Music in Church?

[SeaBass]

neither did Paul give as a commandment "thou shalt no longer pluck the string of an harp" when he said speak to one another in psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. how then are we to compose and communicate in song? expediently.

When God said sing that automatically eliminates playing...simplest of logic.

Lie when you order the T-bone steak plate that eliminates the liver plate, the chicken plate, fish plate, etc, etc without you having to go thru the entire menu eliminating everything you do not want until you are left with the one thing you do want.

 

[dcontroversal]

Holy... carp, is this thread still going?

Saaaaaay... what about soundtracks? See, I make soundtracks at home in my computer. I can "play" virtual instruments through my computer and MIDI keyboard. Drums, bass line, background chords and a lead and you have a soundtrack. I use them at church to sing songs, so we won't have to have the (overworked) piano player learn new songs every time we want to sing one.

So whataya say? Would soundtracks be acceptable? It's not exactly a live instrument playing.

Hey Lynx...yes it would be acceptable and to answer a post you made down further.....It is right to conclude based upon what one teaches about salvation and or by the simple truths that they cannot understand to rightfully conclude that they are not a saved child of God.....To teach you will fall from Grace and loose salvation because you use a harp to praise God, to teach a gospel of a different kind and promote works for salvation, to teach you can loose salvation coupled with the inability to comprehend simple biblical truths prove one is not saved and still in their sins......SO it is biblical to recommend that one trust JESUS in a biblical way, get saved and study a bit so as to understand the word....sorry if you disagree.....by the way...using a soundtrack with musical instruments will cause you to loose your salvation according to SEABASS.........!

 

[posthuman]

When God said sing that automatically eliminates playing...simplest of logic.

if that were in any way true, then when God said "my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink" that automatically eliminates eating or drinking any earthly food or drink.

 

[dcontroversal]

1) everyone posting in this thread are NOT brothers in Christ. (Which reminds of a thread I intend to start sometimes on ("What Makes One a Christian?....if you really want to see a mess, wait for this thread)

2) I am not forcing anything on anyone. I am just pointing out that God commanded to 'sing' and that men should pay heed to what God said.

You are also pushing that you can fall from GRACE and loose salvation is you use musical instruments as well....very deceptive just like el diablo!

 

[dcontroversal]

Those that plan on being saved better being obeying what God prescribed and not obeying their personal feelings.

Plan on being saved eh? Another farce...my bible teaches the present reality of being saved and currently possessing eternal life.....which book are you reading...oh that's right one interpreted by Alexander Campbell.....

 

[SeaBass]

When one constantly gets the truth wrong, preaches a gospel of a different kind tha has no power to save and trustinto self as opposed to Christ I can rightfully conclude that the belief system that they teach and promote is opposed to the gospel of Christ and is a heretical gospel that has no power to save...this is for you and LYNX....there is but one way not 50 and if someone teaches contrary to the truth and cannot understand simple truths it proves that they have not been born again...Corinthians teaches that someone who has NO UNDERSTANDING and Galatians teaches that ONE who preaches a gospel of a different KIND are NOT SAVED and still in their sins.....disagree if you like....I will stand on the word......!

And for LYNX...I suggest you study as Jesus, John the Baptist, Paul. Elijah and others used sarcasm and statements such as ...Blind leaders of the blind, hypocrites, white washed coffins filled with the bones of dead men etc......You don't like it...don't read it...but the truth is the truth....!

It's just your claim, based upon you opinion that I am teaching error.

 

[Sirk]

Seabass reminds me of Cain smashing Abel over the head with a rock out of jealousy of abels worship offering.

 

[oldthennew]

we all have to acknowledge that at some time we all actually may teach in error-
until we come to the fullness of the Truth, through the Holy Spirit,
so we MUST all humble ourselves and acknowledge that we are
on THE journey and we MUST give allowances to one
another through Godly Love.

