HIZIKYAH'S TOPIC: DID PAUL SIN [DESPITE BEING T DESIGNATED HUMAN EXAMPLE IN THE NT]?

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Re: HIZIKYAH'S TOPIC: DID PAUL SIN [DESPITE BEING T DESIGNATED HUMAN EXAMPLE IN THE

Before The Almighty, I will tell you what my 2nd thought was after I read page one till I finally posted on page 3.... Before our Everlasting One - I thought to myself - now watch him make this all about 'himself' being persecuted.

Enjoy yourself Hiz. Enjoy what you're doing on this thread AT others who stood behind you since they first signed onto this forum so you wouldn't get banned for being thought of as HRM.

Enjoy being in the spot-light as you falsely accuse those that stood by you from the beginning of their membership here.

Enjoy separating Friends for the sake of your own ego --- bottomline.

I'm unsubscribing with our Brother - as our Friend, the Apostle Paul has directed in these cases as well.

Enjoy the limelight without His Light for what you've done here on this thread from page 1.
 

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Hiz, suddenly changes hiz mind and begins to post Paul again at the end here of this thread. Amazing, no?
1st post of mine in this thread:

Thank you for inviting me to the party!

Most people cast Messiah's words aside for their misunderstanding of Paul's writings, I am saying one must know what the Messiah said, and IMO Paul should be understood as being filtered through Messiah, not Messiah filtered through Paul, now I know the initial reaction would be to say, all Scripture is from the Most High, and I do not doubt that, however, there is a difference when a "OT" writer says, .......snip

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I am not saying Paul was not inspired, that would be putting word in my mouth, but what people do not seem to understand is Paul's writings were letters to SPECIFIC groups of people with specific issues. Issues that may or may not apply to any certain persona living now, and can thus be very useful, BUT, since we do not fully know exactly what was going on with said specific people I find it silly to use those as a filter for the words of Messiah, or as some people use them as a "blender" for the words of Messiah, but rather Messiah words should be a filter FOR every writer of Scripture.

And I will illustrate why;


2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."

What did, "take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people" mean?


By lawless people was he actually warning against people who would preach obedience to said Law?

Or by lawlessness is he warning against people who would preach against said Law THROUGH THEIR MISUNDERSTANDING? That we are warned of; "hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people"
 

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This ought to be the first tip off. He plainly ignores this...

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

And obviously doesn't believe this...
Now John, if you speak of me, you need to beware of bearing false witness & take note that liars go to the Lake of Fire. Of course I believe the above and that the Lord Jesus is YHWH.

Very interesting but Paul said this...

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Seems to me that if you thought that someone was the Leader of a church and that you wanted to follow Him, you would read what He said and did in His lifetime, but Atwood assures us the gospels are not for us.
Again, thou shalt not bear false witness. All scripture is FOR us and profitable, but not all scripture is TO us, or will you go and build an ark??? Will you offer animal sacrifices? Will you seek ashes of a red heifer to mix with holy water if you become defiled? Speaking of the gospels, do you own more than one coat???

1Co 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Yes, follow Paul AS HE FOLLOWS CHRIST.
So what? Paul is still the only human aside from Christ which we are told to imitate -- or do you have someone else to quote?

Acts 20:35 "In all things I gave you an example,"

by the way, Paul said to look to Israel of the past...

1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
But Israel is not put for as AN EXAMPLE TO COPY. And it is the things that happened to them which are examples, in your verse, not the Israelites themselves.

I save that kind of admiration and worship for someone else...
We do not worship Paul, but I can't help but admire him, sinner saved by grace as all Christians are.

Seems you don't really know Paul and you tell us not to worry about the life and times of Jesus Christ for they are irrelevant. I think I'll continue to follow Paul AS HE FOLLOWED CHRIST.
Seems you are judgmental -- beware that judging is a sin. And beware of making false accusations. I never said that the life & times of the Lord Jesus are irrelevant.

All scripture is for us. But the scripture most specifically to us starts in Acts 2. The sayings of Jesus on earth are God's word & profitable, but He was sent to Israel & the law was in effect. He taught one must keep every jot & tittle of the Law of Moses -- but He fulfilled it & nailed it to His cross. Now I don't believe you make any effort whatever to keep every jot & tittle of the Law of Moses. Neither do you keep all the commandments in the 4 gospels.

