Trinity?

Bowman · Jan 18, 2015

Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...

So...

What happened to you mentioning the OT location(s) for your other scriptural examples?!

That's right...you failed to even mention it.....hoping that your intended audience was even more ignorant than yourself.

Too bad that you were wrong.

Furthermore....the one time you do mention ANY OT connection whatsoever - its NOT even the right location!

You have failed on every possible level...

VCO · Jan 18, 2015

Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...

Bowman said:

AND SCRIPTURE is clear the Holy Spirit is GOD.

Acts 5:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Then Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the proceeds from the field?
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Wasn’t it yours while you possessed it? And after it was sold, wasn’t it at your disposal? Why is it that you planned this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God!”

newbirth · Jan 18, 2015

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VCO said:

that does not make God a trinity ...the HS is the Spirit of God...the HS is the Spirit of Christ.....there is no such thing as the HS is the Spirit of the HS....

look at this scripture...when one is in the Spirit...the Spirit of God which is the same Spirit of Christ dwells in him...do you see a Spirit of the HS
Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Bowman · Jan 18, 2015

Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...

Bowman said:

Look at this folks...

NB asks for scripture and then runs from it!

Rotflol....!!!!!!

newbirth · Jan 18, 2015

Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...

Bowman said:

is there a need to show ?..is it not the same God the Father...? Christ is the image of that God....Christ is the Spirit of that God...Christ is the Word of that God...that is why there is only one way to God that is through Christ...if Christ himself were not that same Spirit then there would be two ways...one through the Son and one through the Spirit....

Bowman · Jan 18, 2015

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newbirth said:

If you were confident in your cultic reasoning, then there would be absolutely NO reason for you to run away from scripture, like you are doing.

But...your falling-to-the-ground, utter scriptural depravity, shows us that you are a pathetic cult follower, and nothing else.

Watch her run folks....!

VCO · Jan 18, 2015

Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...

newbirth said:

John 1:1 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,and the Word was God.
John 1:14 (HCSB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]The Word became flesh and took up residence among us.
We observed His glory, the glory as the One and Only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

John 14:15-17 (YLT)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] `If ye love me, my commands keep,
[SUP]16 [/SUP] and I will ask the Father, and another Comforter He will give to you, that he may remain with you--to the age;[SUP]17 [/SUP] the Spiritof truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it doth not behold him, nor know him, and ye know him, because he doth remain with you, and shall be in you.

Acts 5:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Then Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the proceeds from the field?
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Wasn’t it yours while you possessed it? And after it was sold, wasn’t it at your disposal? Why is it that you planned this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God!”

DiscipleDave · Jan 18, 2015

DiscipleDave

newbirth said:

You say i teach a different gospel, how is it different? i teach the same Gospel, it is not a different Gospel. You say i teach a different Gospel as to convince yourself not to hear the Truth. i teach nothing contrary to sound doctrine. As for you question "are you saying you have new scripture from God???" New Scriptures, no. There is only one Scriptures. Tell me something, the Bible itself teaches there are things in the Bible that will not be revealed until the last days. So then if someone reveals something new in the last days, you automatically discard what they say because it is NEW? Was not John told to seal up information UNTIL that last days. That information was not revealed in Scriptures, but will be revealed in the last days. Tell me if NEW things are revealed in the last days, will you believe them or discard them.
Tell where in Scriptures does it teach that God stops speaking to people? it doesn't, isn't that what man teaches? What i know God has told me. if you do not believe me, then it is not me you disagree with, but God who told me those things. Those who have the HOly Ghost in them, will recognize the Truth when they hear it. This Truth i teach does not come from me, but comes from God. is it my fault you do not believe it.
If you claim i teach a DIFFERENT Gospel, then by all means show the Scriptures that contradict anything that i have said. So we all can know that i teach a different Gospel. You do error in accusing me of this wickedness.
Lets say that God has indeed talked with me, and i have had many conversations with God in the past, and He has revealed NEW things to me, like what the mark of the Beast actually is, How it will come about, what the antichrist will do, that the 144000 are children who make it through the Tribulation Period protected by Angels of God. Lets say that God DID tell me those things and many more things like. IS there ANY Scriptures that forbid that? Is there ANY Scriptures that teach God can't talk to people these days? Is there ANY Scriptures that says God will not pour out His Spirit on the sons and daughter in the last days and they shall PROPHESY? What? NONE!!!! So why then is it so hard for the people in this generation to believe that God will reveal to whom God reveals? When there is NOTHING in the Scriptures that says He won't do exactly that.
Now let say God told me the 144,000 are children, and i tell you what He told me, that the 144000 are children. Is it my fault you do not believe me when i tell you what He has told me concerning the 144000, you do not disagree with me, but with Him who told me they were children. What then, because it is not in the Scriptures it can't be True? Where is the logic in that thinking coming from? Is it not written in Scriptures that if they were to write down all that Jesus did, that the world itself would not be able to contain the books. So what then? IF God reveals to a person OTHER things that Jesus did do, it can't possibly be True, because it is not in Scriptures? You do error in believing the teachings of men which teach if it is not in Scriptures it is a different gospel. You will believe as you choose to believe. i will believe in what God has told me, i KNOW who it is that speaks with me. Many of you who disagree with what i teach will say it is a demon or the devil that spoke with me. Lol, the pharisees said the same thing, did they not? "He cast out demon, by the prince of demons"
The same voice i have had conversations with tells me, more times than i can remember this one statement.
LOVE ONE ANOTHER
The same voice says things like
If what you believe contradicts even one verse in My Word, then what you believe is wrong
The same voice says things like
David, there is not sin that you do that you can't cease from
Do these sound like the words of demons, or from God? i know who the voice is, it is God. Tell me the Truth that you know and believe does it come from God Himself, or from men?

newbirth said:

i have done none of this, i have not preached another Jesus, i have not preached another Gospel. Maybe you do not believe me, because the Truth is not in you, i mean that might be possible too, right? or do you know the Truth given to you by God as well?

