50 Shades of Grey is Women's Porn

[Human]

Lol to the Twilight comment,yes the character seemed pretty stunned.So I agree with you mostly.I'd just like to make two points.I annoys me when society tells us what we want in the bedroom.That we need to be liberated to say what we want.I'm just recently married and I can tell my husband what I want.I dont want him watching 50 Shades to try and figure what I want,or apparently another female favorite "Magic Mike".

It should not be viewed as a platform sto say ''this is what all women want'', but as inspiration to think ''perhaps she might want something different''. Generally, in relationships, women find itdifficult to ask for, or express, their true sexual desires and in this regard 50 Shades has been liberating because it gives women a platform from which to actually tell their partners what they'd really like. The fact that it has sold so many copies is testament to the power the book has as a sexual tool in our modern age where prudence can often come before satisfaction between couples.

This leads into my second point that men and especially young men are seeing this going on and thinking a woman wants to be beat and raped for his pleasure and gratification.

This simply isn't true. No sexual act in and of itself in the book is overtly predatory. This is an exaggeration.

And young women are being taught that if he chooses you over all the others to be his sex object you ought to be ecstatic with that.

Then it is an opportunity for growth for us and for young women. If young women truly build their entire relationship values of one book I worry for the state of young womens' sense of reason. In reality you view them as far more unintelligent than they actually are. Women read the book and generally find themselves attracted to MR Grey because of the fantasy of being dominated. That is not to say they take the love story itself, if it can be called that, as the pinnacle of independent and egalitarian romanticism; they do not, generally.

He stalks you like prey and thats a compliment.

Being desired to the point of obsession is a romantic and sexual fantasy for many women.

I hate to be too vulgar,and perhaps I am,but women fought for the vote and burned bras for "equality" and now their being taught their best work is on their knees.

They're being taught nothing but what they take from the book. Again, many women find it liberating to have a platform from which they can recognize their genuine sexual desires with their partners rather than suppress them as society often tells them they must.

This tripe is why we have collage boys gang raping young women and seeing nothing wrong with it.

College boys are smart enough to understand it's just a book, and college ''rape'' is over-reported and highly exaggerated because of the same neo-feministic ideals you seem to want to support. The reason college boys end up in false rape accusation cases is because feminists redefine rape to mean ''regretted sex''. Regretted consensual sex is not rape.

Woman are treated with less respect today in many ways then 50yrs ago.My grandmother was known as "Mrs.So and So". Now days women are suppose use stripper poles for "exercise".

Supposed to? That's a gross exaggeration.

Once again women are nothing more than sexual objects as far as society is concerned.

Ad yet if it was socially propagated that women should cover up (or God forbid, wear a burkha to save themselves from exploitation or sexual objectification) you'd oppose that too, I would imagine.

Look, women are free to do what they like in our society. That's the bottom line really.

 

[jsr1221]

It should not be viewed as a platform sto say ''this is what all women want'', but as inspiration to think ''perhaps she might want something different''. Generally, in relationships, women find itdifficult to ask for, or express, their true sexual desires and in this regard 50 Shades has been liberating because it gives women a platform from which to actually tell their partners what they'd really like. The fact that it has sold so many copies is testament to the power the book has as a sexual tool in our modern age where prudence can often come before satisfaction between couples.



This simply isn't true. No sexual act in and of itself in the book is overtly predatory. This is an exaggeration.



Then it is an opportunity for growth for us and for young women. If young women truly build their entire relationship values of one book I worry for the state of young womens' sense of reason. In reality you view them as far more unintelligent than they actually are. Women read the book and generally find themselves attracted to MR Grey because of the fantasy of being dominated. That is not to say they take the love story itself, if it can be called that, as the pinnacle of independent and egalitarian romanticism; they do not, generally.



Being desired to the point of obsession is a romantic and sexual fantasy for many women.



They're being taught nothing but what they take from the book. Again, many women find it liberating to have a platform from which they can recognize their genuine sexual desires with their partners rather than suppress them as society often tells them they must.