"Go not into any way of the Gentiles, and enter not into any city of the Samaritans: but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons: freely ye received, freely give. Get you no gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses; no wallet for your journey, neither two coats, nor shoes, nor staff: for the laborer is worthy of his food. And into whatsoever city or village ye shall enter, search out who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go forth."


"And he answered and said unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none"

Let me know when you have only 1 coat. Now go find some bums under bridges & give away all your coats except 1. And whenever you go on a trip, take no wallet with you.
 
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Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"
Yes, Christians establish the law. We recognize the law is just, good and holy, Rom 7:12. We also acknowledge that under this good, just, holy law we are rightly judged as sinners deserving of the death penalty, as only the righteous enter into God's kingdom.

Christians had thus appealed to God's mercy. We're saved by grace. And it's our faith that is now counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.

Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

Romans 7:14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin.

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

Romans 7:7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.

Romans 7:12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.
you use scriptures without understanding, being unable to rightly divide the word.

Christ, the inward man within Christians (Rom 7:22) delights after the law. And it's Christ in us that God sees. Thus in Christ, believers are positionally righteous, holy, perfect, sinless.

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
And because you admit you violate the law (definition 1b above) then you yourself are a worker of iniquity as you are under the jurisdiction of the law (Rom 3:19) and you fail to keep it perfectly as is required.

Christians, however, do the will of God the Father (Matt 7:21). We believe on Jesus, which is God's will for us, John 6:40.
 
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1 Corinthians 4:15-16, "For though you have countlessb guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father (3962. patér) in Christ Jesus through the gospel. I urge you, then, be imitators of me."

Matthew 23:9, "And call no man your father (3962. patér) on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven."

John 7:16-17 "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching--whether it comes from Yahweh, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."

Yahchanan (John) 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."

Sure - OK - and all of the other posts that are Anti-Paul are all canceled out with this one-liner here in re-post 342 "I am not saying Paul was not inspired...."- as if we don't know what Double-Speak is? ......Give us a break and quit calling us all DUMB SHEEP by imposing your double-speak onto us as if we're gonna buy it at this point. You've blown any chances of making a change in the easy-believism crowd's mind by your OBVIOUS all-but-distain for Paul ... and then suddenly beginning to post Paul again to reel in a sheep that you thought you were finally getting to. You have one sheep following your way - that's enough - but we won't have our wool pulled over our eyes again.

Happy Traveling.
 

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1 Corinthians 4:15-16, "For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father (3962. patér) in Christ Jesus through the gospel. I urge you, then, be imitators of me."

Matthew 23:9, "And call no man your father (3962. patér) on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven."
 

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And because you admit you violate the law (definition 1b above) then you yourself are a worker of iniquity as you are under the jurisdiction of the law (Rom 3:19) and you fail to keep it perfectly as is required.
1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."

1 Timothy 4:1-2, "Now the Spirit speaks very plainly, that in the latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared as with a hot iron"

Christians, however, do the will of God the Father (Matt 7:21). We believe on Jesus, which is God's will for us, John 6:40.
King James Bible
Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."
 
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1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."
You claim you can have it both ways so you quote scriptures without understanding.
you claim that we must keep the commandments.
BUT, you FAIL to keep the commandments yourself.
Thus you conveniently misuse 1John 1:8 to justify your FAILURE to keep the law.

BTW, 1John1 is evangelical in context. Note that it declares eternal life (John 3:16) so that the lost who it addresses may also have fellowship. The unbelievers it addresses are those who are like Paul was before his conversion, blameless under the law (Phil 3:6).

1 Timothy 4:1-2, "Now the Spirit speaks very plainly, that in the latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared as with a hot iron"
This applies to Legalists.

King James Bible
Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."
As you FAIL to keep the commandments then you imply with this scripture that you are not of her seed.
 
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thecreationtutor said:
someone should read the book of Hebrews
I agree.

Hebrews 7:11-12, "Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it
the people received the law)--Heb 7:11,
What law did the people receive?

The people received the Mosaic law.

what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity
a change also of the law." (v.12)
A change of what law?

Of the law the people received (v.11), the Mosaic law.

Further:
Heb 7:17-18: "the former regulation is set aside," (v.18)

What regulation?

The former regulation which the people received (v.11), the Mosaic law.

"because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect)" (vv.18-19)

What law was given for righteousness, which no one could keep and could make no one perfect?

The Mosaic law, the law the people received (v.11) which was changed (v.12)
because it depended on the priesthood (v.11) which was changed (v.12).

"and a better hope is introduced by which we draw near to God." (v.19)

What better hope than the law of righteousness?

