2 Peter 3:14-16[SUP]14 [/SUP]Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
I haven't been here very long at this forum, but what I have seen from some of your posts Hizikyah that it is you who do not understand, or truly hear what the Holy Spirit is saying in the Law. This is the same mistake the Sadduces and Pharisees made concerning the spiritual law of God. You judge it by outward appearances, and not by the mind of the Spirit.
Just like eating pork will not defile a man, because physical meats cannot enter into the heart of man. If you cannot understand that, then you are still in the flesh, and unable to understand Paul as Peter also said.
You take a passage that is about a hand washing ritual and twist it.
Nice try tho A-team.
"unwashed--hands."
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Originally Posted by
Hizikyah
Mark 7:18 "Are you so dull?" he asked.
That He did ask, you know why... THE PEOPLE WERE "CAUGHT UP", "RAPTURED" IN TRADITION...
7 But in
vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commandments of
men.
8 For
laying aside the Law of
Yahweh, you
hold the tradition of men!
9 Then He said to them: How well you reject the Law of Yahweh, so that you may keep your own
tradition!
Because Messiah say: "nothing from outside a man, that entering into him can defile him" many that want to reject Yahweh;s food Laws say see
I can eat!
But when did context of Scripture not matter? In context the entire passage is about eating with
"unwashed--hands."
Did Peter wait on the Spirit to understand the meaning? Do we look at context?Can we completely remove it from its context and expect to get the true meaning? Also if you consider verse 17, "His disciples asked Him about the parable," yet "all things are clean food" is taught as doctrine, not as parable........Again in context verse 17, parable. SO Messiah proceeds to explain further:
18 He said to them;
Are you also without understanding? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him,
19 Because it does not enter into his heart; mind, but his stomach, and then into the toilet as all food is eliminated?
19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
Now this is where the deception comes in, as you see I have shown verse 19 translated 2 different ways. Which one is correct? The second translation is the much more common translation, here is a short list of translations that match the second translation (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean): New International Version, New Living Translation, English Standard Version, New American Standard Bible, Holman Christian Standard Bible, NET Bible, GOD'S WORD Translation, English Revised Version, Weymouth New Testament.
We will look at the original language, but first I want to mention again, CONTEXT, can we somehow go from the whole topic being about a hand washing ritual and unclean animals not even being in the discussion to unclean animals are now food?
The first thing you will notice is the words, "In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean," are completely absent. Before moving on, I want to ask, why did someone feel the need to forge words into the text that are not there. Is it ok to just add words wherever I want? Of course not.
19 Because it does not enter into his heart but his stomach, and then into the toilet
(856) as all food is cleansed out
(2511)?
19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
856 - aphedrón
aphedrón:
a place of sitting apart, i.e. a privy, drain
Original Word: ἀφεδρών, ῶνος, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: aphedrón
Phonetic Spelling: (af-ed-rone')
Short Definition: a drain, latrine
Definition: a drain, latrine
Word Origin - from apo and hedraios
Definition - a place of sitting apart, i.e. a privy, drain
2511 - katharizó
katharizó:
to cleanse
Original Word: καθαρίζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: katharizó
Phonetic Spelling: (kath-ar-id'-zo)
Short Definition: I make clean
Definition: I cleanse, make clean, literally, ceremonially, or spiritually, according to context.
Word Origin - from katharos
Definition - to cleanse
20 Then He said: That which comes out of the man, that defiles the man;
21 For from within--out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, lust, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, and foolishness--
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man."
No this is not about pork, it is about the pharisee making a show they are holy with their appearances, but Messiah is saying evil is that which should be guarded against.
This exact same account is also detailed in Mattithyah 15, and this is also shown there:
Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"
Mattithyah 15:17, "Do you not yet understand that whatever enters in at the mouth goes into the stomach, and then is cast out in elimination?"
But is we keep readin we see the meaning of the PARABLE:
Mark 7:17, " But when He had left the people and entered the house, His disciples asked Him about the parable."
Mattithyah 15:15, "But Kepha spoke, and said to Him; Explain this parable to us."
Kepha is Peter, so if all foods were cleansed why did Kepha years later still not eat unclean food?
Acts 10:14, "But Kepha said; By no means, Ruler, for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean."
Because Mark 7 & and Matt 15 were not about food but a pharisee hand washing ritual as the parable is explained here same event, but the full explanation was not given, as Matt was His disciple and there with Him when it happened:
Mattithyah 15:20, "These are the things which defile a man--but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man."
As Acts 10 was not about food either:
Acts 10:28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."
So in Mattithyah the parable is fully explained, yet in Mark it is not, is it possibe that is why those false words were added to Mark 7:19? If they were added to Mattithyah 15, it would have been a contradiction, but Mark having not being fully explained, it left the door open.
Originally Posted by
Hizikyah
Mk 17 But when
He had left the people and entered the house,
His disciples asked Him about the
parable.
Mt 15:20, "These are the things which defile a man--but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man."