Will you listen to what God has to say about OSAS? Just scriptures?

eternally-gratefull · Jan 23, 2015

You have issues.

One CAN NOT TURN FROM SIN, until they are first born of God. don't you remember, the things of God are foolish to those who are not his. If we could turn from sin on our own power, then we would not need God, we could save ourselves.

Second. You have yet to prove how myself or anyone else here like me believe on can be saved apart from repentance.

third. you do not know what most of us on here believe, I have yet to even hear you acknowledge it. You keep saying we believe things NON OF US have claimed to believe, or even mentioned.

in the real world. that is called hypocritical thinking, and yours is out their for ALL to see, if only you could see it, Maybe there would be hope for you. But I fear your pride is to deep.

eternally-gratefull · Jan 23, 2015

Jason0047 said:

Paul tells us to do?

Paul did not tell us to do anything, He stated a fact, That if you continue in sin, Can grace save you? Well yes it CAN SAVE YOU, but it has not saved you yet, You have yet to repent, thats why your still living in sin,

As John says, something you deny (And I have yet to hear you even comment on) A pserson born of God can not live in sin, they are born of God and have Gods spirit.

so if someone continues in sin, have they EVER BEEN SAVED? If someone returns to their own vomit and returns to sin, HAVE THEY EVER BEEN SAVED?

John says no, I trust john, Not you.

eternally-gratefull · Jan 23, 2015

Jason0047 said:

Wow, You just proved OSAS yet again..

You have the knowledge, you just need to have it apply to your life and your eternity, and repent of your pride and refusal to see. Give it all to God, and you will be one of those believers who do not and will never habitually sin as a way of life.

newbirth · Jan 23, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

by your words you believe that there are those who will not..

what is the difference between the two??? since they both believe ....and you say once you believe they are saved...you cannot now say they were never saved...

eternally-gratefull · Jan 23, 2015

newbirth said:

No, actually it is you and Jason who believes a sin can fall back into sin, not myself or anyone of like Faith as I.

there is a huge difference between belief and Faith. James mentions this but you ignore him

You have belief, I have faith.

whoever has true faith is saved, and as Jason admitted, and John stated matter of factually,, they can not live in habitual sin.

newbirth · Jan 23, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

scripture says a man can fall back into sin...you simply deny it...and some also thought it was ok to sin....Paul tells them it is not right....

Romans 6:1-3King James Version (KJV)
6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

1 John 2:1

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1 John 5:16
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

one cannot live in habitual sin in Christ.....out of Christ is a different story...the thing is.... you believe one can abide in sin and abide in Christ at the same time....not so..

notuptome · Jan 23, 2015

newbirth said:

You continue to rail against a straw men. Each believer must give account to Christ for what they have done since they were saved. I think when our works go through the fire the things we prized most will be quickly consumed. If nothing survives then we enter into heaven with nothing.

When I face Jesus will I have done all that I could have done? Will He say to me well done thou good and faithful servant? Or will His gaze cause me to hang my head in shame?

Everything hangs on the first commandment to love the Lord thy God with all thy strength.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

eternally-gratefull · Jan 23, 2015

newbirth said:

scripture says a man can fall back into sin...you simply deny it...and some also thought it was ok to sin....Paul tells them it is not right....

Romans 6:1-3King James Version (KJV)
6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

1 John 2:1

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1 John 5:16
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
one cannot live in habitual sin in Christ.....out of Christ is a different story...the thing is.... you believe one can abide in sin and abide in Christ at the same time....not so..

you do not read very well do you?

1 John 3: [SUP]9 [/SUP]Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

It has to do with Being BORN OF GOD.

newbirth · Jan 23, 2015

notuptome said:

how then do they account for a sin that they have done after being saved.....when you teach those sins are already forgiven...if that is the case then it cannot be for all they have done...getting philosophical with me does not answer the question....this discussion stems of an OSAS believer killing some people...as an OSAS believer is that sin already paid for? a simple yes or no will suffice...

Viligant_Warrior · Jan 23, 2015

Has anyone in this near-riot of a discussion noted that the OP hasn't said a word since posting the thread?

That always strikes me as odd. Why start a discussion if you have no interest in the concourse to which it was directed?

newbirth · Jan 23, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

newbirth said:

you read well but your understanding level is questionable...some years ago you were born of God ..have you sinned since then???...I believe that answer would be yes....so is scripture lying???NO...we know from scripture.. that a man sins when he is drawn away by his own lust and enticed....It is from Christ he is drawn away....so it is clear one cannot sin in Christ...the seed is the word...if the word/seed remains in you then you cannot sin, because you are obeying the word...if you are drawn away from the word of God/Christ by your own lust...that is when you sin...

notuptome · Jan 23, 2015

newbirth said:

Yes the blood of Christ cleanses us from all our sin. Christ's blood is not like the blood of animals but is the blood of The lamb of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

dcontroversal · Jan 23, 2015

newbirth said:

eternally-gratefull said:

Actually it is you that fails to understand the simple concept found below and in scripture....

