BEWARE!

[ISeeYou]

Its just retarded to keep posting the same thing over and over again as if others cant see Jesus in these pictures, I can do the same ( copy paste, copy paste, copy paste)

Duet 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him


John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


Duet 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearkenunto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him

Likewise the rejection, is not just of him but of his words (he has spoken) as shown here

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken , the same shall judge himin the last day


John 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

The apostles note this as well here

Acts 17:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, likeunto me; him shall ye hear.

And in respects to the same says...

Acts 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Of his apostles (he that receiveth you) receiveth me (and he that receiveth me) the one who sent even me why?

John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them

The words of eternal salavtion

Heb 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

And that in respects to what is "spoken" John speaks to the doctrine (his words)

He that transgresseth and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ hath not God

Because...

Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

And...

He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ (whose doctrine) was not his hath both the Father and the Son


He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Big deal to do that.

 

[ISeeYou]

Does Paul have an Unclean Spirit Hizikyah? Can you just answer that one question and I will leave off

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Then you are choosing the opposite of what I said. So you are effectively saying, IMO, that no matter what I say, you have you opinion or that me or you know me better than I do....

You want the answer you want, it seems if its not the answer you want, worded the way you want, then its not acceptable...

I already had an opinion of you, as I thought I already made that clear. Your failure to confess Jesus' testimony of Paul as being his chosen vessel as true, and also confess that the doctrine of Paul by the Spirit of Christ in him as being 100% true, just confirms what I said in the beginning.

I hope you do come to knowledge of Jesus Christ, and also accept the testimony of Paul as 100% true. But until then I would ask that you stay away from my posts, as I will not respond to yours; that is until you accept the gospel given to Paul by Jesus Christ as the Truth without any exception, or reservation.

 

[Hizikyah]

Does Paul have an Unclean Spirit Hizikyah? Can you just answer that one question and I will leave off

So you accuse me over and over,

I reply to your and others questions,

NEVER get a reply on mine,

and have my wods twisted into, "well you just said yes but Im saying you say no"

Then...

then you give me an ultimatum, which I have no problem with an ultimatum in itself, but I do have a problem when you will not offer me the same courtesy that you demand....for you have not answered my questions.... you basically say,answer this and I will quit, (IMO), harassing, false witnessing, etc on me?

What about everything that the NT says to behave like.....

So yes I will answer your question in 10 minutes or so, in that time I humbly and sincerely ask that you answer my questions about a full breakdown of Revelation 12:17 & Revelation 22:12-15

 

[ISeeYou]

I thought you would be afraid, thats good,

 

[Hizikyah]

I already had an opinion of you, as I thought I already made that clear. Your failure to confess Jesus' testimony of Paul as being his chosen vessel as true, and also confess that the doctrine of Paul by the Spirit of Christ in him as being 100% true, just confirms what I said in the beginning.

I hope you do come to knowledge of Jesus Christ, and also accept the testimony of Paul as 100% true. But until then I would ask that you stay away from my posts, as I will not respond to yours; that is until you accept the gospel given to Paul by Jesus Christ as the Truth without any exception, or reservation.

#160 answered here yet you continue false witness on me.

Does "accept the gospel given to Paul by Jesus Christ as the Truth without any exception, or reservation" mean I only read what Paul wrote or am I allowed to read what Messiah said, did, and taught while in the flesh?

 

[Hizikyah]

So yes I will answer your question in 10 minutes or so, in that time I humbly and sincerely ask that you answer my questions about a full breakdown of Revelation 12:17 & Revelation 22:12-15

I thought you would be afraid, thats good,

Wow so do you even read what I write?

I know my answer, I was going you the opportunity to provide me with the same measure you ask of me....

For this is the Law and the prophets;

Matt 7:12, "So then, whatever you desire that others would do to and for you, even so do also to and for them, for this is (sums up) the Law and the Prophets."

