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Amazingly. I have heard more testimony from people who left God because of legalism, and a belief that osas is not true, Because the law just kept staring them in the face, and the more they studied the word, the more sinful they were. and the more impossible and futile their attempts to meet up with Gods standard was.
Licentiousness (the false belief that one can say a prayer and live however they desire) is not very huge, legalism is not only much larger, but much more dangerous, because it has people thinking they will go to heaven, Thinking they are "good people" thinking God is happy with them and their works, when in reality the opposite is true.
that is why far more of NT scripture is pitted against legalism, than it is licentiousness. Because it is far more of a problem to the true church.
You know nothing of the chastening of God.
A non believer can sin, and suffer grave consequences. A believer will sin and suffer those same consequences, plus a more severe and harsher punishment of God. and chastening of the lord. They are held to a much higher standard.
This false belief that a person can sin and will not suffer a penalty is just rediculous.
The law imposed a penalty for anyone who broke it even one, it is called eternal condemnation. Jesus came to save us from the penalty of the law. or we all would be doomed. Because all of us have broken Gods law hundreds maybe thousands of time. Imagine all the death penalties you have out against you.
God saved us from his eternal wrath, He did nto save us from the pain and suffering sin causes every one of us, And if we are Gods children, that pain and suffering is far more severe.
all I can figure out is you legalists have never felt Gods chastening, or you would not make such comments. for YOU WOULD KNOW no one sins and gets away with it.
Licentiousness (the false belief that one can say a prayer and live however they desire) is not very huge, legalism is not only much larger, but much more dangerous, because it has people thinking they will go to heaven, Thinking they are "good people" thinking God is happy with them and their works, when in reality the opposite is true.
that is why far more of NT scripture is pitted against legalism, than it is licentiousness. Because it is far more of a problem to the true church.
You know nothing of the chastening of God.
A non believer can sin, and suffer grave consequences. A believer will sin and suffer those same consequences, plus a more severe and harsher punishment of God. and chastening of the lord. They are held to a much higher standard.
This false belief that a person can sin and will not suffer a penalty is just rediculous.
The law imposed a penalty for anyone who broke it even one, it is called eternal condemnation. Jesus came to save us from the penalty of the law. or we all would be doomed. Because all of us have broken Gods law hundreds maybe thousands of time. Imagine all the death penalties you have out against you.
God saved us from his eternal wrath, He did nto save us from the pain and suffering sin causes every one of us, And if we are Gods children, that pain and suffering is far more severe.
all I can figure out is you legalists have never felt Gods chastening, or you would not make such comments. for YOU WOULD KNOW no one sins and gets away with it.
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who is living Holy?
Gods standard is the law. Is any one living today living up to that standard?
Why do you want Christ to come die again for sins he failed to die for 2000 years ago? did he pay the debt in full or not? Did not paul say he took everything which was against us, and nail it to the cross? I guess God failed.
Gods standard is the law. Is any one living today living up to that standard?
Why do you want Christ to come die again for sins he failed to die for 2000 years ago? did he pay the debt in full or not? Did not paul say he took everything which was against us, and nail it to the cross? I guess God failed.
helps if you can read, what the bibles said, and not speculating on how you got righteous before god in the first place.
21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose. Galatians 2:
18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. John 3
see the contrast ?
let you worldly works , save you.
if you build on wrong foundations , your house will not stand. etc
21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose. Galatians 2:
18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. John 3
see the contrast ?
let you worldly works , save you.
if you build on wrong foundations , your house will not stand. etc
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A dog is a dog (non believer)'
A person born of God is no longer a dog. he was made a new creation in Christ Jesus.
A dog, who attempts to act like a christian (but in reality is not a true child of God) Will always go back to his vomit.
You can teach an old dog new trick, he will always return to his nature.
God must make the dog a new creature,
First of all God did not appoint you to judge His church. Believers have the abiding presence of the Holy Spirit to minister in their hearts when they sin. You need to pay attention to your own business and not be stirring up strife for everyone else.