College boys are smart enough to understand it's just a book, and college ''rape'' is over-reported and highly exaggerated because of the same neo-feministic ideals you seem to want to support. The reason college boys end up in false rape accusation cases is because feminists redefine rape to mean ''regretted sex''. Regretted consensual sex is not rape.



Supposed to? That's a gross exaggeration.



Ad yet if it was socially propagated that women should cover up (or God forbid, wear a burkha to save themselves from exploitation or sexual objectification) you'd oppose that too, I would imagine.

Look, women are free to do what they like in our society. That's the bottom line really.

If you're not married and wishing what's in the book is happening to you, how is it not secretly lusting after it?

 

[Human]

If you're not married and wishing what's in the book is happening to you, how is it not secretly lusting after it?

Well it isn't not secretly lusting after it. But on a lesser scale, ''that Johnny Depp is so gorgeous'' is a thought with the same motivation.

 

[jsr1221]

Well it isn't not secretly lusting after it. But on a lesser scale, ''that Johnny Depp is so gorgeous'' is a thought with the same motivation.

It's one thing to acknowledge if someone is handsome. It's another if you're in bed, reading the book, and imaganing Johnny Depp being Mr. Grey and you being the girl in the book.

 

[Human]

It's one thing to acknowledge if someone is handsome. It's another if you're in bed, reading the book, and imaganing Johnny Depp being Mr. Grey and you being the girl in the book.

Well that's true. But again, it's exactly the same motivation; sexual desire. Do you think women don't look at men and think ''I'd like to sleep with that man?''? That's inherently what sexual attraction is. Let's be honest about it.

 

[jsr1221]

Well that's true. But again, it's exactly the same motivation; sexual desire. Do you think women don't look at men and think ''I'd like to sleep with that man?''? That's inherently what sexual attraction is. Let's be honest about it.

I never said they didn't. That's why I think beaches are the worst. Just as many women are checking out shirtless men as there are men checking out girls in short clothing. If you want to even call those bathing suits clothing.

 

[Human]

I never said they didn't. That's why I think beaches are the worst. Just as many women are checking out shirtless men as there are men checking out girls in short clothing. If you want to even call those bathing suits clothing.

Men will find women attractive, sexually, if she shows nothing but her face, and the same vice versa. It's not a clothing issue, it's a human nature issue; we're hard-wired for sexual attraction.

 

[djness]

When you say this

Originally Posted by Nautilus

IM just going to say there is a huge difference between the quasi-consensual form of bdsm discussed in the novel and then the kidnappings you try to relate it with. A bit more understanding of your conversation topics may be in order. You would be surprised how many couples incorporate bdsm in some form or another into their relationships.

Stephen63:2 things:
1) Not surprised hearing your answer, knowing your liberal demeanor.
2) How do you know what couples are doing behind closed doors?

Don't follow up with

Originally Posted by JonahLynx

Given the sheer number of men in the church who are addicted to real pornography, which isn't just words on a page and fictional characters, I'd say whatever damage 50 Shades does to the church (if any) does not compare to what people participate in and support regularly.

Stephen63:Oh, 50 shades is by no means the first piece of porn liberal christian women have been reading. I remember "True Story" magazines in the late 60's & romance novels right after that. When you sum them all up, you'll get a quite a total of porn trash.

How do YOU remember ''True Story'' magazines....
If you are going to fire off at someone it's best to be above reproach.

 

[jsr1221]

Men will find women attractive, sexually, if she shows nothing but her face, and the same vice versa. It's not a clothing issue, it's a human nature issue; we're hard-wired for sexual attraction.

It's everywhere around us. Movies. Magazines. Books even. Our society glamarizes sex appeal in every way.

 

[Human]

It's everywhere around us. Movies. Magazines. Books even. Our society glamarizes sex appeal in every way.

We commercialize sex, because sex sells. I believe it's morally wrong in various ways, too, but the alternatives are just as opposed as the current trends are.