Tell me, what great punishment would be in store for a person who professes to speak for God? How upset would God be if someone was on the Earth teaching things, that they said comes from HIM, and it does not come from Him? Oh my, such a person deserves to die a horrible painful death. Matters of fact Scriptures in the Old Testament teach that if a person claims to speak things from God and they are not from God, that that person would die and not only that person but that persons family would suffer the same fate. Jeremiah 23:21-40
i know what is at stake, IF I AM LYING. But i am not lying. For one all liars shall burn in the lake of fire and brimstone Rev 21:8. i tell you the Truth, what i teach is from Him, unless i clearly say "This is from me, or this is my opinion" it is from God.

^i^

newbirth · Jan 18, 2015

Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...

Bowman said:

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Psalm 33:6
By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

Job 33:4
[SUP]4 [/SUP]The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

Ephesians 6:17
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

word, breath, spirit...all the same...

Genesis 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

John 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Clearly is is the word with God in the beginning doing the creating in Genesis he is called the spirit of God

Job 33:4
[SUP]4 [/SUP]The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

the spirit is not making some things and the word others.....All things were made by the word...

I make nothing...

your verses do not prove a trinity...
you try to make God a trinity.....there is one God the Father of whom are all things and we by Him and one Lord Jesus Christ by whom are all things and we in Him.... you dare to add to this? and make God a trinity.....you have a poor understanding of what all means

that is like calling a ball an orange....there are no pet verses in scripture ..just truth...you do not try to force into scripture what is not there

according to this statement you cannot read or really ignorant...it is amazing how you can see a trinity in these verses....

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

1 Corinthians 8:4
As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Galatians 3:20
Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

newbirth · Jan 18, 2015

Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...

Bowman said:

why do you say I ran ? ....the scripture you posted does not prove a trinity.....you claim that three different entities created the world....scripture says ALL things were created by the Word of God....some places you see Spirit...they are but one and the same...else all things were not created by the word...but some were created by the spirit and some by the word...

Bowman · Jan 18, 2015

DiscipleDave said:

So...

Now you are a prophet of God?!

What kind of a 'prophet' ignores people who call his bluff...?

You're a real piece of work...

Bowman · Jan 18, 2015

Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...

newbirth said:

You have yet to even address ANY of the scriptures posited by me.

Ignoring my scriptural response won't make it go away...it will just make your position that much weaker...

Bowman · Jan 18, 2015

Keep running...

newbirth said:

No....not the same.

No mention that The Word is called The Spirit.

Try again...

I showed you what you asked for.

Now deal with it.

Stop running.

Btw...Remember what I said about you posting Trinitarian renderings that you cannot defend...

I showed you that The Spirit created the world.

Deal with it....don't ignore it...

You keep recycling your bakers' dozen pet Trinitarian-rendered verses...

Here we go again...

Which one of these supposedly thwarts The Trinity...and in what way....?

I keep asking you this....but you keep running...

newbirth · Jan 18, 2015

Re: Keep running...

Bowman said:

you just denied the word.....

and when I say no mention of the trinity you get upset....

now I will say....you post some scripture none mentioned trinity....

those are called scriptures .......

and I showed you the Word created all things....so you must conclude that the Word and the Spirit are the same ...else there are two world...one created by each

John 1:1-11King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

you keep denying the truth......

all you can choose any one

Bowman · Jan 18, 2015

Re: Keep running...

newbirth said:

Greek grammar mandates that they are NOT each other.

But...you can't be bothered by facts.

Bowman · Jan 18, 2015

Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...

Bowman said:

The Book of Hebrews quotes from the OT, in the first place (wake up!).

Gen 1 declares 'us' and 'our'....and creation via 'bara', 'bara', bara'....indicating The Triune God.

Study up...

What did I just tell you about slavishly copy-pasting in someone else's English rendering which you can't defend?

The more you do this, the more obtuse you look...

Observe...

Heb 1.1

πολυμερως και πολυτροπως παλαι ο θεος λαλησας τοις πατρασιν εν τοις προφηταις επ εσχατου των ημερων τουτων ελαλησεν ημιν εν υιω

POLYMERŌS kai POLYTROPŌS palai ho theos lalēsas tois patrasin en tois prophētais

By many portions and in various forms, God spoke to the fathers in the prophets;

The Book of Hebrews is aptly named for the OT material of which it contains.

Heb 1.1 immediately informs the reader that the One God of the OT has always revealed Himself ‘by many portions’ (polymeros) and ‘in various forms’ (polytropos).

These two Greek terms are only used this one time/ea in the entirety of the Holy Bible, and lexically are defined as ‘One of the constituent parts of a whole; in a context where the whole and its parts are distinguished.’

A clear signal of the ONE Triune Creator God of the Universe.

Bump for the runner...

veryelect · Jan 18, 2015

jb said:

The babe that you talk about can give you scripture to prove his point. You, on the other hand deal in babble.

And here is what GOD thinks about babes:

Psa_8:2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.
Mat_21:16 And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?

newbirth · Jan 18, 2015

Re: Keep running...

Bowman said:

I give you facts you run to grammar...

newbirth · Jan 18, 2015

Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...

Bowman said:

is that your best response....still no trinity......

Bowman · Jan 18, 2015

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afterbirth said:

You don't know ANY Greek whatsoever....rotflol...!

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