DeMystifying the Trinity

[secularhermit]

Jesus, in His last breath said:

Luk 23:46 Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Father! In your hands I place my spirit!" He said this and died.

He didn´t said:

I placed my soul, mind, body... but Spirit.

That was His special Last Breath (Spirit = Pneuma).

Psa 31:5 LORD, you are the God we can trust. I put my life in your hands. Save me!

That is linked to Psa 22.

When He spoke about fears, He never mentioned the "trinitarian formula" we were so clichéd to use: Body, mind, spirit.

He simple said this:

Mat 10:28 "Don't be afraid of people. They can kill the body, but they cannot kill the soul. The only one you should fear is God, the one who can send the body and the soul to be destroyed in hell.

So He was simply dualist, not "trinitarian" neither "triune", but there´s freedom to believe what we believed.

The adds-on came later on from the RCC.

 

[Elin]

Hi Eager! (I said Eagleridge)

Most of the Pauline´s greetins letters I have read say something like this:
1Co 1:1 Greetings from Paul. I was chosen to be an apostle of Christ Jesus. God chose me because that is what he wanted. Greetings also from Sosthenes, our brother in Christ.

2Co 1:1 Greetings from Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus. I am an apostle because that is what God wanted. Greetings also from Timothy our brother in Christ. To God's church in Corinth and to all of God's holy people throughout Achaia.
1Ti 1:1 Greetings from Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus. I am an apostle by the command of God our Savior and Christ Jesus our hope.
Tit 1:1 Greetings from Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ. I was sent to help God's chosen people have faith and understand the truth that produces a life of devotion to God.

In simple words, even
the so famous man mentioned 2 simple persons, not three...

He mentions the third person in Eph 1:13, 4:30; 1Th 4:8.

He says the Holy Spirit can be grieved (Eph 4:30).
Persons are grieved.

And then there is Jesus, who referred to the Holy Spirit with
personal pronouns (he, him, his),
personal titles (Comforter, Counselor, Advocate, Helper),
personal attributes (affections--Eph 4:30, intelligence--Lk 12:12; Jn 14:26, will--Ac 16:6-7),
personal functons (counseling, teaching, guiding, convicting, comforting--Jn 14:16, 26, 15:26, 16:7).

The reason? God is Spirit

Spirits are persons.

The angels who rebelled and the angels who did not are spirit beings who are persons.

The NT presents three divine persons in the one God.

 

[Bowman]

a little leaven leaven the whole lump....you take it upon yourself to promote God as a trinity...nowhere in scripture did he command this ...nowhere did he encourage it...and nowhere did he mention it...you are living a dream...

If you fail to worship Yahweh as He revealed Himself, Triune.....well, then you are as good as dead.

 

[newbirth]

If you fail to worship Yahweh as He revealed Himself, Triune.....well, then you are as good as dead.

that is your opinion ,and cannot be found nowhere in scripture...what you have done is make a false god in place of the true and living God....there is a penalty for that...

 

[newbirth]

He mentions the third person in Eph 1:13, 4:30; 1Th 4:8.

He says the Holy Spirit can be grieved (Eph 4:30).
Persons are grieved.

And then there is Jesus, who referred to the Holy Spirit with
personal pronouns (he, him, his),
personal titles (Comforter, Counselor, Advocate, Helper),
personal attributes (affections--Eph 4:30, intelligence--Lk 12:12; Jn 14:26, will--Ac 16:6-7),
personal functons (counseling, teaching, guiding, convicting, comforting--Jn 14:16, 26, 15:26, 16:7).

Spirits are persons.

The angels who rebelled and the angels who did not are spirit beings who are persons.

The NT presents three divine persons in the one God.

you are a joke ...the man is talking about salutation in the epistles...the most that would be is up to five verses....in the first chapter...the closest you got is Eph 1:13...

the question is why is the HS not mentioned in the salutation of the epistles...

