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Mitspa
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Well all you have to do is read and believe what the bible clearly says...if you cant do that? Then you are in a very bad place indeed.
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weakness
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That is because the veil is still over their hearts and eyes. There is no need to ever sacrifice a lamb again. The veil will be taken away when they say blessed is he that cometh in the name of the lord. When they "look on him whom they have pierced as if for an only son.more and I don't no why another temple needs to be built since we are the temple of the lord. does the Lord need two habitations or does Israel in the flesh need to join the body of Christ?
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weakness
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kennethcadwell
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I believe a believer is responsible to uphold all of Gods commandments from the main 10 to all that the Lord said in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. And to what the Apostles deemed what parts out of the mosaic written ordinances we are to still keep and obey. Plus like the bible says anytime you know something that is good to do, you are to do it or it is sin to you if you don't.........
It does have to do with your post as I showed clearly how the laws are still in play with Jews, and the ones they don't do will be initiated back in when the temple is rebuilt. This does not mean they were done away with, or do not apply. The Lord saying what He said about not one jot or title will pass away does not mean the Gentiles have to follow all of them. And we know this because the Apostles lead by the Holy Spirit on what to determine came back with only a few of the written ordinances. The rest were all not to be held by the Gentiles as the Jews were to keep, in which they even mentioned was impossible for them.
I know the truth, and you are the one who wants to continue to either say all of them apply, or none of them apply to us.
This is not biblical, and I have shown you scriptures to prove it.
Acts 15:20,29 show what written ordinances apply to us, and Paul throughout his epistles showed that all that the Lord Jesus said and even the 10 commandments still apply. The rest is not for us !!!
Originally Posted by Mitspa
Any "spirit" telling the believer they are under the law of Moses is a false spirit.
this is the second time you made yourself a false spirit...
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kennethcadwell
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Yes I know about the veil over their eyes, and this is why they still keep them.
However the bible says that the temple will be rebuilt, and animal sacrifices will resume. In which the antichrist will then put an end to those sacrifices again, and stand in the temple claiming to be God.
By a Christian perspective you would be right as we are the body of the church, His temple. However from the Jewish perspective and bible prophecy it will get done.
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keeth
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The Holy Spirit does convict believers of sin. Are you saying you are without sin? Are you saying that everyone who is saved immediately knows, identifies, and removes all sin from their lives and needs no more conviction from the Holy Spirit of God concerning the same? Bring forth your scriptures which teach the same.
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kennethcadwell
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2 Corinthians 7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
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Mitspa
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Yes don't go to temple prostitutes or unto harlots...or into temples of Idols such as the RCC of Muslims or Mormons ...
2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
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Mitspa
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What? in the world are you trying to teach? what part of the law has past away? any of it? Jesus did not fulfill any of it? Is that what your trying to say?
Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Ro 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Ro 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandments going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
so how is part of the law in effect for the believer and other parts are not...and its clear Paul is speaking of the Ten Commandments...any honest person can see that.
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Mitspa
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That's a unbiblical lie...prove it with scripture because I can prove its clearly not true!
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Mitspa
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lol well I can prove what I teach with evident truth of scripture. Its you guys who teach law that have to kinda make things up as you go along....maybe you can answer Kenneths question? What part of the law of Moses did Christ fulfill and what part did He leave undone? How can a believer be under part of the law and not under all the law?
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kennethcadwell
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This there you go again denying every scripture I gave you, as I showed you exactly which ones show what we are to follow. I will show them to you again, it then becomes up to you if you want to deny them or not.
Matthew 28:20 and Luke 6:46-47 say a believer is to obey all that the Lord said................
Acts 15:20,29 says that gentile believers are to follow only a couple of the ordinances from the mosaic laws............
Romans 13:9-14 says a believer is to follow all that the Lord said including the 10 commandments................
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Mitspa
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In acts 15 it says clearly they are not under the law Moses so how do you read it as they are? And you cannot be under part of the law.... and paul makes clear what law he is talking about when he says the commandment thou shalt not covet...what part of the law do you think that is? Romans 13 teaches love not the written code of moses... and what do you do with all these evident scriptures that prove your wrong? Just ignore them?
Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Ro 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Ro 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
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kennethcadwell
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They said we are not held to hold the whole law, and they came together and determined what few we were to still obey. And those were given in verse 20 and 29, so keep going and denying what the Apostles said. Apostle Paul that you quoted was among the Apostles here in Acts 15, and he carried out this message with him along with the others. So keep denying verses 20 and 29 all you want. Showing you still need to do more study on how the law applies, and what of it still applies.
I wanted to highlight the above fact so that you would know that Apostle Paul was among those Apostles in Acts 15 that determined what gentile believers were still to obey.
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kennethcadwell
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[h=1]Acts 15:19-29[/h]19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality,[a] from things strangled, and fromblood. 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely,Judas who was also named Barsabas,[b] and Silas, leading men among the brethren.
23 They wrote this letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”[c] —to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.[d] If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
Farewell.
22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely,Judas who was also named Barsabas,[b] and Silas, leading men among the brethren.
23 They wrote this letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”[c] —to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.[d] If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
Farewell.
a believer in obedience to Christ cannot be under the OT law....but in Christ there is the law of Christ which is the spirit of the OT law...(if it were not so then it would be ok to steal,coveth ,murder and such like ,) which Christ says hangs on these two (love the Lord with all your heart and your neighbour as yourself)...(at this point I would ask where did these come from???)...the scripture declares all unrighteousness is sin....you are contending that because one is not under the law they cannot be guilty of sin....because sin came by the law....you fail to realise that Christ is opposed to sin .....and under the law of Christ all unrighteousness is sin ,not only those labelled in the OT law but even those in your thoughts...because in Christ no sin can abide
yes, this is what I said the other day. and no one is denying this, maybe you guys should look up what denying means.
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Mitspa
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These are sins against the law of the Spirit of life in Christ...not the law of Moses....which was only a shadow of the Spirit...its says plainly that they are not under the law...and the law is not "kept" in parts hear and there...that's insane ! and that is completely unbiblical and it dishonors the law and the grace of God!
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Mitspa
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Its clear what law Paul was talking about..."all things written in the book of the law"...every jot and tittle of the law.
Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Ro 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Ro 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.