Who is Babylon the Great Harlot?

[kennethcadwell]

OK
Let be so.

Do you know as russians are used to call Moscow during last 400 years???? As THIRD ROME = They use such definition from times of John the Terrible.

But why you suppose Russia is not the the New Babylon Empair upon the fact that New Babylon City is to be destroyed (while russia is Magog)???

Do not you know that Moscow (great city) is only relatively small territory (like Canadian Calgary) on face of really biggest country in the world????

Do not you see also that Rome in Italy is not at all a centre of Greatest Country????

Russia is by far the greatest country in the world, maybe in Russians eyes, but as seen by the world.
China is well more economically better, and most around the world still see the U.S. as the greatest and strongest country of the world. This is one of the reasons that the U.S. is so hated, yet countries are afraid to step up against us because of easily we could wipe them out. The only one who has the guts to stand up against us right now is Russia, but even they without help would faulter which is why the cold war never went any where.
Biggest country does not mean greatest, as most of that land is unoccupied. I don't really care how Russians think or call their cities, as this has to be seen from around the world as such. Which they are not !!! How can Russia and Babylon be one and the same, when Magog exists well after Babylon is destroyed ???
Russia being destroyed would not put a hamper on the economy, and the trade market as nobody is getting rich off of Russia.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Hi, GrandHoboMaster.

Yes, the Antichrist will ultimately establish his palace in Jerusalem, even as the prophet Daniel foretold:

Daniel chapter 11

[41] He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
[42] He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
[43] But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
[44] But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
[45] And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

From the templemount.org website:

Moving Towards a Third Temple


...and "set up his world headquarters there" eventually he will.

Yes, while many here are busy buying oil in Mecca and shopping in NYC with the aid of their seeing eye dogs, the "woman", JERUSALEM, will be "sitting on the beast", Papal Rome/the Vatican...just as the Bible foretells.

This is talking about when he comes up against Israel, not that he comes to place Jerusalem as his capital city where he rules from as you can see from verse 45. That by coming into Israel and coming against the saints, he brings his end.

 

[GrandHoboMaster]

Russia is by far the greatest country in the world, maybe in Russians eyes, but as seen by the world.
China is well more economically better, and most around the world still see the U.S. as the greatest and strongest country of the world. This is one of the reasons that the U.S. is so hated, yet countries are afraid to step up against us because of easily we could wipe them out. The only one who has the guts to stand up against us right now is Russia, but even they without help would faulter which is why the cold war never went any where.
Biggest country does not mean greatest, as most of that land is unoccupied. I don't really care how Russians think or call their cities, as this has to be seen from around the world as such. Which they are not !!! How can Russia and Babylon be one and the same, when Magog exists well after Babylon is destroyed ???
Russia being destroyed would not put a hamper on the economy, and the trade market as nobody is getting rich off of Russia.

We are not speaking about political or economical solidness (nobody argue that during the last 80 years USA is global political leader).

We just trying to clarify what is New Babylon and Great Harlot of the Revelation.

And I insist that apart of the obvious pair Moscow+Moscows Patriarhate (russian orthodox church) there are not at all anything which could be close to definition of the WOMAN SITTING UPON THE BEAST.

 

[GrandHoboMaster]

Russia is by far the greatest country in the world, maybe in Russians eyes, but as seen by the world.
China is well more economically better, and most around the world still see the U.S. as the greatest and strongest country of the world. This is one of the reasons that the U.S. is so hated, yet countries are afraid to step up against us because of easily we could wipe them out. The only one who has the guts to stand up against us right now is Russia, but even they without help would faulter which is why the cold war never went any where.
Biggest country does not mean greatest, as most of that land is unoccupied. I don't really care how Russians think or call their cities, as this has to be seen from around the world as such. Which they are not !!! How can Russia and Babylon be one and the same, when Magog exists well after Babylon is destroyed ???
Russia being destroyed would not put a hamper on the economy, and the trade market as nobody is getting rich off of Russia.

And brother, when I used word greatest (about Russia) I meant their territory (biggest in the world). I am not russian, neither I am fond of them.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

This is talking about when he comes up against Israel, not that he comes to place Jerusalem as his capital city where he rules from as you can see from verse 45. That by coming into Israel and coming against the saints, he brings his end.

...AFTER he plants the tabernacles of his palace there.

 

[kennethcadwell]

We are not speaking about political or economical solidness (nobody argue that during the last 80 years USA is global political leader).

We just trying to clarify what is New Babylon and Great Harlot of the Revelation.