 

[Bowman]

that is your opinion ,and cannot be found nowhere in scripture...what you have done is make a false god in place of the true and living God....there is a penalty for that...

It can be found ALL throughout scripture.

This is why God utterly destroyed the Jews, time, after time, after time.

You should try reading the OT...it will open those closed eyes of yours...

 

[secularhermit]

If you fail to worship Yahweh as He revealed Himself, Triune.....well, then you are as good as dead.

"Listen Israel... God is ONE..."

I have lied a lot. I don´t believe God lied once.

 

[secularhermit]

He mentions the third person in Eph 1:13, 4:30; 1Th 4:8.

He says the Holy Spirit can be grieved (Eph 4:30).
Persons are grieved.

And then there is Jesus, who referred to the Holy Spirit with
personal pronouns (he, him, his),
personal titles (Comforter, Counselor, Advocate, Helper),
personal attributes (affections--Eph 4:30, intelligence--Lk 12:12; Jn 14:26, will--Ac 16:6-7),
personal functons (counseling, teaching, guiding, convicting, comforting--Jn 14:16, 26, 15:26, 16:7).

Spirits are persons.

The angels who rebelled and the angels who did not are spirit beings who are persons.

The NT presents three divine persons in the one God.

You can pick any of those (and ignore the Lord´s teaching before His Ascension). There is where the "dogma" crept in...


Jesus, when talking about commands, said:

Luk 10:27 And he answered, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself."

Why didn´t He say, instead: Love God (The Father, the Son & Pneuma) and your neighbor... He was teaching those who had more than several centuries with religious traditions.

But I won´t die for believing as dualist: One God, one Lord, Jesus the Christ.

 

[secularhermit]

You can pick any of those (and ignore the Lord´s teaching before His Ascension). There is where the "dogma" crept in...


Jesus, when talking about commands, said:

Luk 10:27 And he answered, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself."

Why didn´t He say, instead: Love God (The Father, the Son & Pneuma) and your neighbor... He was teaching those who had more than several centuries with religious traditions.

But I won´t die for believing as dualist: One God, one Lord, Jesus the Christ.

Where, in Acts, His former disciples were using the Triune "formula"?

Act 19:5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.


This verse led some of my spiritual brothers to believe as "only Jesus", within another branch of Pentecostalism.

 

[newbirth]

It can be found ALL throughout scripture.

This is why God utterly destroyed the Jews, time, after time, after time.

You should try reading the OT...it will open those closed eyes of yours...

you should try believing God and not religion...he will open your understanding...

 

[Bowman]

"Listen Israel... God is ONE..."

I have lied a lot. I don´t believe God lied once.

The Shema IS Triune.

Please get some NEW material...

 

[Bowman]

You can pick any of those (and ignore the Lord´s teaching before His Ascension). There is where the "dogma" crept in...


Jesus, when talking about commands, said:

Luk 10:27 And he answered, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself."

Why didn´t He say, instead: Love God (The Father, the Son & Pneuma) and your neighbor... He was teaching those who had more than several centuries with religious traditions.

But I won´t die for believing as dualist: One God, one Lord, Jesus the Christ.

Again and again, you Trinity-deniers refuse to look at what is being stated.

Jesus is quoting from the OT Law.

If you look to the Hebrew, then you see the One God being referred to as a composite unity Yahweh Elohim.....two terms, both singular and plural!

That is why Jesus refers to the One God in the equivalent Greek terms Kyrion Theon.

 

[Bowman]

Where, in Acts, His former disciples were using the Triune "formula"?

Act 19:5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.


This verse led some of my spiritual brothers to believe as "only Jesus", within another branch of Pentecostalism.

The Baptismal formula NAME had already been established as Triune.

Thus...since The Son has the same ONE Name as The Father and The Spirit...all you need mention in The Son to invoke The Trinity.

This verse proves the interchangeability.

So simple a caveman could understand it...

 

[Elin]

He mentions the third person in Eph 1:13, 4:30; 1Th 4:8.