 

[dcontroversal]

It's just your claim, based upon you opinion that I am teaching error.

The same can be said of your view as well......and at the end of the day it is not my opinion.....NO WHERE does the bible say that ONE falls from GRACE if they use instruments in the way of worship...that is YOUR OPINION

NO where does it say that a harp is unacceptable when we see it was acceptable in the Psalms and in HEAVEN....that is your OPINION

The bible teaches a present reality of POSSESSING eternal LIFE NOW....YOUR OPINION DIFFERES

OVER and OVER you push added words, thoughts and ideals that are nothing more than your OPINION and things which are not FOUND IN SCRIPTURE........!

 

[notuptome]

Yes, and it says Christ's takes the OT out of the way NOT by destroying it but takes it out of the way by fulfilling it.

Heb 10:9 He take away the first so he may establish the second for both laws cannot co-exist side by side for they are not compatible.

That is a gross misunderstanding of what Christ said. The law co-exists with grace just fine. The law has always pointed to the necessity of grace.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Lynx]

When God said sing that automatically eliminates playing...simplest of logic.

Lie when you order the T-bone steak plate that eliminates the liver plate, the chicken plate, fish plate, etc, etc without you having to go thru the entire menu eliminating everything you do not want until you are left with the one thing you do want.

I have to disagree. When I go to our favorite local restaurant and order a plate of pan fried chicken livers (which are flat-out good by the way) it comes with other stuff - fries and a one-trip salad bar. I don't tell the waitress I want all that stuff, I tell her I want a liver plate.

Worship came with instruments and there is nowhere in the Bible where it says "Stop using instruments."

You need at least a better analogy. Probably a better hobby too... this hobby of railing at people on internet forums (fori?) seems to be a waste of time and not very satisfying, unless you just get off on arguing with people.

 

[Kerry]

I have to disagree. When I go to our favorite local restaurant and order a plate of pan fried chicken livers (which are flat-out good by the way) it comes with other stuff - fries and a one-trip salad bar. I don't tell the waitress I want all that stuff, I tell her I want a liver plate.

Worship came with instruments and there is nowhere in the Bible where it says "Stop using instruments."




You need at least a better analogy. Probably a better hobby too... this hobby of railing at people on internet forums (fori?) seems to be a waste of time and not very satisfying, unless you just get off on arguing with people.

All I want to know is where and when I have miles on south west airlines?

 

[dcontroversal]

All I want to know is where and when I have miles on south west airlines?

HAHHA I should have miles on Quantas as I have flown 38000 miles on Quantas over the last three months with two round trips to Australia and back.......!

 

[Kaycie]

if that were in any way true, then when God said "my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink" that automatically eliminates eating or drinking any earthly food or drink.

Only if you're thinking that the physical is more real than the spiritual- which it's not. The spiritual was here first. The spiritual is real life. The physical cannot exist without the spiritual, but the spiritual can exist without the physical. Therefore what is most real is the spiritual. So if God wants a real instrument He will choose a spiritual one- for us to sing from our hearts. The whole pattern of God's plan for us is physical life and physical praise, then physical life and spiritual praise, then finally spiritual life and spiritual praise. We are in the middle stage, and being in physical bodies but praising with spiritual instruments matches where we are in the big picture. Being in physical bodies and praising with physical instruments either takes us back to old testament times, or denies God's process of fading out physicality.

 

[Ukorin]

Only the OT ceremonies that are specifically mentioned as nullified by the New Covenant are to be treated with such disregard, and NONE of them deserve the contempt you have placed upon this topic.

Why is it that we don't sacrifice animals to God? Would it displeased Him? No.
We don't sacrifice animals for the sake of our own consciences, that we may be tempted to put faith in a redundant ritual, rather than in Christ. Sacrifices were actually done away with in Christ, as He is the complete and perfect sacrifice. If you are in Christ, you have no sin, and therefore no need of additional sacrifice for atonement.
What other command is as redundant as sacrifice of animals to cover sins? None.
Are grain offerings banned by the NT? Are tithes banned by the NT? Is not cutting the edges of my beard banned by the NT? Is leaving the corners of my field unharvested banned by the NT?