 

[Hizikyah]

I thought you would be afraid, thats good,

you like to make people fear, is that not the opposite of love miss "Iseeyou"

"for the Spirit of Yah has not given us a spirit of fear..."

 

[Hizikyah]

Does Paul have an Unclean Spirit Hizikyah? Can you just answer that one question and I will leave off

Once Paul got called by AND accepted Yahshua, no I do not believe he had a unclean spirit.

When he was basically a hitman/bounty hunter of the pharisees I believe he did at that time.

Just so none try to twist my words, I repeat;

Once Paul got called by AND accepted Yahshua, no I do not believe he had a unclean spirit.

 

[ISeeYou]

I talked on the other thread with you, and then told you would be on ignore over on the other, so its my fault for responding to you here.

From here on out I am done, I have already taken up this dance.

If you reject Paul thats on you.

The whole church is infected with the weirdest doctrines, I cannot even keep up, I pitty those coming to Jesus Christ at this time, good luck to them getting grounded in the faith among the massive winds of doctrines blowing through the churches and online. Certainly these are going to have one heck of a time getting equipped through her no wonder most are like a wave of the sea.

Im done

 

[Hizikyah]

I thought you would be afraid, thats good,

#160 answered here yet you continue false witness on me.

Does "accept the gospel given to Paul by Jesus Christ as the Truth without any exception, or reservation" mean I only read what Paul wrote or am I allowed to read what Messiah said, did, and taught while in the flesh?

Once Paul got called by AND accepted Yahshua, no I do not believe he had a unclean spirit.

When he was basically a hitman/bounty hunter of the pharisees I believe he did at that time.

Just so none try to twist my words, I repeat;

Once Paul got called by AND accepted Yahshua, no I do not believe he had a unclean spirit.

I talked on the other thread with you, and then told you would be on ignore over on the other, so its my fault for responding to you here.

From here on out I am done, I have already taken up this dance.

If you reject Paul thats on you.

The whole church is infected with the weirdest doctrines, I cannot even keep up, I pitty those coming to Jesus Christ at this time, good luck to them getting grounded in the faith among the massive winds of doctrines blowing through the churches and online. Certainly these are going to have one heck of a time getting equipped through her no wonder most are like a wave of the sea.

Im done

Leviticus 19:17, "...Rebuke your brother (or your sister) frankly, so you will not share in his (or her) guilt." ;

"Do not pervert judgment: You shall not show partiality to the poor, nor honor to the person of the great. In righteousness you shall judge your neighbor fairly. You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people."

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Beware! Non-Pauline Christians are no Christians at all. They look like a lamb on the outside, but they speak with the mouth of a Dragon.

They deny the grace of the gospel in Jesus Christ by promoting salvation through the works of the law. Beware, they are working in these forums.

That's true, they can't be Christian, and have been subverting "baby" Christians ever since the first century, continuing on the internet from the old BB days. They might have started off so, but have fallen into the mess of Galatians 3:1-5 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP] O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
[SUP]2 [/SUP] This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Rejecting Paul, they then resort to name calling as a defense. They call Christians "antinomians". Ever since that term was coined by Martin Luther in 1539, it has grown to define Christians who are saved by grace through faith as lawless anarchists who reject established social morality. Only a fool would see the Church that way. We know the New Testament contains a higher law than the Mosaic, which Israel failed to keep, God having to ruin their land and send them into exile. Yet, some folks demand that we Gentile believers master that way which the Jews could not do.

Because they tend to ignore Pauline scriptures that expose their folly, there is no end of the dispute. This is like the debates of Calvinism. Calvinists persist by denying scriptures that oppose them, while misinterpreting scriptures they think support them. Again, such opposition is rooted in a disrespect for the apostle Paul in favor of the old covenant.

It's probably best to make a suitable statement in a thread then go on to the next, else they rip and tear at us like wolves, while continuing to argue with them only feeds their frenzy. There is no debate possible when one side refuses to accept another debater's point of reference that has been unsuccessfully challenged over thuosands of years, that as a whole the Bible is regarded by the majority of the Church as the inerrant inspired word of God.

