Trinity?

VCO · Jan 10, 2015

New, please try to listen, and ask GOD to explain it to you.

The Mind of a Man is his Soul. Even the Greek word for Soul is [FONT=&quot]psychē.[/FONT]

The human spirit resides in the heart of man, not between his ears.

Yes that is where the Holy Spirit indwells too, but the human spirit is NOT the Holy Spirit.

The human spirit must be born into eternal life by the Holy Spirit:

John 3:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

If you do not want to believe me, that there is a human spirit in us that must be born into eternal life, will you believe GOD?

Zechariah 12:1 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] An Oracle The word of the LORD concerning Israel. A declaration of the LORD, who stretched out the heavens, laid the foundation of the earth, and formed the spirit of man within him.

John 3:7 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.

1 Peter 3:4 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Instead, ⌊it should consist of⌋ what is inside the heart with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very valuable in God’s eyes.

Psalm 34:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.

VCO · Jan 10, 2015

Bowman said:

Bowman you should know better. Who taught you that antisemitic statement?

Romans 2:28-29 (ESV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.

So what excuse are you going to tell GOD, as to why you did not embrace Messianic Jewish believers?

John 10:15-18 (NKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father."

[video=youtube;-bpgbJMsgCk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bpgbJMsgCk[/video]

newbirth · Jan 10, 2015

VCO said:

brother with all due respect....the scripture commands us to put to death the old man and be reborn in Christ a new man...you are giving the old man eternal life...which is contrary to scripture...If you are still ruled by your old mind then you have not been reborn...you have been refurbished...by your own doing...

none of those scripture support what you are saying...

Bowman · Jan 10, 2015

VCO said:

Scripture.

A Jew, by definition, is one that denies Jesus' deity.

I dont believe in excuses...

That is the same scriptural passage used by Mormons.

VCO · Jan 10, 2015

newbirth said:

NEW, wake up! I am NOT talking about the old man of flesh and carnal mind that must be put to death, which is part of Sanctification of your flesh. I am talking about your HUMAN spirit that HAS TO BE born to eternal life (born again), or you cannot see the kingdom of heaven. The human spirit is NOT even considered to be part of the flesh, like the soul is, BY JESUS HIMSELF.

John 3:3-8 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
{The human spirit is NOT part of the flesh.}
[SUP]6 [/SUP] That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and

that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
{The human spirit is NOT part of the flesh.}
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
[SUP]8 [/SUP] The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit."

☝t<><

I have another point to make about the Trinity, proving that Jesus is GOD in the flesh.

John 10:14-18 (NKJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself.
I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.
This command I have received from My Father."

VCO · Jan 10, 2015

Bowman said:

Mormons are a Psuedo-Christian Cult. They USE the same KJV Bible we do, but they twist the meaning of the verses to fit the teachings of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. They use Christian terminology too, but they mean something TOTALLY different by those terms. Here is a link that shows you the terminology differences between Mormonism and Christianity:

Terminology Differences (Main)

Satan quoted Scripture twisting the meaning in the same way, to try to temp Christ. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE CUT THOSE VERSES OUT OF OUR BIBLES AND THROW THEM AWAY, as you are attempting to do.

JESUS said there are two folds that make up the ONE FLOCK. There are two folds, AND one Fold is the JEWS that are GENUINE believers in Messiah, who have the Holy Spirit in their heart {" a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit" which is born again,} AND they DO NOT cease to be JEWS when they received MESSIAH a LORD. QUITE THE OPPOSITE, they become Genuine JEWS by GOD's definition. The second Fold is Gentiles that truly believe in MESSIAH as LORD. BOTH FOLDS are part of the Bride of Christ, born again JEWS and born again Gentiles who are BOTH part of the assembly of GOD that CHRIST is building. Actually, CHURCH is a term NOT used in the original language translations, which use the word ASSEMBLY, just like the O.T. did:

Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;

Acts 20:28 (YLT)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] `Take heed, therefore, to yourselves, and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit made you overseers, to feed the assembly of God that He acquired through His own blood,

Psalm 89:7 (NKJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, And to be held in reverence by all those around Him.

Nehemiah 13:1 (YLT)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] On that day there was read in the book of Moses, in the ears of the people, and it hath been found written in it that an Ammonite and Moabite doth not come into the assembly of God--unto the age,

GOD IS NOT FINISHED WITH THE JEWS!

Psalm 103:8-9 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] The LORD is compassionate and gracious, Slow to anger and abounding in lovingkindness.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] He will not always strive with us, Nor will He keep His anger forever.

Jeremiah 3:12 (ESV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Go, and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, “‘Return, faithless Israel, declares the LORD. I will not look on you in anger, for I am merciful, declares the LORD; I will not be angry forever.

Do the Research and repent.

