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Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...
God made the worlds by his Son
if the Son made the worlds are not the heavens part of the worlds...
Again all things were made by the Word/the Son...which would include the heavens
all thing created by him for him...the Son
Again Son (thou Lord) laid the foundation of the earth...and heavens the work of his hands...
God said...that is the Word of God...creating light...the word was made flesh= Son
since we know that the Son made all things
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.....by this verse we must conclude that the spirit of God is the same Son who made all things
here it is confirmed...the Son created all things....and the Son renews the earth...the Son is the Spirit/Word of God
God made the worlds by his Son
if the Son made the worlds are not the heavens part of the worlds...
Again all things were made by the Word/the Son...which would include the heavens
all thing created by him for him...the Son
Again Son (thou Lord) laid the foundation of the earth...and heavens the work of his hands...
God said...that is the Word of God...creating light...the word was made flesh= Son
since we know that the Son made all things
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.....by this verse we must conclude that the spirit of God is the same Son who made all things
here it is confirmed...the Son created all things....and the Son renews the earth...the Son is the Spirit/Word of God
Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...
This is where you start to go textually-blind...as The Word is mentioned separately from The Holy Spirit.
In your vain attempt to deny The Trinity, you force The Son to be The Holy Spirit.
Why not just do what JW's do, and make the archangel Michael, Jesus?
Or better yet....do what muslims do and make the Holy Spirit, Gabriel...
All you Trinity-deniers are the same...scripturally inept...
That does not follow since each Person of The Trinity has already been given full credit for Creation, separately.
According to YOUR logic, then The Father must also be The Son.
See how jacked your world-view is...?
This is where you start to go textually-blind...as The Word is mentioned separately from The Holy Spirit.
In your vain attempt to deny The Trinity, you force The Son to be The Holy Spirit.
Why not just do what JW's do, and make the archangel Michael, Jesus?
Or better yet....do what muslims do and make the Holy Spirit, Gabriel...
All you Trinity-deniers are the same...scripturally inept...
That does not follow since each Person of The Trinity has already been given full credit for Creation, separately.
According to YOUR logic, then The Father must also be The Son.
See how jacked your world-view is...?
Ok, back to the faith of a child.
The sun shines in the earth.
The wind blows in the earth.
The water flows in the earth.
The earth flows on the earth (landslide)...and actually in outer space as well (planets/earth substance that moves).
The earth is in the universe.
The sun is in the universe.
The wind is in the universe.
The water is in the universe.
John 14
7*“If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”
8*Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”
9*Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10*Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11*Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
The sun shines in the earth.
The wind blows in the earth.
The water flows in the earth.
The earth flows on the earth (landslide)...and actually in outer space as well (planets/earth substance that moves).
The earth is in the universe.
The sun is in the universe.
The wind is in the universe.
The water is in the universe.
John 14
7*“If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”
8*Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”
9*Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10*Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11*Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
AND Scripture says the HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD. Acts 5:3-4
AND Scripture says the SON is GOD. John 1:1 & 14, Isa. 45:22-23 & Rom. 14:11 & Philippians 11:9-11, Deut. 10:17 & Rev. 17:14, John 14:9, Col. 1:19, 2 Cor. 5:19, Mat. 2:11, Mat. 14:33, Mat.15:25, Mat.28:9, Mat. 28:17, Mk. 5:6, LUKE 4:8
AND Scriptures says there is ONLY One GOD, and NEVER will be a second GOD. Isa. 43:10-11
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Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...
Correct, the Son certainly is the Creator and the feeding of the 5000 and the 4000 validated that HE was the Creator and exactly how HE creates.
God's work is PERFECT, and the inspired Word of GOD is one of those PERFECT things brought about by GOD.
Genesis 1:1 (NIV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Therefore since GOD's work of inspiring the Scriptures is PERFECT, then the Son is also GOD.
Another thought along those lines:
John 14:15-17 (YLT)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] `If ye love me, my commands keep,
[SUP]16 [/SUP] and I will ask the Father, and another Comforter He will give to you, that he may remain with you--to the age;
[SUP]17 [/SUP] the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it doth not behold him, nor know him, and ye know him, because he doth remain with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:26 (YLT)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] and the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and remind you of all things that I said to you.
Acts 5:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Then Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit
and keep back part of the proceeds from the field?
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Wasn’t it yours while you possessed it? And after it was sold, wasn’t it at your disposal?
Why is it that you planned this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God!”
