Where happened to the giants?

[PennEd]

They'll be fine. Tom Coughlin is gonna stay, they have arguably the best receiver, in Odell Becham, And Eli Manning has one more Super Bowl appearance.

 

[prove-all]

Isaiah 26:13

O LORD our God, other lords besides thee have had dominion over us:

but by thee only will we make mention of thy name.

14 (They are dead), they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise:

therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.

 

[Agricola]

Do you have any evidence of this? Im curious.

If you want evidence on level of an athiest wanting proof of God existance, then NO.

You just have to take my word as being truth, why would I lie about this. I do not want to give out too many, or really any details either in order to protect the identity of this person.

It just enough to know that these beings are still being produced. We are told things will be as in the days of Noah, populations falling away from God and evil of society is not a new thing in history, which is what people concentrate on, but in days of Noah Nephilim were a common part of life.

 

[prove-all]

Deut 20:
16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance,
thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites,
and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:


Israel failed in this. The giants were finally utterly destroyed by the four kings under Chedorlaomer.

Gen 14:
5 And in the fourteenth year came Chedorlaomer, and the kings that were with him, and smote the Rephaims in Ashteroth Karnaim, and the Zuzims in Ham, and the Emims in Shaveh Kiriathaim,
6 And the Horites in their mount Seir, unto El-paran, which is by the wilderness.
7 And they returned, and came to En-mishpat, which is Kadesh, and smote all the country of the Amalekites, and also the Amorites that dwelt in Hazezon- tamar.
8 And there went out the king of Sodom, and the king of Gomorrah, and the king of Admah, and the king of Zeboiim, and the king of Bela (the same is Zoar and they joined battle with them in the vale of Siddim;
9 With Chedorlaomer the king of Elam, and with Tidal king of nations, and Amraphel king of Shinar, and Arioch king of Ellasar; four kings with five.

The names of the clans of giants are named here: Gen 15:19-21
The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girga****es, and the Jebusites.

The giants are also translated as "dead" or "deceased". They have no resurrection.

• [h=3]2 Samuel 16:23 (KJV)[/h]And the counsel of Ahithophel, which he counselled in those days, was as if a man had enquired at the oracle of God: so was all the counsel of Ahithophel both with David and with Absalom.

 

[Hizikyah]

PS 2

".....the rulers take counsel against Yahweh and His Anointed, saying; Let us break their bands asunder; Let us cast their yoke of bondage from us. He Who sits in the heavens will laugh them to scorn; Yahweh will treat them with derision and contempt! He shall speak to them in wrath! He shall terrify them in His great displeasure....."

 

[Hizikyah]

If you want evidence on level of an athiest wanting proof of God existance, then NO.

You just have to take my word as being truth, why would I lie about this. I do not want to give out too many, or really any details either in order to protect the identity of this person.

It just enough to know that these beings are still being produced. We are told things will be as in the days of Noah, populations falling away from God and evil of society is not a new thing in history, which is what people concentrate on, but in days of Noah Nephilim were a common part of life.

I know brother. I don't confirm or deny you words, I just was asking because this topic is in Scripture but NEVER talked about by the govt paid preachers. So I was not attacking you, but rather truly asking.

 

[Hizikyah]

Deut 20:
16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance,
thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites,
and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:


Israel failed in this. The giants were finally utterly destroyed by the four kings under Chedorlaomer.

Gen 14:
5 And in the fourteenth year came Chedorlaomer, and the kings that were with him, and smote the Rephaims in Ashteroth Karnaim, and the Zuzims in Ham, and the Emims in Shaveh Kiriathaim,
6 And the Horites in their mount Seir, unto El-paran, which is by the wilderness.
7 And they returned, and came to En-mishpat, which is Kadesh, and smote all the country of the Amalekites, and also the Amorites that dwelt in Hazezon- tamar.
8 And there went out the king of Sodom, and the king of Gomorrah, and the king of Admah, and the king of Zeboiim, and the king of Bela (the same is Zoar and they joined battle with them in the vale of Siddim;
9 With Chedorlaomer the king of Elam, and with Tidal king of nations, and Amraphel king of Shinar, and Arioch king of Ellasar; four kings with five.

