Will you listen to what God has to say about OSAS? Just scriptures?

[royalscot]

we are born in sin... through grace and the obedience of faith Christ saves us from sin....as long as we are abiding in him...if for whatever reason we are drawn away from Christ...you are no longer in Christ ...therefore you are in sin there ia no middle ground...


we are saved by grace through faith....the law of the Spirit is made available to all men....both jew and Gentile


those who are IN Christ have no condemnation....it is the law of the Spirit of life IN Christ that sets you free from sin..
these things are only possible IN Christ...


thank you

the wages of sin is still death....the gift of God is still eternal life....eternal life is in Christ(where the law is abolished)...outside Christ is sin and death(where the law condemns)...you cannot have both...In Christ is freedom not a prison ....but no sin can abide in Christ

I think I have...if not just point out that which is not clear to you...

i have point it out to you, your telling people there is no new covenant
i am born it to a new covenant that covenant started about 32- 48 ad death beinging conquered.

being a believer or non believer will not change this. (adams sin was fixed by jesus)

blinded with sin and religion, but then claims that jesus never fix certain death under the sin of adam.

hence new covenant.

 

[royalscot]

Read your own post to which I responded...you begin the post by saying Paul is talking to Jews...and then quoting from the book of Galatians ... what was your intention if not to suggest that the scriptures where not related to a discussion on the issue?

thanks for that, yet i try to keep my posts small ,
so if you can see they point to the related to the topic, i only can hope the other posters can see the same thing.

 

[newbirth]

i have point it out to you, your telling people there is no new covenant
i am born it to a new covenant that covenant started about 32- 48 ad death beinging conquered.

being a believer or non believer will not change this. (adams sin was fixed by jesus)

blinded with sin and religion, but then claims that jesus never fix certain death under the sin of adam.

hence new covenant.

where did I say there is no new covenant???...it is either you are mistaken or a blatant liar...

Jesus did not Fix Adam sin...how does one fix a sin?? you are just saying things that come to your mind...In Christ one is removed from the penalty of death...all who remain under the Adamic nature will face certain death...there are two covenant....you cannot be under both at the same time...if you are under the new covenant ..you must be loyal to it...not just in words but in deed.....if you break your end of the covenant....then you are fallen back to the old...there is no middle ground...

 

[Nick1939]

Go back and read what John wrote and what Jesus said as well as the other writers of the bible......It is our FAITH and the blood of Christ that has allowed us to OVERCOME the world.
Revelation 12:11, 1st John 2:13-14, 4:4 5:4-5

You are right about the overcomer,that was not my point,
but this is what I was asking , can he blot out one that is already in the book? like in exodus 32:32, 33,
Which says , yet now, if you will forgive their sin,but if NOT, I pray, blot me out of your book which you have written ,

Verse 33, and the Lord said unto Moses,whoever has sinned against me,i will blot him out of my book.
to blot out one out of the book,he must be there at least one time,. God bless.

 

[royalscot]

where did I say there is no new covenant???...it is either you are mistaken or a blatant liar...
whos the liar
Jesus did not Fix Adam sin...how does one fix a sin?? you are just saying things that come to your mind...In Christ one is removed from the penalty of death...all who remain under the Adamic nature will face certain death...there are two covenant....you cannot be under both at the same time...if you are under the new covenant ..you must be loyal to it...not just in words but in deed.....if you break your end of the covenant....then you are fallen back to the old...there is no middle ground...

is this part of a new covenant.
9 For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.20 The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,21 so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.Romans 5

 

[royalscot]

where did I say there is no new covenant???...it is either you are mistaken or a blatant liar...
Death in Adam, Life in Christ
Jesus did not Fix Adam sin...how does one fix a sin?? you are just saying things that come to your mind...In Christ one is removed from the penalty of death...all who remain under the Adamic nature will face certain death...there are two covenant....you cannot be under both at the same time...if you are under the new covenant ..you must be loyal to it...not just in words but in deed.....if you break your end of the covenant....then you are fallen back to the old...there is no middle ground...

