Trinity?

[Bowman]

Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...

look Spirit of God and Spirit of Christ...same Spirit......from Gen1.2
Romans 8:8-10King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

So...

What happened to you mentioning the OT location(s) for your other scriptural examples?!

That's right...you failed to even mention it.....hoping that your intended audience was even more ignorant than yourself.

Too bad that you were wrong.

Furthermore....the one time you do mention ANY OT connection whatsoever - its NOT even the right location!


You have failed on every possible level...

 

[VCO]

Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...

Scripture is clear that The Word is NOT The Spirit.

AND SCRIPTURE is clear the Holy Spirit is GOD.


Acts 5:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Then Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the proceeds from the field?
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Wasn’t it yours while you possessed it? And after it was sold, wasn’t it at your disposal? Why is it that you planned this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God!”

 

[newbirth]

Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...

AND SCRIPTURE is clear the Holy Spirit is GOD.


Acts 5:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Then Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the proceeds from the field?
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Wasn’t it yours while you possessed it? And after it was sold, wasn’t it at your disposal? Why is it that you planned this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God!”

that does not make God a trinity ...the HS is the Spirit of God...the HS is the Spirit of Christ.....there is no such thing as the HS is the Spirit of the HS....

look at this scripture...when one is in the Spirit...the Spirit of God which is the same Spirit of Christ dwells in him...do you see a Spirit of the HS
Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[Bowman]

Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...

Who created the World?


· God The Father (Psalm 102.25; Heb 1.2)
· God The Son (John 1.3; Col 1.16; Heb 1.8 – 10)
· God The Spirit (Gen 1.2; Job 33.4; Psalm 104.30)


You are without excuse.

Look at this folks...

NB asks for scripture and then runs from it!


Rotflol....!!!!!!

 

[newbirth]

Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...

So...

What happened to you mentioning the OT location(s) for your other scriptural examples?!

That's right...you failed to even mention it.....hoping that your intended audience was even more ignorant than yourself.

Too bad that you were wrong.

Furthermore....the one time you do mention ANY OT connection whatsoever - its NOT even the right location!


You have failed on every possible level...

is there a need to show ?..is it not the same God the Father...? Christ is the image of that God....Christ is the Spirit of that God...Christ is the Word of that God...that is why there is only one way to God that is through Christ...if Christ himself were not that same Spirit then there would be two ways...one through the Son and one through the Spirit....

 

[Bowman]

Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...

is there a need to show ?..is it not the same God the Father...? Christ is the image of that God....Christ is the Spirit of that God...Christ is the Word of that God...that is why there is only one way to God that is through Christ...if Christ himself were not that same Spirit then there would be two ways...one through the Son and one through the Spirit....

If you were confident in your cultic reasoning, then there would be absolutely NO reason for you to run away from scripture, like you are doing.

But...your falling-to-the-ground, utter scriptural depravity, shows us that you are a pathetic cult follower, and nothing else.

Watch her run folks....!

 

[VCO]

Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...

is there a need to show ?..is it not the same God the Father...? Christ is the image of that God....Christ is the Spirit of that God...Christ is the Word of that God...that is why there is only one way to God that is through Christ...if Christ himself were not that same Spirit then there would be two ways...one through the Son and one through the Spirit....

John 1:1 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,and the Word was God.
John 1:14 (HCSB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]The Word became flesh and took up residence among us.
We observed His glory, the glory as the One and Only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

John 14:15-17 (YLT)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] `If ye love me, my commands keep,
[SUP]16 [/SUP] and I will ask the Father, and another Comforter He will give to you, that he may remain with you--to the age;[SUP]17 [/SUP] the Spiritof truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it doth not behold him, nor know him, and ye know him, because he doth remain with you, and shall be in you.

Acts 5:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Then Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the proceeds from the field?
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Wasn’t it yours while you possessed it? And after it was sold, wasn’t it at your disposal? Why is it that you planned this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God!”

 

[DiscipleDave]

DiscipleDave

lol, pizza must not be a Truth, Abortion must not be True, a million must not be True, Trinity must not be True, Rapture must not be True, according to this same logic you use above. Just because the Bible does not mention certain things, does not make everything else that is NOT mentioned untrue.