Here are some OTHER Statements of Faith from MESSIANIC JEWS:

http://www.mjaa.org/site/PageServer?pagename=rd_aboutus_statement_of_faith

Association of Messianic Congregations - What We Believe

Congregation Gesher Shalom | What We Believe

bethshalomcorona.com

Shuvah Yisrael | Messianic Jewish Congregation | Our Beliefs

What We Believe & Why | Jewish Voice Ministries International

PLEASE READ THEIR STATEMENTS OF FAITH, and admit to GOD that you were wrong.

newbirth · Jan 11, 2015

VCO said:

NEW, wake up! I am NOT talking about the old man of flesh and carnal mind that must be put to death, which is part of Sanctification of your flesh. I am talking about your HUMAN spirit that HAS TO BE born to eternal life (born again), or you cannot see the kingdom of heaven. The human spirit is NOT even considered to be part of the flesh, like the soul is, BY JESUS HIMSELF.

John 3:3-8 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
{The human spirit is NOT part of the flesh.}
[SUP]6 [/SUP] That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and

that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
{The human spirit is NOT part of the flesh.}
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
[SUP]8 [/SUP] The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit."

☝t<><

I have another point to make about the Trinity, proving that Jesus is GOD in the flesh.

John 10:14-18 (NKJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself.
I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.
This command I have received from My Father."

born of the spirit does not mean reviving a human spirit...to be born speaks of newness...as a matter of fact I am not sure human is ever mention in the scripture...same as trinity....figments of your imagination....
no scripture support your thinking...and Jesus is God in the flesh does not prove there is a trinity...

GracethroughfaithinChrist · Jan 11, 2015

newbirth said:

The word bible isn't in the bible either.......

newbirth · Jan 11, 2015

GracethroughfaithinChrist said:

look at my posts ...very rare do I use that word....I use scripture or the word...and it is clear that the bible refers to the holy scripture which is the word of God....no confusion here......as opposed to trinity which no one can explain and now born again human spirit which is something found nowhere in scripture....think things through before you post those one liners...

newbirth · Jan 11, 2015

Bowman said:

your ignorance is growing ....so I cannot say there is no growth in you......Paul was a Jew.....all the apostles were Jews....are you saying they all denied Christ's deity...
Acts 21:39
But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

and you consider yourself qualified to teach the word...

Bowman · Jan 11, 2015

VCO said:

Mormons are a Psuedo-Christian Cult. They USE the same KJV Bible we do, but they twist the meaning of the verses to fit the teachings of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. They use Christian terminology too, but they mean something TOTALLY different by those terms. Here is a link that shows you the terminology differences between Mormonism and Christianity:

Terminology Differences (Main)

Satan quoted Scripture twisting the meaning in the same way, to try to temp Christ. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE CUT THOSE VERSES OUT OF OUR BIBLES AND THROW THEM AWAY, as you are attempting to do.

JESUS said there are two folds that make up the ONE FLOCK. There are two folds, AND one Fold is the JEWS that are GENUINE believers in Messiah, who have the Holy Spirit in their heart {" a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit" which is born again,} AND they DO NOT cease to be JEWS when they received MESSIAH a LORD. QUITE THE OPPOSITE, they become Genuine JEWS by GOD's definition. The second Fold is Gentiles that truly believe in MESSIAH as LORD. BOTH FOLDS are part of the Bride of Christ, born again JEWS and born again Gentiles who are BOTH part of the assembly of GOD that CHRIST is building. Actually, CHURCH is a term NOT used in the original language translations, which use the word ASSEMBLY, just like the O.T. did:

Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;

Acts 20:28 (YLT)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] `Take heed, therefore, to yourselves, and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit made you overseers, to feed the assembly of God that He acquired through His own blood,

Psalm 89:7 (NKJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, And to be held in reverence by all those around Him.

Nehemiah 13:1 (YLT)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] On that day there was read in the book of Moses, in the ears of the people, and it hath been found written in it that an Ammonite and Moabite doth not come into the assembly of God--unto the age,

GOD IS NOT FINISHED WITH THE JEWS!

Psalm 103:8-9 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] The LORD is compassionate and gracious, Slow to anger and abounding in lovingkindness.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] He will not always strive with us, Nor will He keep His anger forever.

Jeremiah 3:12 (ESV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Go, and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, “‘Return, faithless Israel, declares the LORD. I will not look on you in anger, for I am merciful, declares the LORD; I will not be angry forever.

Do the Research and repent.

Here are some OTHER Statements of Faith from MESSIANIC JEWS:

http://www.mjaa.org/site/PageServer?pagename=rd_aboutus_statement_of_faith

Association of Messianic Congregations - What We Believe

Congregation Gesher Shalom | What We Believe

bethshalomcorona.com

Shuvah Yisrael | Messianic Jewish Congregation | Our Beliefs

What We Believe & Why | Jewish Voice Ministries International

PLEASE READ THEIR STATEMENTS OF FAITH, and admit to GOD that you were wrong.

Jews that take The Son as their God & Savior are called Christians.

Bowman · Jan 11, 2015

newbirth said:

The term 'Jew' has a plethora of various meanings in the Holy Bible.

Its meaning is determined via context.

I would not expect you to grasp this concept, as you are still using Trinitarian English renderings for your denial of the Trinity.