And I insist that apart of the obvious pair Moscow+Moscows Patriarhate (russian orthodox church) there are not at all anything which could be close to definition of the WOMAN SITTING UPON THE BEAST.

The bible is though, as it is not referring to the greatest nation by its size in land mass.
In order for the place to be Babylon it has to fit every single description the bible gives for it, and there are many throughout the OT prophecies and Revelation. Russia/Moscow does not fit them all....Russia/Jerusalem does not fit them all.....and the Vatican does not fit either as not one of them is a major sea port city. Which is one description that has to fit, and none of those do.

 

[Ukorin]

Why all this focus on who is the CURRENT economic superpower?
The city of Babylon in Revelation is only an economic superpower in the last 7 years. It is a present spiritual superpower up til that point! It is a spirit that possesses whole nations! Until the son of perdition is revealed, the location of Babylon is scattered.
Until the Tribulation, the location is not centralized. Just as God is to place all things under Christ, Satan will try to place all things under his antichrist. Just as Christ will gather His People, so the antichrist will gather the nations to himself in his unholy city, to then wage war on the Saints.

 

[Hizikyah]

"ON CUE"

Want To Hurt Russia? Lower The Price Of Oil



Want To Hurt Russia? Lower The Price Of Oil



Low oil price means high anxiety for Opec as US flexes its muscles



Low oil price means high anxiety for Opec as US flexes its muscles | Business | The Guardian

“…and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?”
–Revelation 13:3-4

 

[JesusistheChrist]

It is not Jerusalem though as the antichrist does not destroy Jerusalem, so that is one biblical fact that does not fit.
The next is the fact that the bible says that the Jews will come back to realize Jesus as their Messiah when He returns. Showing Jerusalem still standing, and this is also where the Lord rules during the millennial reign. You have to have all the pieces of the puzzle to fit, and this also goes to say that Jerusalem also is not a major sea port city. Rome and the Vatican does not fit either because neither is the Vatican a major sea port city. New York is a major sea port city, however the U.S. has tons of its own resources and does not have to import much. The only place that has to import almost all of its goods is Saudi Arabia, the home of the biggest oil supply of the world. And the capital city Mecca which stands for mother. Please watch the video I gave previously in this blog.

Hi, Sophia.

Don't be deceived by what Kenneth has stated above. These "pieces of the puzzle" most certainly do "fit" and such has already been explained to him here...

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/47873-who-babylon-great-harlot-18.html#post1860276

...even though he has closed his eyes and stopped his ears to the same.

Just passing through...

 

[Hizikyah]

"ON CUE"

“…and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?”
–Revelation 13:3-4

lol

[h=1]Saudi Prince: Oil will never return to $100[/h]

Saudi Prince: Oil will never return to $100 - Jan. 12, 2015



[h=2]Saudi Prince Says We’ll ‘Never’ See $100 Oil Barrels Again[/h]
Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal: $100-A-Barrel Oil Over

Psalm 2, "Why do the heathen rage, and the people plot vanity? The kings of the earth rise up, and the rulers take counsel against Yahweh and His Anointed, saying; Let us break their bands asunder; Let us cast their yoke of bondage from us. He Who sits in the heavens will laugh them to scorn; Yahweh will treat them with derision and contempt! He shall speak to them in wrath! He shall terrify them in His great displeasure, saying: I set My King on Mount Zion, My holy hill. I will proclaim the decree Yahweh declared; Yahweh said to me: You are My Son, this day I have begotten You. Ask of Me, and I will give You the nations for Your inheritance. The ends of the earth will be for Your possession. With a rod of iron You will break the nations; You will dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel! Be wise, therefore, all you rulers; be instructed, you judges of the earth. All of you serve Yahweh with reverence; you shall rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, and you perish from the way, when His wrath is kindled only a little. Blessed are they who will then put all their trust in mighty Yahweh; then they will stand as His Own Son."

 

[GrandHoboMaster]

The bible is though, as it is not referring to the greatest nation by its size in land mass.
In order for the place to be Babylon it has to fit every single description the bible gives for it, and there are many throughout the OT prophecies and Revelation. Russia/Moscow does not fit them all....Russia/Jerusalem does not fit them all.....and the Vatican does not fit either as not one of them is a major sea port city. Which is one description that has to fit, and none of those do.

Exectly Russia (= Moscow+Russian Church and the USSR) is only country which is fit under explanation of the motherland of antichrist which given into the Revelation. There is no any another country in the world (exept of USSR) which existance could be explained by the image of the beast coming out of sea.