1. Why did Jesus say the spirit is willing but the flesh weak?

The spirit is that aspect that is born of God, does not sin and is eternally secure and sealed in Jesus....
The body is DEAD because of SIN, is fallen and can do nothing but sin...

These two are contrary the one to the other and continually battle for control......

Sometimes the flesh wins out and a believer will sin and does sin....sometimes the Spirit which is saved wins and controls the flesh and the person walks upright before God...

The more you study, pray and surrender to the SPIRIT the more faithful you become in your walk...This does not alleviate the fact that occasionally the flesh raises it's ugly head to cause one to stumble and fail in sin....

The SPIRIT is still saved, regenerated and secure in Christ even if the flesh takes control and causes one to sin.......!

Rather simple at the end of the day.....!

royalscot · Jan 23, 2015

newbirth said:

hes talking to the jewish people hear.
2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?4 Did you suffer so many things in vain--if indeed it was in vain?5 So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

yet you religious taboo, is clear when you try to rebuilt a sin that can take away the gift(the holy spirit)
gos to show

24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.2
no long under the law, but under jesus.

act 15 what law was given to a gentile

for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.2

in other words he is saying this to both.
16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

ie believe in him. and everything he did on earth and what he did when he went back to heaven etc

newbirth · Jan 23, 2015

royalscot said:

hes talking to the jewish people hear.
2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?4 Did you suffer so many things in vain--if indeed it was in vain?5 So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

yet you religious taboo, is clear when you try to rebuilt a sin that can take away the gift(the holy spirit)
gos to show

24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.2
no long under the law, but under jesus.

act 15 what law was given to a gentile

for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.2

in other words he is saying this to both.
16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

ie believe in him. and everything he did on earth and what he did when he went back to heaven etc

you are posting scripture without reading them...I keep telling you the law is abolished to them that are in Christ...Jews in Christ and Gentiles in Christ are become brothers...

26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith

outside Christ God conclude all under sin.....condemned.

royalscot · Jan 24, 2015

newbirth said:

so ware did you get your sin, from that stops or takes away the gift of grace.(in your other posts) to a believer.

what law saved you in a new covenant. what law was give to a gentile.

i concluded not if you believe.
1 Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.3

strange you blindness only answer some things that have been said to you.

your the one who s been projecting sin can stop you after you believe, from a law, you now say is a abolished.

would you now care to address all the other thing i have said to you on this forms, and bring you answers back

Mitspa · Jan 24, 2015

royalscot said:

hes talking to the jewish people hear.
2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?4 Did you suffer so many things in vain--if indeed it was in vain?5 So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

yet you religious taboo, is clear when you try to rebuilt a sin that can take away the gift(the holy spirit)
gos to show

24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.2
no long under the law, but under jesus.

act 15 what law was given to a gentile

for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.2

in other words he is saying this to both.
16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

ie believe in him. and everything he did on earth and what he did when he went back to heaven etc

The Galatian church was a gentile church...and its clear Paul is warning them against Jews that would bring them into bondage to the law...

royalscot · Jan 24, 2015

Mitspa said:

why tell me. there is a reason for posting scripture. so others can test what you have said.
many times i have said paul apostle to the gentiles.

Peter (Cephas) Opposed by Paul

what story is paul telling

newbirth · Jan 24, 2015

royalscot said:

we are born in sin... through grace and the obedience of faith Christ saves us from sin....as long as we are abiding in him...if for whatever reason we are drawn away from Christ...you are no longer in Christ ...therefore you are in sin there ia no middle ground...

we are saved by grace through faith....the law of the Spirit is made available to all men....both jew and Gentile

those who are IN Christ have no condemnation....it is the law of the Spirit of life IN Christ that sets you free from sin..
these things are only possible IN Christ...

thank you

the wages of sin is still death....the gift of God is still eternal life....eternal life is in Christ(where the law is abolished)...outside Christ is sin and death(where the law condemns)...you cannot have both...In Christ is freedom not a prison ....but no sin can abide in Christ

I think I have...if not just point out that which is not clear to you...

Mitspa · Jan 24, 2015

royalscot said:

Read your own post to which I responded...you begin the post by saying Paul is talking to Jews...and then quoting from the book of Galatians ... what was your intention if not to suggest that the scriptures where not related to a discussion on the issue?

Will you listen to what God has to say about OSAS? Just scriptures?

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