The new covenant--better because it gives complete redemption and brings us
into the very presence of God.

3331. metathesis
Strong's Concordance
metathesis: a change, removal​
Original Word: μετάθεσις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: metathesis
Phonetic Spelling: (met-ath'-es-is)
Short Definition:change, transformation, removal
Definition: (a) change, transformation, (b) removal.

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) transfer: from one place to another 2) to change 2a) of things instituted or established
—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

From G3346; transposition, that is, transferral (to heaven), disestablishment (of a law):—change, removing, translation.

Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."
This refers to the Davidic covenant whose every word is fulfilled and which, therefore, stands forever.

It does not refer to the Mosaic covenant ,nor the Mosaic law on which the covenant was based.
 
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You claim you can have it both ways so you quote scriptures without understanding.
you claim that we must keep the commandments.
BUT, you FAIL to keep the commandments yourself.
Thus you conveniently misuse 1John 1:8 to justify your FAILURE to keep the law.

BTW, 1John1 is evangelical in context. Note that it declares eternal life (John 3:16) so that the lost who it addresses may also have fellowship. The unbelievers it addresses are those who are like Paul was before his conversion, blameless under the law (Phil 3:6).

This applies to Legalists.

As you FAIL to keep the commandments then you imply with this scripture that you are not of her seed.
Genesis (Bereshith) 50:20, "You intended harm against me, but Yahweh intended it for blessing, in order to accomplish this day the keeping alive of many people."
 

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This refers to the Davidic covenant whose every word is fulfilled and which, therefore, stands forever.

It does not refer to the Mosaic covenant ,nor the Mosaic law on which the covenant was based.
Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."
 

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Re: HIZIKYAH'S TOPIC: DID PAUL SIN [DESPITE BEING T DESIGNATED HUMAN EXAMPLE IN THE

Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Psalm 19:7-10, "The Laws of Yahweh are perfect, converting the whole person. The testimony of Yahweh is sure, making the simple ones wise. The statutes of Yahweh are right, rejoicing the heart; mind. The commandments of Yahweh are pure, bringing understanding to the eyes. The reverence of Yahweh is clean, enduring forever. The judgments of Yahweh are true and altogether righteous. They are more to be desired than gold, yes, than even much fine gold. They are sweeter than honey and the honeycomb."
 

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Amen Elin I was looking at just the same thing as you, you can write these out in so many ways, just thought these were cool.

The law of
the LORD is perfect, Psalm 19:7

But the law made nothing perfect,

the better hope did (Heb 7:1, 7:19)

Even as it says,

Psalm 19:7
The law of the LORD is perfect, (((converting*** the soul))) the testimony of the LORD is sure making wise the simple

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law (((was our*** schoolmaster))) to bring us unto Christ, (((that we might be justified)) by faith.


............... To the law and to the testimony..........

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is ((( no light ))) in them

Isaiah 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.


1Cr 1:6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:


John 3:3 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.

The sureness is with the testimony

Psalm 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, (((converting the soul))) the testimony of the LORD is sure, (((making wise the simple)))

2 Peter 1:19 We have (((also))) a more sure
((word )) of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, (((until))) the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

Rev 19:10... the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

The law is light, Prov 6:23 and the testimony is a light. 2 Peter 1:19

Love this between the two

The law of the LORD is perfect, Psalm 19:7

But the law made nothing perfect,

the better hope did (Heb 7:1, 7:19)


 

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Revelation 12:17

New International Version
Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring--those who keep God's commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

New Living Translation
And the dragon was angry at the woman and declared war against the rest of her children--all who keep God's commandments and maintain their testimony for Jesus.

English Standard Version
Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
New American Standard Bible
So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
 

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Isayah 8:20, "To the Law* and to the testimony*: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

Revelation 12:17, "So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the *commandments of God and hold to the *testimony of Jesus."
 

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But the law made nothing perfect, the better hope did (Heb 7:1, 7:19)
Hebrews 7:11-12, "Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."

changed 3331. metathesis

Strong's Concordance
metathesis: a change, removal
Original Word: μετάθεσις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: metathesis
Phonetic Spelling: (met-ath'-es-is)
Short Definition:change, transformation, removal
Definition: (a) change, transformation, (b) removal.

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) transfer: from one place to another 2) to change 2a) of things instituted or established
—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

From G3346; transposition, that is, transferral (to heaven), disestablishment (of a law):—change, removing, translation.