He says the Holy Spirit can be grieved (Eph 4:30).
Persons are grieved.

And then there is Jesus, who referred to the Holy Spirit with
personal pronouns (he, him, his),
personal titles (Comforter, Counselor, Advocate, Helper),
personal attributes (affections--Eph 4:30, intelligence--Lk 12:12; Jn 14:26, will--Ac 16:6-7),
personal functons (counseling, teaching, guiding, convicting, comforting--Jn 14:16, 26, 15:26, 16:7).

Spirits are persons.

The angels who rebelled and the angels who did not are spirit beings who are persons.

The NT presents three divine persons in the one God.

You can pick any of those (and
ignore the Lord´s teaching before His Ascension).

The above is Jesus' teaching before his ascension.

All Scripture is God-breathed, not just the red letters.

Jesus lived, taught and died under the old covenant,
and his revelation of the new order (Heb 9:10) of the new covenant
was very limited because he had not yet died, and there was no
basis on which anyone could understand its meaning.

That had to wait until after his death when he revealed it all to Paul.

Paul received his doctrine from Jesus Christ personally, and
Peter groups Paul's writings with the Scriptures (2Pe 3:16).

There is where the "dogma" crept in...

"Dogma" doesn't "creep" into the word of God.

Whatever are you talking about?

Jesus, when talking about commands, said:

Luk 10:27 And he answered, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself."

Why didn´t He say, instead: Love God (The Father, the Son & Pneuma) and your neighbor... He was teaching those who had more than several centuries with religious traditions.

Jesus is the one who promised the Holy Spirit, referring to him as
a person (he, him, his),
with a personal title (Comforter) and
exercising personal functions (counseling, guiding, teaching, convicting).

Read Jn 17, as well as Jn 14:6, 26, 15:26: 16:7.

But I won´t die for believing as dualist: One God, one Lord, Jesus the Christ.

You've got a truncated notion of what Jesus revealed.

 

[Elin]

Where, in Acts, His former disciples were using the Triune "formula"?

Is Acts the only book in the Bible?

Is everything that happened recorded in the NT?

Act 19:5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Yes, that was the difference between John's baptism and gospel baptism.

John's baptism was a baptism only of repentance, it was not a baptism in the name of,
nor of faith in Christ Jesus.

However, Jesus' baptism was a baptism in the name of the Triune God who saves,
the Father decreeing salvation by forgiveness of sin (Lk 1:77),
the Son effecting salvation on the cross (Ro 3:25), and
the Holy Spirit applying salvation in the new birth (Jn 3:5).

 

[jackmoore]

If you fail to worship Yahweh as He revealed Himself, Triune.....well, then you are as good as dead.

God never revealed himself as triune or plural.

 

[Elin]

God never revealed himself as triune or plural.

Jesus is God, and he revealed three divine agents (persons) in the one God,
himself being the second one.

 

[Bowman]

God never revealed himself as triune or plural.

God has always revealed Himself as Plural.

What made people start thinking there was more than one God in the first place?


Start using your head....

 

[secularhermit]

God never revealed himself as triune or plural.

The times I have read God "revealed" in the NT was when He spoke to Jesus saying "listen to Him..." and when He torn the temple curtains; but it wasn´t Triune, but in a dualistic form, same way when Jesus called Lazarus out of his tomb.




Joh 11:41 So they took away the stone. And Jesus lifted up his eyes and said, "Father, I thank you that you have heard me.


Joh 11:42 I knew that you always hear me, but I said this on account of the people standing around, that they may believe that you sent me."

 

[Elin]

The times I have read God "revealed" in the NT was when He spoke to Jesus saying "listen to Him..." and when He torn the temple curtains; but it wasn´t Triune, but in a dualistic form, same way when Jesus called Lazarus out of his tomb.

Jesus is God, and he revealed three divine agents (persons) in the one God, himself being the second one.