No Law is banned by the New Covenant. Only those who have placed their faith back in laws, rather than in the Blood of Christ, are judged as under the Law. The precepts of the Law are always good, and it's commands are always good.
Playing instruments was never an OT command for the people of God, but it was always commended as good and pleasing to God as praise. Has God changed?

For those who seek to be given rules, beyond what is stated in Scripture, are under law just as much or even more than any Hebrew. Who of you can live up to the standard of Christ? And yet you place yourselves under laws even He was not subject to. Distracted by "holy" culture!!! The Pharesees and Plato would applaud.

 

[Ukorin]

Who is at risk of placing their salvational maintenance upon their listening to and/or making of instrumental music?
I have never met such a person.
Only such a person would be banned from musical instruments.

 

[Kaycie]

Only the OT ceremonies that are specifically mentioned as nullified by the New Covenant are to be treated with such disregard, and NONE of them deserve the contempt you have placed upon this topic.

Why is it that we don't sacrifice animals to God? Would it displeased Him? No.
We don't sacrifice animals for the sake of our own consciences, that we may be tempted to put faith in a redundant ritual, rather than in Christ. Sacrifices were actually done away with in Christ, as He is the complete and perfect sacrifice. If you are in Christ, you have no sin, and therefore no need of additional sacrifice for atonement.
What other command is as redundant as sacrifice of animals to cover sins? None.
Are grain offerings banned by the NT? Are tithes banned by the NT? Is not cutting the edges of my beard banned by the NT? Is leaving the corners of my field unharvested banned by the NT?

No Law is banned by the New Covenant. Only those who have placed their faith back in laws, rather than in the Blood of Christ, are judged as under the Law. The precepts of the Law are always good, and it's commands are always good.
Playing instruments was never an OT command for the people of God, but it was always commended as good and pleasing to God as praise.

For those who seek to be given rules, beyond what is stated in Scripture, are under law just as much or even more than any Hebrew. Who of you can live up to the standard of Christ? And yet you place yourselves under laws even He was not subject to. Distracted by "holy" culture!!! The Pharesees and Plato would applaud.

We need to rightly divide the word of truth- that is old testament and this is new testament. The bible says if we follow one part of a law then we must follow all of it. If you follow any of the old law you must do all of it, including stoning people and paying for things with certain animals instead of money. Christ has ALL authority today- that leaves none for Moses. We are no longer to listen to the law and the prophets, but only to God's Son, says the Father Himself with His own voice.

 

[Ukorin]

We need to rightly divide the word of truth- that is old testament and this is new testament. The bible says if we follow one part of a law then we must follow all of it. If you follow any of the old law you must do all of it, including stoning people and paying for things with certain animals instead of money. Christ has ALL authority today- that leaves none for Moses. We are no longer to listen to the law and the prophets, but only to God's Son, says the Father Himself with His own voice.

Do you follow the 10 Commandments? Are you under the Law?
Quote the Scripture you think you are referencing.

Following the Law does not make one subject to it. Is God subject to His own Law? No, He establishes it!
Romans 3:31 says what?

Christ is the authority by which Moses spoke, and by which all the Prophets spoke.

 

[Ukorin]

Who have you been listening to? Satan Himself?
"We no longer listen to the law and prophets"
What is every passage of Scripture useful for? The New Testement will tell you.

To reject the Old is to also reject the New. We in Christ are the seed of Abraham. The very seed of Faith within us is what saved in the Old Testament, never the Law. The New Covenant is NOT a revised version of the Old Covenant! It is the revealing and manifestation of what was already there, and what has always been and always will be.

 

[Atwood]

The NT tradition is the command to sing.

Check your greek word Psallō.