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, Yahweh Shammah, coming down from Yahweh out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father.
 
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Elin said:
This refers to the Davidic covenant whose every word is fulfilled and which, therefore, stands forever.

It does not refer to the Mosaic covenant, nor the Mosaic law on which the covenant was based.

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."
We see in v.11 of the psalm that this refers to the covenant of the land promise (Ge 15:9:21),
whose fulfillment is explained in Heb 11:13-16 as being fulfilled in the heavenly land/city and,
therefore, likewise stands forever.

This likewise does not refer to the Mosaic covenant, nor the Mosaic law on which the covenant was based.
 
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We see in v.11 of the psalm that this refers to the covenant of the land promise (Ge 15:9:21),
whose fulfillment is explained in Heb 11:13-16 as being fulfilled in the heavenly land/city and,
therefore, likewise stands forever.

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, Yahweh Shammah, coming down from Yahweh out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father.

Ezekiyl 48:35, "The distance around the city will be eighteen thousand measures; and the name of the city from that day will be: YAHWEH SHAMMAH (Yahweh Is There)."

Revelation 21:4-8 And Yahweh will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away. And He Who sat upon the throne, said: Behold, I make all things new. And He said to me: Write, for these words are true and faithful.And He said to me: It is done! I am Aleph and Tau, the Beginning and the End. I will give to him who thirsts of the fountain of the water of life freely. He who overcomes will inherit all things; and I will be his Father, and he will be My son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and worshipers of false gods, and all liars, will have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone--which is the second death."

Revelation 21:9-27, "And there came to me one of the seven malakim who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying: Come, I will show you the brides, the Lamb's wives. And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great city, the holy Yahweh Shammah, descending out of heaven from Yahweh, Having the glory of Yahweh. And her light was similar to a most precious stone, just like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; And had a great and high wall, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve malakim, and names written upon them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israyl: On the east, three gates; on the north, three gates; on the south, three gates, and on the west, three gates. And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. And he who talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and its gates, and its wall. And the city lies four square, and the length is as large as the breadth. And he measured the city with the reed: twelve thousand stadia; about 1,500 miles. The length, and the breadth, and the height of it are equal. And he measured its wall: a hundred and forty-four cubits, according to human measurements, that the malak was using; about 216 feet. And the construction of its wall was of jasper; and the city was pure gold, like clear glass. The foundations of the wall of the city were adorned with all kinds of precious stones: the first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth beryl, The fifth emerald, the sixth ruby, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth onyx, the ninth topaz, the tenth turquoise, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst. And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; each individual gate was of one pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, as it were, transparent as glass. And I saw no pagan sanctuary in it; for THE Tabernacle OF YAHWEH, the body of Messiah, was in it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it; for the glory of Yahweh does enlighten it, and its lamp is the Lamb. And the nations of those who are saved will walk in the light of it. And the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honor into it. And the gates of it will not be shut at all by day, for there will be no night there. And they will bring the glory and honor of the nations into it. And there will by no means enter into it anything that defiles, nor works abomination, neither a lie; but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life."

Revelation 21:4-8 And Yahweh will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away. And He Who sat upon the throne, said: Behold, I make all things new. And He said to me: Write, for these words are true and faithful...."

Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

Revelation 21:4-8 And Yahweh will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away. And He Who sat upon the throne, said: Behold, I make all things new. And He said to me: Write, for these words are true and faithful...."
 

ISeeYou

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These confirm, and then again, just Pauls under

1Cr 17:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing,
but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Isaiah 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

1Cr 1:6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

1Cr 1:6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:

1Cr 17:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

 

Hizikyah

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We see in v.11 of the psalm that this refers to the covenant of the land promise (Ge 15:9:21),
whose fulfillment is explained in Heb 11:13-16 as being fulfilled in the heavenly land/city and,
therefore, likewise stands forever.

This likewise does not refer to the Mosaic covenant, nor the Mosaic law on which the covenant was based.
Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Matt 24:42-43, "Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Ruler is coming.But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into"


2Pe 3:10 But the day of Yah will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Malakyah 4:1-4,"For, behold, the day comes that will burn like an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all who do wickedly, will be stubble--the day that comes will burn them up, says Yahweh of hosts; and it will leave them neither root nor branch. But for you who reverence My Name, the light of righteousness will arise with healing in its wings; and you will go out, leaping like calves released from the stall. And you will tread down the wicked; for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I will do this, says Yahweh of hosts. Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments."
 
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