we are born in sin...(your quote)
who a liar.
Death in Adam, Life in Christ
12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned---13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[Elin]

You fail to understand that even a saved child of God will answer for the things done and said as in the
LOSS or gain of rewards...the condemnation of the law is not leveled against the SAVED as they are eternally secure in Christ...His OSAS doctrine is valid even though you are blind to it..........!

anyhow you put it ...they sinned and are being punished for it(loss rewards)....and they have already been forgiven for all those....your doctrine makes no sense...why should a believer lose reward because of a sin he has been forgiven of...seems to me he is paying or that sin

No. . .their works were not sin needing forgiveness, they were simply worthless for which there is no reward.

 

[royalscot]

.17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

strange, you get your definition of sin that came through the law given on sion
yet a new covenant has no sin in it.

yet religions gets it definition of sin through the law , yet the law saved no one.

yet 70 ad, said without a temple of stone, how can anyone follow the full law give on sion,

i wait for the answer to your speculation cc, no bot, or religion , can answer point two

For we cannot do anything against the truth, but only for the truth

 

[newbirth]

No. . .their works were not sin needing forgiveness, they were simply worthless for which there is no reward.

seems like you don't believe much of scripture...you seem certain one can get away with evil...
Matthew 12:36
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

 

[newbirth]

we are born in sin...(your quote)
who a liar.
Death in Adam, Life in Christ
12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned---13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

you still have not shown where I said there is no new covenant...

 

[royalscot]

you still have not shown where I said there is no new covenant...

when you answer who the lair is.
Jesus did not Fix Adam sin...how does one fix a sin?? you are just saying things that come to your mind...In Christ one is removed from the penalty of death...all who remain under the Adamic nature will face certain death...there are two covenant....you cannot be under both at the same time...if you are under the new covenant ..you must be loyal to it...not just in words but in deed.....if you break your end of the covenant....then you are fallen back to the old...there is no middle ground...(your quote)
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.1

 

[Mitspa]

You are right about the overcomer,that was not my point,
but this is what I was asking , can he blot out one that is already in the book? like in exodus 32:32, 33,
Which says , yet now, if you will forgive their sin,but if NOT, I pray, blot me out of your book which you have written ,

Verse 33, and the Lord said unto Moses,whoever has sinned against me,i will blot him out of my book.
to blot out one out of the book,he must be there at least one time,. God bless.

I think Hebrews sheds some light on that and describes them who passed through the water...No doubt God accounted all Israel saved until they turned back from faith. The warning being to those who turn from grace back to the law...the law is not of faith.

 

[forsha]

Please take note of words such as 'if', or 'unless'...


Hebrews 10:26,27 "For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, then there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries.”

John 15:1,2, “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch IN Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit."


John 15:6 "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.”


1 John 1:6,7 "If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.”


2 Peter 2:20-22 "For if after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed to them."


Romans 8:12,13 "So then, brethren (speaking to those who are saved), we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh—for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.” Notice the word 'putting' is an ongoing action- not 'have put' meaning past tense. This implies constant effort, action on our part after being saved.


1 Corinthians 15:1,2 "Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which also you stand, and by which you are saved, IF you hold fast the word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.” In vain means a waste of time because it did not result in salvation.


Colossians 1:21-23 "And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, (that is before you became Christians) you were engaged in evil deeds, yet He has now reconciled you (that is you have become a Christian) in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless beyond reproach—IF indeed you CONTINUE in the faith firmly established and STEADFAST, and NOT MOVED AWAY from the HOPE of the gospel which you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.”

2 Peter 2:20,21 "For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, (now these people are Christians) and they are again entangled in these things and they are overcome, that the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them”


1 Corinthians 9:24-27 "Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? You run in such a way that you may win. Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. Therefore I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in such a way, as not beating the air; but I discipline my body and I make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.”


Galatians 5:19-21 "Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, (who, ‘you Christians’) just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”


1 Timothy 4:1 "But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons."


Galatians 5:4 "You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.”


John 15:10 "IF you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commands and remain in his love."