The names of the clans of giants are named here: Gen 15:19-21
The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girga****es, and the Jebusites.

The giants are also translated as "dead" or "deceased". They have no resurrection.

• 2 Samuel 16:23 (KJV)
  
  And the counsel of Ahithophel, which he counselled in those days, was as if a man had enquired at the oracle of God: so was all the counsel of Ahithophel both with David and with Absalom.

Have you read Enoch? Doesnt it say that they are like disembodied spirit for 500 years but that they DO NOT have eternal life?

 

[Cycel]

I do know for a fact that there are human demon hybrids walking around. I know of someone who is. Science came up with a fantastic explanation for the conception which is the official version, but the mother and child and people who know them know the truth and exactly what went on. Non-beleivers and athiests will of course stick with the official science version, even though it is just as extreme.

What is the official science version? I have never heard of demon/human hybrids, well except for on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and the spin-off series, Angel. One of the major characters in Angel was such a hybrid. He was a good guy.

I think this is the first I’ve heard such a claim made. This makes me think that you are pretty much by yourself on this one. Yes?

 

[Hizikyah]

What is the official science version? I have never heard of demon/human hybrids, well except for on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and the spin-off series, Angel. One of the major characters in Angel was such a hybrid. He was a good guy.

I think this is the first I’ve heard such a claim made. This makes me think that you are pretty much by yourself on this one. Yes?

Im not saying his or my understanding is correct but Scripture does talk about what we would in modern times call "corrupted DNA"

This may or may not be the type of thing that is being talked about:

Bulletproof human skin made from spider silk and goat milk developed by scientists | Daily Mail Online


'Making science-fiction a reality': Bulletproof human skin made from spider silk and goat milk developed by researchers

• Researchers genetically engineered goats to produce milk packed with the same protein as silk spiders
• The protein is then milked out and spun and weaved into a material ten times stronger than steel

It might look like a poorly drawn picture of an alien, but this is actually one of the most advanced types of skin ever made - that can even stop bullets.
Researchers genetically engineered goats to produce milk which is packed with the same protein as silk spiders.
Once this is milked out it can be spun out and weaved into a material that is ten times stronger than steel.
The fabric can then be blended with human skin to make what the scientists hope will be tough enough to stop even a bullet.

Bulletproof: Researchers genetically engineered goats to produce milk packed with the same protein as silk spiders, which is then milked out and spun and weaved into a material that is ten times stronger than steel

Dutch researcher Jalila Essaidi said the 'spidersilk' project was called '2.6g 329m/s' after the weight and the velocity of a .22 calibre long rifle bullet.

Working with the Forensic Genomics Consortium in the Netherlands, she said the goal was to replace the keratin in our skin with the spider’s silk.
The first stage involves growing a layer of real skin around a sample of the bulletproof skin, which takes about five weeks.
A video posted by the researchers on YouTube shows a bullet then being fired into the mixture of the two.

Essaidi said that the project was making science fiction a reality, even if the tests results were not yet perfect.
She said that silk has a long history of using battle in combat and that Genghis Khan once issued all his horsemen with silk vests as an arrow hitting silk does not break, meaning you can tease it out.
‘Imagine a spidersilk vest, capable of catching bullets, the modern day equivalent of Genghis Khan’s arrows,’ she said.
‘Now, let’s take this one step further, why bother with a vest: imagine replacing keratin, the protein responsible for the toughness of the human skin, with this spidersilk protein.

‘This is possible by adding the silk producing genes of a spider to the gnome of a human: creating a bulletproof human.
‘Science-fiction? Maybe, but we can get a feeling of what this transhumanistic idea would be like by letting a bulletproof matrix of spidersilk merge with an in vitro human skin.’
Bullet proof vests have been around for decades but skin that can stop them has only been the preserve of science fiction.
The most famous example is Superman, or the Man of Steel - bullets simply ricochet off of him.