Also there are no any another pair in the world of the capital and the church (exept Moscow and Russian Church always located in Moscow last 700 years) which could fit explanation of the woman sitting upon the beast.
Rome is not aa capital of Great Empair. New-York does not have traditional church at all, Neither USA is Empair.

 

[kennethcadwell]

...AFTER he plants the tabernacles of his palace there.

Yes it says plant his tents (tabernacles) between the sea and the Holy mountain, not on the mountain. And as you can see by the following map that there is a lot of land between the sea and Jerusalem. The bible says he comes into Jerusalem to come up against the saints, and this then leads to his end. Jerusalem not destroyed by him, but gets destroyed for going into Israel.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Exectly Russia (= Moscow+Russian Church and the USSR) is only country which is fit under explanation of the motherland of antichrist which given into the Revelation. There is no any another country in the world (exept of USSR) which existance could be explained by the image of the beast coming out of sea.

Also there are no any another pair in the world of the capital and the church (exept Moscow and Russian Church always located in Moscow last 700 years) which could fit explanation of the woman sitting upon the beast.
Rome is not aa capital of Great Empair. New-York does not have traditional church at all, Neither USA is Empair.

No it does not, as I just gave you in the previous posts of descriptions of Babylon that does not fit Russia or Moscow.......

 

[kennethcadwell]

Hi, Sophia.

Don't be deceived by what Kenneth has stated above. These "pieces of the puzzle" most certainly do "fit" and such has already been explained to him here...

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/47873-who-babylon-great-harlot-18.html#post1860276

...even though he has closed his eyes and stopped his ears to the same.

Just passing through...

How does Jerusalem get destroyed, yet still remain for the Lord to rule from ????

You can not have it both ways, either it gets destroyed or it doesn't. And the bible says Babylon gets destroyed by the antichrist, but the bible shows Jerusalem still standing as the Jews who are living there recognize Jesus as their Messiah when He returns. And when the Lord returns is the same time He casts the antichrist and false prophet into the lake of fire. No destruction, still stands, can not be Babylon !!!

 

[GrandHoboMaster]

No it does not, as I just gave you in the previous posts of descriptions of Babylon that does not fit Russia or Moscow.......

You just think so,

But in fact Moscow is the New Babylon. And whole the main heroys of the revelation (Enoch, Elijah, Antichrist, False prophet) will come into the world out of the cursed russian empair of evil.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

Yes it says plant his tents (tabernacles) between the sea and the Holy mountain, not on the mountain. And as you can see by the following map that there is a lot of land between the sea and Jerusalem. The bible says he comes into Jerusalem to come up against the saints, and this then leads to his end. Jerusalem not destroyed by him, but gets destroyed for going into Israel.

Can't you read?

"And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him." (Daniel 11:45)

"He shall plant the tabernacles of his palace BETWEEN THE SEAS", PLURAL, "IN THE GLORIOUS HOLY MOUNTAIN".

Now, look at your map again and see if you can spot TWO SEAS (pssssttttttt...the Mediterranean Sea and the Dead Sea) and then see if you can find "THE GLORIOUS HOLY MOUNTAIN" somewhere "BETWEEN THE SEAS".

 

[Ukorin]

How does Jerusalem get destroyed, yet still remain for the Lord to rule from ????

You can not have it both ways, either it gets destroyed or it doesn't. And the bible says Babylon gets destroyed by the antichrist, but the bible shows Jerusalem still standing as the Jews who are living there recognize Jesus as their Messiah when He returns. And when the Lord returns is the same time He casts the antichrist and false prophet into the lake of fire. No destruction, still stands, can not be Babylon !!!

Are you guys kidding?!
Christ comes to rebuild, not just take over an existing city!
Where would you even get that from? The city will be in ashes, and He will raise it up.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

After watching that video posted in the conspiracy thread, it seems very likely to me the new babylon will be Mecca.

Its even located right where the bible says it would be. I never even considered it until that video. My only issue is that the bible does say that the Jews will have been exiled there. I dont think that fits Mecca.
And it also makes the idea of Israel kinda odd. The bible does tell the Jews of that time to flee the city and head to Mt Zion.

 

[Ukorin]

I give up. You guys are focused on seeing a current physical Babylon, when you should be looking for a current spiritual Babylon. Physical Babylon comes later.
All the clues given are to identify the spirit of Babylon, not the physical!

 

[psalm6819]

For what it's worth- Sadaam Hussein was in the process of rebuilding Babylon. Physical Babylon, a real city.