 

[JFSurvivor]

OK, so one of the most popular books on the market right now among women is "50 Shades of Grey," which is soon be hitting the big screen as a movie as well. It is very hotly followed by a large number of women for it's primarily sexual content and drama, all of which are sinful in nature. In fact, most of the women in my church from twenty to eighty, whether they have husbands or not, have an infatuation with the main character Christian Grey and his carnal appetite, secretly desiring that the things in that book would happen to them. I hear them talking about it in church lately like it's as plain as discussing the weather, and right beside their husbands no less!

Now let it simply be asked, how is this any different from pornography? The book may not have any pictures, I grant you, but pornography is not limited to visual content...

You see, the sin in Pornography is not in looking at a picture, but in lusting within the heart. Since lust of the heart is the main sin of pornographic content, whatever media it comes through must be considered sinful. Add to that the fact that although men are visual creatures, women are emotional, so a drama about sex in written form is basically "their" form of personalized pornography. Most women in the world would become angry if they caught their husbands reading Playboy and calling it "literature". Yet give one of my female friends from church a copy of "50 Shades," and watch her husband and Jesus go out the windows of hear heart, and "Mr. Grey" (or shall we say Satan) come in.

A woman who reads "50 Shades" and is a Christian does the same thing as a married Christian man who chooses to view pornography to lust over. The people in the book and on the screen are not their spouses, yet their fantasy is full of fornicating with them. Any woman who reads "50 Shades" and calls herself Christian would be a hypocrite to think she could criticize her husband over watching porn when she is just committing the same sin herself! Although I'm not saying the husband would definitely deserve a serious rebuke!

A man can be made jealous after his wife's heart by the sin of pornography as well, no different from a woman. Do not think for one minute that only men commit sexual sin in terms of carnal media subject material. If you are a Christian woman out there who is married before God to your Christian husband, make your first love Christ and your second love the man you said "I do" to! If you have desires from the book's subject matter that you want fulfilled, it is your husband's job to strive and please you with those methods, not Satan's!

The way it is written makes it porn. It's actually a glorified abusive relationship. It all has to do with the Lolita effect. 50 Shades of Grey is the vilest worst, most disgusting kind of porn on the planet.

 

[LionEyes]

The fact that it has sold so many copies is testament to the power the book has as a sexual tool in our modern age where prudence can often come before satisfaction between couples.

Ughhh... How can you even try to defend this awful, awful tripe?

It sold because of hype, as I've already mentioned. Most people I know (men and women) disliked the books and regretted buying them. Also notice the great number of negative reviews on amazon and the similar sites. Furthermore, there are thousands upon thousands of much better erotica books and stories, many of which are free online. Take any one of those and turn it into a women's sexual liberation book. Leave this 50 Shades of Abuse in the seedy corners of fanfiction where it belongs.

This simply isn't true. No sexual act in and of itself in the book is overtly predatory. This is an exaggeration.

It is not an exaggeration. I've read the first book, and it is just as terrible as everyone says it is. Listen to the bad reviews!

Look, women are free to do what they like in our society. That's the bottom line really.

Yes, and I am free to rant about this horrible "book" and re-write it so that Christian Grey goes on vacation to Silent Hill and is tormented by physical manifestations of his psyche forever.

 

[Human]

Ughhh... How can you even try to defend this awful, awful tripe?

I never said it was a good book. I think it's an awful book. That said, it's done what it's done for plenty of women. Sex toys sales went through the roof after its release, and a large number of women report that the book's social acceptance -- to some degree -- has given them courage to experiment with their sex lives whereas before they felt ashamed. I never said it was a good book, I said it has been a platform for a lot of women to be open about their sexual fantasies, which it has.

It sold because of hype, as I've already mentioned. Most people I know (men and women) disliked the books and regretted buying them. Also notice the great number of negative reviews on amazon and the similar sites. Furthermore, there are thousands upon thousands of much better erotica books and stories, many of which are free online. Take any one of those and turn it into a women's sexual liberation book. Leave this 50 Shades of Abuse in the seedy corners of fanfiction where it belongs.

Fair enough. You dislike the book. Lots of people dislike the book. I dislike the book.

It is not an exaggeration. I've read the first book, and it is just as terrible as everyone says it is. Listen to the bad reviews!