You ask "where did you get that truth " If i told you the Truth, you would not believe me. But that i give credit where it is due, because i don't want people thinking that i have came to this knowledge by my own power or through my own studies. i will tell you the Truth. God told me.
Call me crazy, call me strange, call me a liar, does not change the Truth that i have spoken with Angels of God, had conversations with God many times, seen visions of the future, had dreams of the future as if i were actually standing there. What i teach is what God has told me in many of our conversations. Is it my fault that this generation does not believe God speaks to people any more? Even though it is written He is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Can you show me where it is written that God STOPS speaking to people? Is it not written in the latter days, God Spirit will be poured out on the Sons and Daughters and they shall prophesies. And now that one of those sons who the Lord has revealed a great many things to you, reveals to you the same Truths that God revealed to him, you do not believe because it is not in the Word of God.
What point would there be if God poured out the gift of prophesy to someone who has no new prophesies? lol, God has revealed to me what is going to happen in the future, how it is all going to happen and why it is all going to happen. if i lie then let me burn in Hell for all eternity, if i am lying let every known disease in the world come upon me, and not only me but those that i love and that love me. i lie not. NOT my fault if you do not believe God speaks to people in the last days.

^i^

are you saying you have new scripture from God???...then why does the scripture say ....if an angel comes with a different gospel let him be accursed....you have a different gospel and Paul is telling me not to follow you....

You say i teach a different gospel, how is it different? i teach the same Gospel, it is not a different Gospel. You say i teach a different Gospel as to convince yourself not to hear the Truth. i teach nothing contrary to sound doctrine. As for you question "are you saying you have new scripture from God???" New Scriptures, no. There is only one Scriptures. Tell me something, the Bible itself teaches there are things in the Bible that will not be revealed until the last days. So then if someone reveals something new in the last days, you automatically discard what they say because it is NEW? Was not John told to seal up information UNTIL that last days. That information was not revealed in Scriptures, but will be revealed in the last days. Tell me if NEW things are revealed in the last days, will you believe them or discard them.
Tell where in Scriptures does it teach that God stops speaking to people? it doesn't, isn't that what man teaches? What i know God has told me. if you do not believe me, then it is not me you disagree with, but God who told me those things. Those who have the HOly Ghost in them, will recognize the Truth when they hear it. This Truth i teach does not come from me, but comes from God. is it my fault you do not believe it.
If you claim i teach a DIFFERENT Gospel, then by all means show the Scriptures that contradict anything that i have said. So we all can know that i teach a different Gospel. You do error in accusing me of this wickedness.
Lets say that God has indeed talked with me, and i have had many conversations with God in the past, and He has revealed NEW things to me, like what the mark of the Beast actually is, How it will come about, what the antichrist will do, that the 144000 are children who make it through the Tribulation Period protected by Angels of God. Lets say that God DID tell me those things and many more things like. IS there ANY Scriptures that forbid that? Is there ANY Scriptures that teach God can't talk to people these days? Is there ANY Scriptures that says God will not pour out His Spirit on the sons and daughter in the last days and they shall PROPHESY? What? NONE!!!! So why then is it so hard for the people in this generation to believe that God will reveal to whom God reveals? When there is NOTHING in the Scriptures that says He won't do exactly that.
Now let say God told me the 144,000 are children, and i tell you what He told me, that the 144000 are children. Is it my fault you do not believe me when i tell you what He has told me concerning the 144000, you do not disagree with me, but with Him who told me they were children. What then, because it is not in the Scriptures it can't be True? Where is the logic in that thinking coming from? Is it not written in Scriptures that if they were to write down all that Jesus did, that the world itself would not be able to contain the books. So what then? IF God reveals to a person OTHER things that Jesus did do, it can't possibly be True, because it is not in Scriptures? You do error in believing the teachings of men which teach if it is not in Scriptures it is a different gospel. You will believe as you choose to believe. i will believe in what God has told me, i KNOW who it is that speaks with me. Many of you who disagree with what i teach will say it is a demon or the devil that spoke with me. Lol, the pharisees said the same thing, did they not? "He cast out demon, by the prince of demons"
The same voice i have had conversations with tells me, more times than i can remember this one statement.
LOVE ONE ANOTHER
The same voice says things like
If what you believe contradicts even one verse in My Word, then what you believe is wrong
The same voice says things like
David, there is not sin that you do that you can't cease from
Do these sound like the words of demons, or from God? i know who the voice is, it is God. Tell me the Truth that you know and believe does it come from God Himself, or from men?