If you, as you say, tell a lie and it causes you to lose your eternal salvation, then, I guess telling a lie is one of the sins that Jesus did not die for and to set you free, and wash you as white as snow. Is that what you are trying to teach? If Jesus died for all of the sins of all those that God gave him, would not that also include lying?

 

[forsha]

Matthew 10:22
And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.


Hebrews 10:36
For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised.


1 Timothy 4:16
Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers.


James 1:12
Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him.

All of these four scriptures you have quoted are referring to timely deliverances (salvations). The crown of life in James 1:12 is nor referring to eternal life, but that good life God has made available for those that obey his commandments. The same life it is talking about in Matt 7:14. Both of these gates are gates that his elect go in. Those that go in the wide gate are those of God's elect who are believing in false doctrines, and those elect that go in the strait gate are those who understand and practice the doctrine that Jesus taught.

 

[royalscot]

All of these four scriptures you have quoted are referring to timely deliverances (salvations). The crown of life in James 1:12 is nor referring to eternal life, but that good life God has made available for those that obey his commandments. The same life it is talking about in Matt 7:14. Both of these gates are gates that his elect go in. Those that go in the wide gate are those of God's elect who are believing in false doctrines, and those elect that go in the strait gate are those who understand and practice the doctrine that Jesus taught.

was jesus talking to a gentile people or a jewish people. in any of the gospels. (ie when did the new covenant start)
when was a gentile given these commands acts 15

you will find it dose not say in acts 15 they kept the 10 commandment in place,

they already believed in god through jesus.

18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.1

 

[dcontroversal]

You are right about the overcomer,that was not my point,
but this is what I was asking , can he blot out one that is already in the book? like in exodus 32:32, 33,
Which says , yet now, if you will forgive their sin,but if NOT, I pray, blot me out of your book which you have written ,

Verse 33, and the Lord said unto Moses,whoever has sinned against me,i will blot him out of my book.
to blot out one out of the book,he must be there at least one time,. God bless.

My view is that everyone was written in the book of the living before the foundation of the world and can have their name blotted out and or removed by the rejection of Jesus and the salvation/justification that comes by belief into him....!

 

[royalscot]

what we call the bible, was not put together by the right coarse of action, ie the old testament was never given to a non jewish person.(rome stole it by war) history is marked for a reason.

42 And He ordered us to preach to the people, and solemnly to testify that this is the One who has been appointed by God as Judge of the living and the dead.4Acts 10:

3 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed.24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.2

acts 15 under the law,

 

[kennethcadwell]

All of these four scriptures you have quoted are referring to timely deliverances (salvations). The crown of life in James 1:12 is nor referring to eternal life, but that good life God has made available for those that obey his commandments. The same life it is talking about in Matt 7:14. Both of these gates are gates that his elect go in. Those that go in the wide gate are those of God's elect who are believing in false doctrines, and those elect that go in the strait gate are those who understand and practice the doctrine that Jesus taught.

That is dangerously false teaching as there is only way gate that believers rather Jew or Gentile can go through, and that is through our Lord Jesus Christ. By believing in Him and following what He said.
If a person is walking in the wide gate they are lost and headed for spiritual death in the lake of fire, and not eternal life.

 

[Elin]

anyhow you put it ...they sinned and are being punished for it(loss rewards)....and they have already been forgiven for all those....your doctrine makes no sense...
why should a believer lose reward because of a sin he has been forgiven of...seems to me he is paying or that sin

No. . .their building was not sin needing forgiveness, it was simply worthless for which there is no reward,
but the "builder" is still saved even though what he built is worthless.

seems like you don't believe much of scripture...you seem certain one can get away with evil...
Matthew 12:36
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

You haven't read 1Co 1:10-15, have you?

It has nothing to do with Mt 12:6.

 

[newbirth]

You haven't read 1Co 1:10-15, have you?

It has nothing to do with Mt 12:6.

both these scripture are besides the point

you want to believe that all your future sins are already forgiven....and talk about reward and post scripture that have nothing to do with the issue
2 Corinthians 12:21
And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.