So, what they do is but a one-sided attack like with the mind of an extremist Muslim defending Islam. Biblical answers don't matter unless the interpretation matches theirs. I am pesuaded of the Holy Spirit that spending too much time arguing like done here isn't healthy or very fruitful, that most people needing to hear the gospel will answer to Jesus by faith when hearing but the cross of Christ preached.

I am not familiar with any Church needing the laws of Moses having to be read to convince people they are sinners. The words of Chirst and the apostles are quite sufficient, and becasue that does change minds to answer when the Father calls to salvation, they come. The Father wouldn't call any Gentile at all if the candidate called required hearing the Mosaic laws, knowing those won't be preached. I didn't pay attention to a bit of Moses for at least the first 10 years into being saved. Yet, the Judaizers often remain confused themselves, such as thinking the books of Moses were chronologically produced, when he wrote but one scroll, which was much later in history divided into 5 books. So there's a lot of sad confusion among them.

Don't let it ruin your day, brethren. Most people see through their argument, knowing how much the Holy Spirit loves all the epistles, promoting Paul's ministry to his last day. Otherwise we would have by now been surrounded by law-based religious congregations.

 

[Utah]

So this is what I dont get.Lets sum up both sides of the argument...

Side One...You cannot lose your salvation.They use the "no one can pluck you out of my hand" verse etc.So once you're saved you're always saved.

Side Two...You cannot lose your salvation but you can walk away from salvation by choice,free will.

Ok we all agree that murder is wrong,the Bible clearly says it's an offence you will go to hell for.So a "Christian" commits a murder.Side one would say "Well he was never really saved in the first place".And side two will say "he lost his salvation because he walked away from the Lord." Either side is actually saying the same thing.Either way the person is without salvation.Both sides believe you cant continue in sin and be saved.And here we have a whole tread condemning the other to hell for a difference in opinion.And then we wonder why we have atheists smh. Both sides need to grow up.

No, my sister. You don't go to hell for murder, you go to hell for not having faith in Jesus Christ. If a Christian commits murder then truly repents, the blood of Jesus brings forth grace and that person is forgiven. Remember, Stephen died at the encouragement of Paul, we call that conspiracy to commit murder, and look who Paul became.

Sorry, back to the op.

 

[Hizikyah]

Revelation 2:9, "I know your works, and tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich), and I know how you are slandered by those who say they are Yahdaim (Jews), and are not,but are the synagogue of Satan."

(To the Church in Pergamum) Revelation 2:14, "But I have a few things against you: you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, so that they might eat food sacrificed to idols and practice sexual immorality." (ESV)

Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols." (ESV)

 

[Grandpa]

So the devil only attacks Paul?

I guess we learn something every day...

Ohh wait, it seems you misusing Scripture to "prove" you agenda.

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

New American Standard Bible
So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

King James Bible
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

and im the one who "ignores" or "doesn't accept truth"

yeah.

Who is the Dragon mad at?

Those who are not subject to the Law/Commandments?

or....

"those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah"

Its really tricky talking and explaining about the law with someone who doesn't understand or even trust Pauls words.

Only those who are not subject to the Law are the ones who are actually keeping it. They are not keeping it by their own works because they are not trying to keep any laws. They are keeping it only by the One who works in them. The Lord Jesus Christ.

Paul describes, very simply and directly, how this is accomplished through the Holy Spirit.

Galatians 2:19 [SUP] [/SUP]For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

If you are trying to keep the law then you are not dead to it and you are not living unto God. You have decided that working at the law is what God desires of you. You misunderstand and haven't submitted to the righteousness of God.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

There's always some excuse for people who do not believe Paul to point back to the law and attempt to place Christians back under it. But we are shown and told that once we come to Christ we are no longer under the Law.