2 Corinthians 11:1-5King James Version (KJV)
11 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.

i have done none of this, i have not preached another Jesus, i have not preached another Gospel. Maybe you do not believe me, because the Truth is not in you, i mean that might be possible too, right? or do you know the Truth given to you by God as well?

Tell me, what great punishment would be in store for a person who professes to speak for God? How upset would God be if someone was on the Earth teaching things, that they said comes from HIM, and it does not come from Him? Oh my, such a person deserves to die a horrible painful death. Matters of fact Scriptures in the Old Testament teach that if a person claims to speak things from God and they are not from God, that that person would die and not only that person but that persons family would suffer the same fate. Jeremiah 23:21-40
i know what is at stake, IF I AM LYING. But i am not lying. For one all liars shall burn in the lake of fire and brimstone Rev 21:8. i tell you the Truth, what i teach is from Him, unless i clearly say "This is from me, or this is my opinion" it is from God.

^i^

 

[newbirth]

Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...

Scripture is clear that The Word is NOT The Spirit.

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Psalm 33:6
By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

Job 33:4
[SUP]4 [/SUP]The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.


Ephesians 6:17
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

word, breath, spirit...all the same...

Even Gen 1 makes the distinction.

Genesis 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

John 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Clearly is is the word with God in the beginning doing the creating in Genesis he is called the spirit of God

Job 33:4
[SUP]4 [/SUP]The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

the spirit is not making some things and the word others.....All things were made by the word...

Somehow, you want to make them each other, in order for your denial of scripture to work.

Good luck on that...

I make nothing...

The Triune God created the Universe, as already shown to you.
You reject this fact without even addressing the verses which I presented.
What about my scriptures scares you so much...?
That does not follow, at all.

your verses do not prove a trinity...
you try to make God a trinity.....there is one God the Father of whom are all things and we by Him and one Lord Jesus Christ by whom are all things and we in Him.... you dare to add to this? and make God a trinity.....you have a poor understanding of what all means

As already stated, The Trinity is an epithet describing the whole of scripture.

The Trinity has NO 'pet' verses like you do.

that is like calling a ball an orange....there are no pet verses in scripture ..just truth...you do not try to force into scripture what is not there

According to your logic, then, you worship TWO gods.

according to this statement you cannot read or really ignorant...it is amazing how you can see a trinity in these verses....

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


1 Corinthians 8:4
As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Galatians 3:20
Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

 

[newbirth]

Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...

If you were confident in your cultic reasoning, then there would be absolutely NO reason for you to run away from scripture, like you are doing.

But...your falling-to-the-ground, utter scriptural depravity, shows us that you are a pathetic cult follower, and nothing else.

Watch her run folks....!

why do you say I ran ? ....the scripture you posted does not prove a trinity.....you claim that three different entities created the world....scripture says ALL things were created by the Word of God....some places you see Spirit...they are but one and the same...else all things were not created by the word...but some were created by the spirit and some by the word...

 

[Bowman]

IF God reveals to a person OTHER things that Jesus did do, it can't possibly be True, because it is not in Scriptures?
^i^

So...


Now you are a prophet of God?!

What kind of a 'prophet' ignores people who call his bluff...?

You're a real piece of work...

 

[Bowman]

Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...

why do you say I ran ? ....the scripture you posted does not prove a trinity.....you claim that three different entities created the world....scripture says ALL things were created by the Word of God....some places you see Spirit...they are but one and the same...else all things were not created by the word...but some were created by the spirit and some by the word...

You have yet to even address ANY of the scriptures posited by me.

Ignoring my scriptural response won't make it go away...it will just make your position that much weaker...

 

[Bowman]

Keep running...

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Psalm 33:6
By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

Job 33:4
[SUP]4 [/SUP]The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.


Ephesians 6:17
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

word, breath, spirit...all the same...

No....not the same.

Genesis 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

John 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Clearly is is the word with God in the beginning doing the creating in Genesis he is called the spirit of God

No mention that The Word is called The Spirit.