I am not at all confident that your exegesis of scripture is sound so until you demonstrate some biblical wisdom I shall not expect any biblical understanding.
Gods grace is wholly sufficient. God is able to tend to His flock. God cares for the sheep that are sick and need nurturing. God tends to the sheep that are mature and sees that they have His protection. God cares for all the sheep all the time. No harm can come to the sheep in Gods fold.
Goats often wander into the flock of Gods sheep but they stick out like a sore thumb. Goats are stubborn and cannot be kept clean. The goats will be sorted out by God. The sheep tolerate the goats until God settles the matter according to His purposes. No matter how hard they try goats cannot pass for sheep.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I am not at all confident that your exegesis of scripture is sound so until you demonstrate some biblical wisdom I shall not expect any biblical understanding.
Gods grace is wholly sufficient. God is able to tend to His flock. God cares for the sheep that are sick and need nurturing. God tends to the sheep that are mature and sees that they have His protection. God cares for all the sheep all the time. No harm can come to the sheep in Gods fold.
Goats often wander into the flock of Gods sheep but they stick out like a sore thumb. Goats are stubborn and cannot be kept clean. The goats will be sorted out by God. The sheep tolerate the goats until God settles the matter according to His purposes. No matter how hard they try goats cannot pass for sheep.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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WHO BELIEVES THIS?
AND IF THEY DO. they are no more saved than you are.
Both legalism is licentiousness is based on pride.
the licentious says I can live however I want, How dare God tell me otherwise.
The legalist says I can live a righteous life, And God will love me for it while doing so. He continues to live in sin, only the sin he chooses to either deny he is doing, or is blinded to the fact it is sin.
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sorry, But not comiting murder is a work of the law. Not comiting adultry is a work of the law.
A work is done to earn a reward. Grace is freely given.
If your "not doing evil" to be saved, then your working to earn a reward "salvation' and you have not become the tax collector. but are the pharisee.
A work is done to earn a reward. Grace is freely given.
If your "not doing evil" to be saved, then your working to earn a reward "salvation' and you have not become the tax collector. but are the pharisee.
Hm, i am asking myself why you have these favorite topics.
You will got no sufficient answer. Because those who believe osas will find sriptures which support it. And those who believe to loos salvation will find scriptures too.
So it will end in a patt,ore in a fight. What god is thinking about that?
You will got no sufficient answer. Because those who believe osas will find sriptures which support it. And those who believe to loos salvation will find scriptures too.
So it will end in a patt,ore in a fight. What god is thinking about that?
First, again, your experience is not reality. Just call around your area and ask the various churches in what they believe. I have talked with many people both online and in person. OSAS is not the narrow road. It is the wide gate belief. Most big named Pastors today believe in Eternal Security. Doing evil with the thinking you are saved is the wide gate belief here in the States; And it is becoming ever the more popular in other countries. Second, logic should tell you that if there is no real consequence that matters in breaking a Law, then people are going to break that Law. It's not rocket science. Most people would not break the speed limit on the highway if it involved serious imprisonment and extreme fines. Telling people that they cannot lose their salvation gives them the green light to sin until the cows come home with the thinking they are saved. You don't need to insult me. You know it's true. For the Scriptures say, be not deceived, the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.
Attacking me is not going to help you justify a doctrine in telling folks they can do evil while thinking they are saved.
As for your question: We are talking about the Bible. We are not on Facebook (Of which I do not agree with) so as to share my personal life with the world. So I will answer you in a third person way. Is every Christian sinless? No, of course not. David had committed adultery and murder. But the difference here is that he did not continue to murder and continue to commit adultery. David was a man after God's own heart so David repented of his sins. No great man of God was ever justified in doing evil before the Lord.
As for your question: We are talking about the Bible. We are not on Facebook (Of which I do not agree with) so as to share my personal life with the world. So I will answer you in a third person way. Is every Christian sinless? No, of course not. David had committed adultery and murder. But the difference here is that he did not continue to murder and continue to commit adultery. David was a man after God's own heart so David repented of his sins. No great man of God was ever justified in doing evil before the Lord.