I highly doubt lots of college boys gangrape college girls without regret because 50 Shades of Grey reckons it's okay. That was the point I replied to and called an ''exaggeration''.

Yes, and I am free to rant about this horrible "book" and re-write it so that Christian Grey goes on vacation to Silent Hill and is tormented by physical manifestations of his psyche forever.

... I might read that.

 

[kaylagrl]

Men will find women attractive, sexually, if she shows nothing but her face, and the same vice versa. It's not a clothing issue, it's a human nature issue; we're hard-wired for sexual attraction.

Yes we're hard wired for sex but thats why the Bible says to control that nature until the right time,marriage.We're hard wired to cheat,be mean,and petty but we can and do control that nature.Sex is no different.We're not animals.

 

[Human]

Yes we're hard wired for sex but thats why the Bible says to control that nature until the right time,marriage.We're hard wired to cheat,be mean,and petty but we can and do control that nature.Sex is no different.We're not animals.

I disagree with that statement. I don't think we're hard-wired to be mean and petty at all. I'd say we're hard wired to be socially accomodating and thus socially accepted, and that means not being mean and petty. I think we learn meanness and pettiness, particularly in a society that rewards greed and subversively suggests from a young age that compulsory education equals material wealth and material wealth equals human value.

Given a more wild scenario than civilization provides, distinct from the commercial and monetary reigns that are around our necks, I don't think pettiness and meanness would be as rife as they are.

 

[jsr1221]

I disagree with that statement. I don't think we're hard-wired to be mean and petty at all. I'd say we're hard wired to be socially accomodating and thus socially accepted, and that means not being mean and petty. I think we learn meanness and pettiness, particularly in a society that rewards greed and subversively suggests from a young age that compulsory education equals material wealth and material wealth equals human value.

Given a more wild scenario than civilization provides, distinct from the commercial and monetary reigns that are around our necks, I don't think pettiness and meanness would be as rife as they are.

If we're not hard-wired to be mean than why is the world the way it is?

 

[kaylagrl]

Ughhh... How can you even try to defend this awful, awful tripe?

It sold because of hype, as I've already mentioned. Most people I know (men and women) disliked the books and regretted buying them. Also notice the great number of negative reviews on amazon and the similar sites. Furthermore, there are thousands upon thousands of much better erotica books and stories, many of which are free online. Take any one of those and turn it into a women's sexual liberation book. Leave this 50 Shades of Abuse in the seedy corners of fanfiction where it belongs.



It is not an exaggeration. I've read the first book, and it is just as terrible as everyone says it is. Listen to the bad reviews!



Yes, and I am free to rant about this horrible "book" and re-write it so that Christian Grey goes on vacation to Silent Hill and is tormented by physical manifestations of his psyche forever.

Goes to Silent Hill lol lol Now theres a movie.Let me know if you make it.

 

[Human]

If we're not hard-wired to be mean than why is the world the way it is?

Because it's ruled by psychopaths, not by the rational, empathetic majority, and we have been forced to live within the financial and educational and social constraints those rulers impose.

 

[kaylagrl]

I disagree with that statement. I don't think we're hard-wired to be mean and petty at all. I'd say we're hard wired to be socially accomodating and thus socially accepted, and that means not being mean and petty. I think we learn meanness and pettiness, particularly in a society that rewards greed and subversively suggests from a young age that compulsory education equals material wealth and material wealth equals human value.

Given a more wild scenario than civilization provides, distinct from the commercial and monetary reigns that are around our necks, I don't think pettiness and meanness would be as rife as they are.

Well I disagree with your disagreement.Being Christian I believe we're born in sin and its our nature to sin.That is not your worldview.So we therefore disagree.ha!

 

[Human]

Well I disagree with your disagreement.Being Christian I believe we're born in sin and its our nature to sin.That is not your worldview.So we therefore disagree.ha!

Do you consider your childrens' natural tendencies a result of inherent inadequacy? In that vein, when you first sent your children to school to ''learn'', did they resist? If so, why do they tend towards resistance?

Chidren represent humanity in their most unadulterated form, and so it is children we should look to in order to understand humanities most inherent natural conditions, not adults.