Try again...

your verses do not prove a trinity...

I showed you what you asked for.

Now deal with it.

Stop running.

Btw...Remember what I said about you posting Trinitarian renderings that you cannot defend...

you try to make God a trinity.....there is one God the Father of whom are all things and we by Him and one Lord Jesus Christ by whom are all things and we in Him.... you dare to add to this? and make God a trinity.....you have a poor understanding of what all means

I showed you that The Spirit created the world.

Deal with it....don't ignore it...

that is like calling a ball an orange....there are no pet verses in scripture ..just truth...you do not try to force into scripture what is not there

You keep recycling your bakers' dozen pet Trinitarian-rendered verses...

according to this statement you cannot read or really ignorant...it is amazing how you can see a trinity in these verses....

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


1 Corinthians 8:4
As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Galatians 3:20
Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Here we go again...

Which one of these supposedly thwarts The Trinity...and in what way....?

I keep asking you this....but you keep running...

 

[newbirth]

Re: Keep running...

No....not the same.

you just denied the word.....

No mention that The Word is called The Spirit.

Try again...

and when I say no mention of the trinity you get upset....

I showed you what you asked for.

Now deal with it.

Stop running.

now I will say....you post some scripture none mentioned trinity....

Btw...Remember what I said about you posting Trinitarian renderings that you cannot defend...

those are called scriptures .......

I showed you that The Spirit created the world.
Deal with it....don't ignore it...

and I showed you the Word created all things....so you must conclude that the Word and the Spirit are the same ...else there are two world...one created by each

John 1:1-11King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

You keep recycling your bakers' dozen pet Trinitarian-rendered verses...

you keep denying the truth......

Here we go again...

Which one of these supposedly thwarts The Trinity...and in what way....?

I keep asking you this....but you keep running...

all you can choose any one

 

[Bowman]

Re: Keep running...

and I showed you the Word created all things....so you must conclude that the Word and the Spirit are the same ...else there are two world...one created by each

Greek grammar mandates that they are NOT each other.

But...you can't be bothered by facts.

 

[Bowman]

Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...

The Book of Hebrews quotes from the OT, in the first place (wake up!).

Gen 1 declares 'us' and 'our'....and creation via 'bara', 'bara', bara'....indicating The Triune God.

Study up...







What did I just tell you about slavishly copy-pasting in someone else's English rendering which you can't defend?

The more you do this, the more obtuse you look...

Observe...


Heb 1.1

πολυμερως και πολυτροπως παλαι ο θεος λαλησας τοις πατρασιν εν τοις προφηταις επ εσχατου των ημερων τουτων ελαλησεν ημιν εν υιω

POLYMERŌS kai POLYTROPŌS palai ho theos lalēsas tois patrasin en tois prophētais


By many portions and in various forms, God spoke to the fathers in the prophets;


The Book of Hebrews is aptly named for the OT material of which it contains.




Heb 1.1 immediately informs the reader that the One God of the OT has always revealed Himself ‘by many portions’ (polymeros) and ‘in various forms’ (polytropos).




These two Greek terms are only used this one time/ea in the entirety of the Holy Bible, and lexically are defined as ‘One of the constituent parts of a whole; in a context where the whole and its parts are distinguished.’




A clear signal of the ONE Triune Creator God of the Universe.

Bump for the runner...

 

[veryelect]

This dear brother (Disciple539) is 2 years old (being saved in 2010, according to his profile) and he feels that he is spiritually mature enough to make such a defining statement, that 'The trinity is a false man made doctrine,' when in reality he is a spiritual 'babe,' what Paul calls in Greek a 'nepios' which means literally 'without the power of speech' and speaks of an infant or little child...Heb 5v13

Yahweh Shalom...

The babe that you talk about can give you scripture to prove his point. You, on the other hand deal in babble.

And here is what GOD thinks about babes:

Psa_8:2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.
Mat_21:16 And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?

 

[newbirth]

Re: Keep running...

Greek grammar mandates that they are NOT each other.

But...you can't be bothered by facts.

I give you facts you run to grammar...

 

[newbirth]

Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...

Bump for the runner...

is that your best response....still no trinity......

 

[Bowman]

Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...

is that your best response....still no trinity......

You don't know ANY Greek whatsoever....rotflol...!