HE made it with ISAAC and it is an EVERLASTING COVENANT?

1 Chronicles 16:15-20 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Remember His covenant forever— the promise He ordained for a thousand generations,
[SUP]16 [/SUP] ⌊the covenant⌋ He made with Abraham, swore to Isaac,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] and confirmed to Jacob as a decree, and to Israel as an everlasting covenant:
[SUP]18 [/SUP] “I will give the land of Canaan to you as your inherited portion.”
[SUP]19 [/SUP] When they were few in number, very few indeed, and temporary residents in Canaan
[SUP]20 [/SUP] wandering from nation to nation and from one kingdom to another,

NOW that 1000 Generations IS NOT UP, and it was a PHYSICAL Promise not a SPIRITUAL ONE.
THEY REALLY DO INHERIT the land of CANAAN physically. THAT is the PURPOSE for the
144,000, OF EVERY TRIBE OF ISRAEL. THEY will enter into the Kingdom in their MORTAL bodies
to continue to fulfill GOD's Promise to the NATION ISRAEL, by inhabiting the LAND of Canaan as
GOD PROMISED. NOW do you want to go into the KINGDOM in a MORTAL BODY, or do you want
to come with US in our IMMORTAL RESURRECTED/CHANGED SPIRITUAL BODIES? I am not sure if
you got a CHANCE of becoming one of the 144,000, because GOD HIMSELF hand picks them and they
will die at some point in time in the KINGDOM, while we who are part of the BRIDE of CHRIST will
be immortal throughout the ENTIRE 1000 year Kingdom. WE REALLY DO HAVE A BETTER COVENANT.

Isaiah 65:19-23 (ESV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] I will rejoice in Jerusalem and be glad in my people; no more shall be heard in it the sound of weeping and the cry of distress.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] No more shall there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not fill out his days, for the young man shall die a hundred years old,and the sinner a hundred years old shall be accursed.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] They shall build houses and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] They shall not build and another inhabit; they shall not plant and another eat; for like the days of a tree shall the days of my people be, and my chosen {144,000 and their descendants} shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] They shall not labor in vain or bear children for calamity, for they shall be the offspring of the blessed of the LORD, and their descendants with them.

Just so you know, I believe the Bride of Christ is made up of THREE GROUPS of Saints.

The Old Testament Saints, who Believed GOD like Abraham, and received Messiah in their hearts as LORD.

The New Testament Saints, who Believed GOD like Abraham, and received Messiah in their hearts as LORD.

The Tribulation Saints, who Believed GOD like Abraham, and received Messiah in their hearts as LORD.

YES, I am one who does not believe there is Salvation apart from receiving JESUS CHRIST the Messiah as LORD, which means MASTER. And YES, I know that some consider the Tribulation Saints, who are those beheaded for refusing the mark of the Beast, to be part of the CHURCH. I think they are a separate group, but either way, all three Groups will be present and participating in the Wedding of the LAMB, while GOD pours out his wrath on the earth during the Great Tribulation.

HOWEVER, that is another whole subject that I discussed a few months ago, in thread I started, called:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/95283-calling-out-bride-go-wedding-lamb.html

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I had better return to discussing the SABBATH, to be fair to the original poster of this thread.

The Main reason that I believe the SABBATH commandment only applies to the COVENANT GOD made with ISRAEL and his descendants, is that is EXACTLY WHAT GOD SAID IT WAS in Ex. 31:12-17; and I believe Heb. 10:24-25, is the substituted required change in the Law, because the High Priesthood shifted from the tribe of LEVI to the tribe of JUDAH, Heb. 7:11-19.

I cannot be persuaded otherwise, and it appears that your position is equally firm. If so, how about we continue this discussion when we get to heaven, when we will KNOW AS WE ARE KNOWN. If we get to pick our dwelling place, mine will be a simple little cabin out back on a bend in the Crystal River that flows from the Throne of Grace.

The reason I said that is I heard a shocking sentence in a sermon by a Baptist Missionary, back in the early 80's. He obviously had missed entire point of why we serve the LORD. He actually said: "The reason I serve the Lord is that I want the biggest, fanciest mansion on the Street of Gold; I don't want a little shack out back on the Crystal River." My jaw dropped open, and it was like I mourned for him, because he missed the entire point of serving our LORD. Ever since then, when I remember that sermon, I just tell the Lord in my mind, "Give me that little shack, Lord. I will take it, gladly. I just want to be there." THE REASON WE SERVE HIM, IS BECAUSE WE LOVE HIM, BECAUSE HE FIRST LOVED US.

VCO · Jan 4, 2015

Hizikyah said:

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I notice that you left off the end of that verse which explains the length of time that prophecy takes place.

Daniel 7:25 (ESV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.

That is an old expression for 3 1/2 years. A time is a year, and times is 2 years. It is a prophecy about the last 3 1/2 years of the Antichrist's Seven Peace Treaty with Israel and her Enemies. It is that time that begins with Antichrist marching into the Third Temple and setting up HIS THRONE in the Holy of Holies demanding to be worshiped as god. He puts an END to the times of Sacrifices, and Offerings, and the Feasts of ISRAEL, demanding total allegiance to himself as absolute ruler, instead of GOD; and beheads everyone that refuses bow down to him and take his mark of allegiance. That is the change in times and laws that prophesy is talking about. Here is a parallel portion of Scripture:

Daniel 9:27 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He will make a firm covenant with many for one week {of years}, but in the middle of the weekhe will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”

There is your "change the times" that HE is talking about in Dan. 7:25, and here is your change in the law that HE is talking about:

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For ⌊that day⌋ will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s sanctuary, publicizing that he himself is God.

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