Therefore since GOD's work of inspiring the Scriptures is PERFECT, then the Holy Spirit is also GOD, yet a personage or function within the SINGULAR DEITY other than the Son.
Correct, the Son certainly is the Creator and the feeding of the 5000 and the 4000 validated that HE was the Creator and exactly how HE creates.
God's work is PERFECT, and the inspired Word of GOD is one of those PERFECT things brought about by GOD.
Genesis 1:1 (NIV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Therefore since GOD's work of inspiring the Scriptures is PERFECT, then the Son is also GOD.
Another thought along those lines:
John 14:15-17 (YLT)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] `If ye love me, my commands keep,
[SUP]16 [/SUP] and I will ask the Father, and another Comforter He will give to you, that he may remain with you--to the age;
[SUP]17 [/SUP] the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it doth not behold him, nor know him, and ye know him, because he doth remain with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:26 (YLT)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] and the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and remind you of all things that I said to you.
Acts 5:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Then Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit
and keep back part of the proceeds from the field?
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Wasn’t it yours while you possessed it? And after it was sold, wasn’t it at your disposal?
Why is it that you planned this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God!”
Therefore since GOD's work of inspiring the Scriptures is PERFECT, then the Holy Spirit is also GOD, yet a personage or function within the SINGULAR DEITY other than the Son.
Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...
brother God is not a pizza...there is only one God the Father...all the works of God is done by the one who comes out from God(word/spirit/son) .....God gave all power to one ....not two not three...there is one mediator between God and Man....if the Spirit makes intercessions for us...and Jesus makes intercession for us...it stands to reason they are one and the same...that scripture remains true.... 1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
brother God is not a pizza...there is only one God the Father...all the works of God is done by the one who comes out from God(word/spirit/son) .....God gave all power to one ....not two not three...there is one mediator between God and Man....if the Spirit makes intercessions for us...and Jesus makes intercession for us...it stands to reason they are one and the same...that scripture remains true.... 1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[h=1]John 14:17-19King James Version (KJV)[/h] [SUP]17 [/SUP]Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
Christ is the comforter...HS is the comforter
Now bro show me in the Holy bible ..."I God am the trinity"
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[h=1]John 14:17-19King James Version (KJV)[/h] [SUP]17 [/SUP]Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
Christ is the comforter...HS is the comforter
Now bro show me in the Holy bible ..."I God am the trinity"
Re: strawman...
how can this mean Father is the Son... 1 Corinthians 8:5-7King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
do you see all things by our Lord Jesus....not by three entities....
1 Corinthians 15:25-28King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
do you see another Spirit here???
how can this mean Father is the Son... 1 Corinthians 8:5-7King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
do you see all things by our Lord Jesus....not by three entities....
1 Corinthians 15:25-28King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
do you see another Spirit here???
Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...
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And did you notice that your own theological way of interpreting verses, as mixed up as it is, STILL points out that the SON is ALSO GOD?
You say the SON is the Spirit of GOD, and then these verses confirm that the Spirit is GOD:
Acts 5:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Then Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit
and keep back part of the proceeds from the field?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Wasn’t it yours while you possessed it? And after it was sold, wasn’t it at your disposal?
Why is it that you planned this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God!”
☝t<><
And did you notice that your own theological way of interpreting verses, as mixed up as it is, STILL points out that the SON is ALSO GOD?
You say the SON is the Spirit of GOD, and then these verses confirm that the Spirit is GOD:
Acts 5:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Then Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit
and keep back part of the proceeds from the field?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Wasn’t it yours while you possessed it? And after it was sold, wasn’t it at your disposal?
Why is it that you planned this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God!”
Scripture states that The Holy Spirit proceeds from The Son.
Scripture also states that The Son proceeds from The Father.
Thus, according to YOUR cultic logic, if you want The Holy Spirit to BE The Son.....then you also have no choice but to accept that that The Son IS The Father.
After all, you must be consistent in your reasoning.
Face it....you're stuck.
Re: Your eyes are sewn shut...
1 Corinthians 3:23-23King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
as a believer in your service to God ..if a man lie to you ...he is actually lying to God...If you present the gospel to a person and the reject it ....they are not rejecting you they are rejecting God...does that make you God???
1 Corinthians 3:23-23King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
as a believer in your service to God ..if a man lie to you ...he is actually lying to God...If you present the gospel to a person and the reject it ....they are not rejecting you they are rejecting God...does that make you God???