Matthew 11:28-30
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Galatians 3:24-26

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

If you don't understand or trust Paul you can't understand what the Lord Jesus Christ has given us.

John 16:13-14

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

 

[Hizikyah]

SO how does that address what is written in Revelation?

and rejecting the Law is keeping it and keeping it is rejecting it.... ok

Is seems one would have to know the heart of the one "keeping" said Law....

Its really tricky talking and explaining about the law with someone who doesn't understand or even trust Pauls words.

Only those who are not subject to the Law are the ones who are actually keeping it. They are not keeping it by their own works because they are not trying to keep any laws. They are keeping it only by the One who works in them. The Lord Jesus Christ.

Paul describes, very simply and directly, how this is accomplished through the Holy Spirit.

Galatians 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

If you are trying to keep the law then you are not dead to it and you are not living unto God. You have decided that working at the law is what God desires of you. You misunderstand and haven't submitted to the righteousness of God.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

There's always some excuse for people who do not believe Paul to point back to the law and attempt to place Christians back under it. But we are shown and told that once we come to Christ we are no longer under the Law.

Matthew 11:28-30
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Galatians 3:24-26

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

If you don't understand or trust Paul you can't understand what the Lord Jesus Christ has given us.

John 16:13-14

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

 

[RickyZ]

Paul also said we are not to bicker amongst each other. I don't see that truth in play here.

 

[Hizikyah]

Paul also said we are not to bicker amongst each other. I don't see that truth in play here.

Leviticus 19:17, "You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother (or your sister) frankly, so you will not share in his (or her) guilt."

Luke 17:3-4, "So be on your guard! If your brother trespasses against you, rebuke him! But if he repents, forgive him! And if he trespasses against you seven times in one day, and seven times in that day turns to you, and says; I repent; then you must forgive him."

Proverbs 27:5-6, "Open rebuke is better than concealed love. Faithful are the wounds from a friend, but the kisses from an enemy are deceitful."

Yaaqob 5:20, "Let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way, will save his soul from death and cover a multitude of sins." (not save me save them)

Proverbs 24:25-26, "But he who rebukes the wicked will be a delight, and a righteous blessing will be called upon him. A fitting; appropriate, answer is like a kiss on the lips."

Proverbs 12:1, "Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge, but he who hates correction is brutish"

Proverbs 15:12, "A scorner has no love for one who would reprove him, so he will not go near the wise."

Yah says:


Hosheyah 4:6, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you will be no priest to Me. Because you have forgotten the Law of Yahweh, I will also forget your children."

 

[Grandpa]

SO how does that address what is written in Revelation?

and rejecting the Law is keeping it and keeping it is rejecting it.... ok

Is seems one would have to know the heart of the one "keeping" said Law....

Being dead to the Law is not rejecting it. Being dead to the Law is being alive to God.

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

The stony heart follows after the law written on stone.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

This Spirit is alive to God. Its the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit causes Love, Joy, Peace and a multitude of other traits that cause us to walk in Gods statutes.

We can't do it by the working of our flesh and carnal minds.

Its not hard to understand. Its impossible to understand. It must be recieved and known and experienced.

John 3:6-8
[SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

 

[Hizikyah]

Being dead to the Law is not rejecting it. Being dead to the Law is being alive to God.

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

The stony heart follows after the law written on stone.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

This Spirit is alive to God. Its the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit causes Love, Joy, Peace and a multitude of other traits that cause us to walk in Gods statutes.

We can't do it by the working of our flesh and carnal minds.

Its not hard to understand. Its impossible to understand. It must be recieved and known and experienced.

John 3:6-8
[SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

So because I take great joy when I do follow His Torah/Instructions/Law I am called a heretic... but as you stated His Spirit causes us to love and walk in His law, only Yah knows my heart.

Ezekiyl 36:26-28, "A new heart; mind, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."

Yeremyah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

This is why Paul wrote;

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."