[video=youtube;ILgwy5c6W04]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILgwy5c6W04[/video]

 

[Cycel]

If you want evidence on level of an athiest wanting proof of God existance, then NO.

If you don't have any real evidence then it comes down to guess work based upon faith. I once believed in ghosts, so I suppose I know where you are coming from on this.

You just have to take my word as being truth, why would I lie about this. I do not want to give out too many, or really any details either in order to protect the identity of this person.

I wouldn't accuse you of lying, just being misguided, as I once was.

It just enough to know that these beings are still being produced. We are told things will be as in the days of Noah, populations falling away from God and evil of society is not a new thing in history, which is what people concentrate on, but in days of Noah Nephilim were a common part of life.

Belief in an ancient text makes it seem reasonable to imagine all sorts of fanciful things. If they were common back in Noah's time then were is the fossil evidence, Agricola? You should be able to back up these claims with science.

 

[Hizikyah]

Cycel, possibly there is evidence, but that evidence is called "neanderthals"

Possible?

 

[prove-all]

Have you read Enoch? Doesnt it say that they are like disembodied spirit for 500 years but that they DO NOT have eternal life?

yes I have read Enoch, but have not studied it or compared it to the bible yet.

 

[Hizikyah]

yes I have read Enoch, but have not studied it or compared it to the bible yet.

Same read it once, some years ago... Same on the comparison here too. Just wanted to ask! Use cc to learn!

 

[4enlightment]

A friend of mine once pointed that the small size of much of the surviving armor from the Middle Ages has created the general impression that people were much smaller back then. What's not realized, he explained, is that much of surviving armor was actually made for children, that's the reason it has survived. It may be that the surviving armor from antiquity, that you have discussed above, was of a similar sort.

Q: How tall was the average Roman Soldier


A; I have looked all over google, and it seems to me that they say about 5 feet to about 5 foot six; how much did the average Roman soldier weigh? Im talking about Legionaries from Rome or Italy, not Auxiliaries and the like, and what would their build be like?
http://www.romanarmytalk.com/17-roman-military-history-a-archaeology/279760-how-tall-was-the-average-roman-soldier.html


You can see people that are from third world countries (referring from tribes) are very short in height; but as their diet changes, their body expanded wider, but the following generations start growing taller. Kids are growing taller than when I was a child, because in my time, it was very hard to find size 12 and up in children's shoes, but now, there are shoes that are in size 16 and up and normally they will displayed the average shoes sizes out in the showroom floor; and I had told the shoes salesman is this a joke or is this normal, and he had said, yes, they sell that size all the time. Environmental changes is the cause of this; our food isn't the same as it were when I was a child.

 

[Cycel]

Im not saying his or my understanding is correct but Scripture does talk about what we would in modern times call "corrupted DNA"

Genetic mutation. I suspected this is what Agricola meant by scientists having their own explanations for demon/human hybrids, but I was waiting to hear it from him. This is what comes of putting very ancient texts, perhaps Bronze Age in this case, ahead of scientific explanations, but then even Jesus is associated with the belief that disease is caused by demons, as we might expect from someone of his era. And people wonder what possible interest atheists, with a penchant for science or history, could have with Christian forums?

I am not sure what your referencing of scientific research into the natural properties has to do with this topic. There are numerous examples of how research into plants and animals has led to technological gains, but what is the connection to demon/human hybrids?

Oh, that video you linked to, was it in German? I wish I had learned German.

 

[Hizikyah]

Genetic mutation. I suspected this is what Agricola meant by scientists having their own explanations for demon/human hybrids, but I was waiting to hear it from him. This is what comes of putting very ancient texts, perhaps Bronze Age in this case, ahead of scientific explanations, but then even Jesus is associated with the belief that disease is caused by demons, as we might expect from someone of his era. And people wonder what possible interest atheists, with a penchant for science or history, could have with Christian forums?

I am not sure what your referencing of scientific research into the natural properties has to do with this topic. There are numerous examples of how research into plants and animals has led to technological gains, but what is the connection to demon/human hybrids?

Oh, that video you linked to, was it in German? I wish I had learned German.

