THE GREAT DEBATE...LAW AND GRACE

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ELECT said:
you just believed the proverbs because it talk about love now you despise it how ironic
if the ungodly repents the ungodly will go to hell
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Well I hope you don't go to hell...believe the gospel and you can be saved :)

But the Old Testament law teaches the law...surprise ..surprise !
 
ELECT said:
Are you saying that is the ten commandments :confused: Read the whole chapter was cicumcision part of the ten commandments ?
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is this the law?

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
 
Mitspa said:
Well I hope you don't go to hell...believe the gospel and you can be saved :)

But the Old Testament law teaches the law...surprise ..surprise !
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surprise surprise
[h=1]Hebrews 4 King James Version (KJV)[/h]4 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
 
Mitspa said:
The wicked love the wicked? No God loves sinners and we was all sinners until He found and washed us and made us clean.
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Made us clean of past sins you mean..............................



2 Peter 1:9
But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins.


Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;


Future sins........................

1 John 2:1-2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous, And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

[h=1]1 John 1:7-10[/h]7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
 
Mitspa said:
Well you are trying to reject the simplicity that in Christ and make it complex!

2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
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That is not making it complicated, if you think obeying all that the Lord said as being complicated I think you need to ask the Holy Spirit for more help and guidance.
 
Sure your cleansed of past sins and then your justified by faith....Justified means your not a sinner but righteous in the eyes of God.
 
Mitspa said:
is this the law?

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
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in galatians not romans we will deal with that after whatwas being discussed in galatians and is circumsion part of the ten ? when was circumcson given ?
 
kennethcadwell said:
That is not making it complicated, if you think obeying all that the Lord said as being complicated I think you need to ask the Holy Spirit for more help and guidance.
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Well I think you need to ask God for help... and get out of the law and into grace and you will become a slave to righteousness like me :)
 
ELECT said:
then why do we have to ask for forgivness of sins ?
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either because your not saved or

Because some are ignorant of righteousness and are still in the flesh and their conscience if defiled through their unbelief.

Ro 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
 
[h=1]Ecclesiastes 12:13-14King James Version (KJV)[/h]13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.


 
ELECT said:
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14King James Version (KJV)

13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
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Yep the Old testament law teaches the law...amazing!
 
Mitspa said:
either because your not saved or

Because some are ignorant of righteousness and are still in the flesh and their conscience if defiled through their unbelief.

Ro 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
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[h=1]Psalm 85:4-8King James Version (KJV)[/h]4 Turn us, O God of our salvation, and cause thine anger toward us to cease.
5 Wilt thou be angry with us for ever? wilt thou draw out thine anger to all generations?
6 Wilt thou not revive us again: that thy people may rejoice in thee?
7 Shew us thy mercy, O Lord, and grant us thy salvation.
8 I will hear what God the Lord will speak: for he will speak peace unto his people, and to his saints: but let them not turn again to folly.
 
Mitspa said:
Yep the Old testament law teaches the law...amazing!
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Ecclesiastes 3:19-21King James Version (KJV)

19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

Does the new teach this ?
 
Romans 6:14King James Version (KJV)

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Say you were found guilty of murdering someone, and the law of the land sentenced you to death. Can you "work" your way to freedom? No, because you are under the law and it demands your life. The only way you can be free, is if a judge has compassion on you and pardons you. Let's say that happens;

A judge comes along and pardons you. You are now under grace and no longer under the law, which demanded your life. You are free!! Now, do you leave thinking, "I'm free!! I found grace with the judge, I'm free to go and commit more crimes, because I'm now under grace, not under the law!" Of course not.

Any person with an ounce of gratitude would now go and KEEP the law the best they could. And anyway, does the law of the land now become void because you found grace from the judge? No, the law still stands. Do you see this truth with regards to being under grace, not under law?
 
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