You are still on a milk-only diet...and not yet ready for solid food...

newbirth · Jan 11, 2015

Bowman said:

Americans that take the son as their God and saviour are called Christians....it does not make them any less American...how can it make a Jew any less a Jew...

VCO · Jan 11, 2015

newbirth said:

I never said reviving, did I?

TWO BIRTHS, and the human spirit is NOT birthed alive at natural physical birth.

At natural birth, the human spirit is still dead, because of the sin nature inherited from Adam.

It has to be birthed into eternal life by the HOLY SPIRIT HIMSELF.

Ecclesiastes 3:21 (NRSV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Who knows whether the human spirit goes upward and the spirit of animals goes downward to the earth?

Zechariah 12:1 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] An Oracle The word of the LORD concerning Israel. A declaration of the LORD, who stretched out the heavens, laid the foundation of the earth, and formed the spirit of man within him.

You don't have any Computer Bible Software do you? As for the word human used elsewhere in the Scriptures:

Ezekiel 1:5 (ESV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And from the midst of it came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: they had a human likeness,

Ezekiel 1:8 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] ⌊They had⌋ human hands under their wings on their four sides. All four of them had faces and wings.

Ezekiel 1:10 (GW)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Their faces looked like this: From the front, each creature had the face of a human. From the right, each one had the face of a lion. From the left, each one had the face of a bull. And from the back, each one had the face of an eagle.

Ezekiel 27:13 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Javan, Tubal, and Meshech were your traders. They bartered human lives and vessels of bronze for your merchandise.

Daniel 10:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Then this one with human appearance touched me again and strengthened me.

Daniel 2:34 (NIV)
[SUP]34 [/SUP] While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them.

Matthew 15:9 (ISV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Their worship of me is empty, because they teach human rules as doctrines.'"

Without even checking all 21 Versions of the Bible on my Bible Software "WORDsearch Bible" (they also have a free version, but it only has like 5 bibles); I already found 8 Versions of the Bible that use "HUMAN" while translating.

newbirth · Jan 11, 2015

Bowman said:

you were not referring to a Jew in any other way but the way you explained...as one who denies the deity of Christ....those are your words in that context.....and your sorry excuse or an explanation in #1451 proves it...

newbirth · Jan 11, 2015

Bowman said:

you were not referring to a Jew in any other way but the way you explained...as one who denies the deity of Christ....those are your words in that context.....and your sorry excuse or an explanation in #1451 proves it...

newbirth · Jan 11, 2015

VCO said:

the body without the spirit is dead.....if the spirit is dead the body is dead also....where is your scripture to support your crazy claim....you are saying man is born a zombie....just a walking shell with no spirit....where does the scripture say any human spirit has to be birthed into eternal life...if you say the spirit in man has to die and we follow the spirit of God I will agree with you...but this rubbish about ...

is pure madness...

VCO · Jan 11, 2015

newbirth said:

Okay, I am back from Church.

NO, a man is born without his human spirit being eternally alive to the will of GOD.

In other words man is born a sinner, with a sin nature. And has no power to say no to sin.

His human spirit is only in tune with the will of the flesh, which is the same as being spiritually dead.

1 Corinthians 15:22 (HCSB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] For as in Adam all die {inherited sin nature}, so also in Christ {born again} all will be made alive.

When the HOLY SPIRIT brings (births) your human spirit into eternal life, HE also immerses your human spirit into spiritual body of JESUS CHRIST.

Colossians 2:13 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] And when you were dead in trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive with Him and forgave us all our trespasses.

John 3:36 (HCSB)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] The one who believes in the Son has eternal life {PAST TENSE}, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him.

If he was talking about the flesh, it would not die and go to the grave, THEREFORE HE IS TALKING ABOUT THE MOMENT THE HOLY SPIRIT BIRTHS THE HUMAN SPIRIT INTO ETERNAL LIFE.

John 3:3-7 (NIV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."
[SUP]4 [/SUP] "How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!"
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. ⇦
[SUP]7 [/SUP] You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again.'⇦
. . . . . . . . . . . .⇩ ⇩ ⇩ ⇩ ⇩ ⇩ ⇩ ⇩ ⇩. . . . . .
John 5:24 (NIV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes_him who
sent me has eternal life ⇦and will not be condemned; he has crossed
over from death to life. ⇦

You are still standing by the roadside facing Christ, wearing sandals, resisting what CHRIST is teaching, while the whole time you are kicking these goads:

Acts 26:13-15 (NIV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] About noon, O king, as I was on the road, I saw a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, blazing around me and my companions.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] We all fell to the ground, and I heard a voice saying to me in Aramaic, 'Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.'
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "Then I asked, 'Who are you, Lord?'"'I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,' the Lord replied.

PLEASE COME! Open the door of your heart, ask HIM to come in to take control of your life, and to birth your human spirit into eternal life. PLEASE! He is standing at the door knocking.

Bowman · Jan 11, 2015

newbirth said:

You just answered your very own question!

Bowman · Jan 11, 2015

newbirth said:

Replying to the same post twice is an open admission that the truth disturbs you...

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