Wow so a lot to cover!

That vid was just the one in the article I linked, it is not a vid im familiar with, I didn't realize it was not the same vid till just now...

The Scripture doesn't say all disease comes from demons, as there are animals that eat rotting carcasses that can transfer disease if eaten, and we are told not to eat those.... I personally think the stuff that comes from demons is along the "disorder" line, as opposed to physical disease, but im not concrete on that.... JMO.

I know a lot of atheists that are very intelligent and seek truth over anything, I respect that, because that is what I seek truth. So I dont have a problem, I speak openly so people take me that wrong way at times.

So Scripture does not EXACTLY say they are demon/human hybrids, not saying they are not, but what I see is corrupt DNA, exactly how IDK. But I posted that as a possibility, there are many others but I figured that post was a bit too much for some people here so I didnt want to get too deep.... But are you familiar with the murals at the Denver airport and transhumanisim? There is too much to say here, butI think all these things have some kind of connection to this topic:

"Blucifer statue outside airport"

Murals at airport:

"Lucifer flower"

Now it is of no bearing if you or I believe these things will happen or if the motivation for these is real or not, fact is these people believe it and are spending every ounce of their strength to make it come true.

[video=youtube;2oZzrxugRsw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oZzrxugRsw[/video]

 

[Hizikyah]

I just want to state again it is of no bearing if these things are real, or if I believe they are real, or if you believe they are real, lets just sat they are not.... these people are making them real. (PS I believe there is a Creator and there is an adversary)

 

[Cycel]

Cycel, possibly there is evidence, but that evidence is called "neanderthals"

Possible?

Then all the other extinct hominids are demons crossed with what? Apes? The best way to understand Neanderthals is in evolutionary terms.

It occurs to me that if you actually believe Neanderthals were the product of humans crossed with demons, then your leading Christian geneticist, Francis Collins, should be able to sort out the human DNA from the demon DNA? It should be possible to work out the exact DNA of demons. Maybe it should even be possible to subdivide them into different species? Conservative Christians – or is it better to say evangelicals – seem to believe that demons are fallen angels and that there are different orders, or classes, or species, of angels. DNA studies should make it possible to sort this all out? Yes? Angels and demons must possess DNA, otherwise how could they even breed with humans? How else could you claim that the corrupted DNA belongs to demons?

Then of course we have to wonder if God has DNA? It may be that the ancient Jews imagined God as somewhat more anthropomorphic than Christians do today. How else could he fertilize half of Mary’s ovum? Did he make some DNA especially for the immaculate conception and if so what did he base it upon? If he is spirit then this is a problem we need to sort out, but it wasn’t likely a problem for the biblical writers, who simply could not have even formulated such questions.

The gods/angels/demons of old took women as mates. The Bible says so. These beings must have possessed DNA. Mind you, Canaanite myth says that the Tree of Life was responsible for the god’s immortality, so perhaps they were human-like but had the good fortune to have a better, more magical, diet. Angels, are they spirit? Demons, are they spirit. You are postulating that Neanderthals are demon/human hybrids. That means demons have DNA. You’ve opened quite a can of worms with this suggestion, have you not? How are you going to sort it all out?

 

[Hizikyah]

Then all the other extinct hominids are demons crossed with what? Apes? The best way to understand Neanderthals is in evolutionary terms.

I want to touch on this and I will reply to the rest. I dont see that as being the best way to understand because there is no proof and that theiry was invented by Darwin's grandfather who himself did not believe evolution, for he was a part of the Masonic order and any beyond the 3rd degree, 4th and up believe "Lucifer" is the "grand architect of the universe" So i can not bu what the Rockefeller foundation schools taught me.... I will read the rest now.

 

[Cycel]

I just want to state again it is of no bearing if these things are real, or if I believe they are real, or if you believe they are real, lets just sat they are not.... these people are making them real. (PS I believe there is a Creator and there is an adversary)

Okay, so you were being polite with Agricola. Perhaps you are not quite ready to rule out human/demon hybrids, but you are not quite prepared to believe them either.