DeMystifying the Trinity

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One of the better descriptions I've heard is three torches burning with a single flame.
 
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Re: Jacked...

Paul presents them as co-equal:
Father and Son co-equal--Ro 1:7; 1Co 1:3; 2Co 1:2; Gal 1:3; Eph 1:2; Php 1:2; 1Th 1:1, 3:11;
2Th 1:2, 8, 12, 2:16, 3:5;
Father and Spirit co-equal--Ro 8:9, 27;
Son and Spirit co-equal--Ro 8:9; Gal 4:6; 2Co 3:17, 18;


Each is God....but each is NOT the other.




which is his meaning when he states "Now the Lord (
kurios, Christ) is the Spirit." (2Co 3:17)
Paul's meaning when he states "Now the Lord (kurios, Christ) is the Spirit" in 2Co 3:17
is that they are co-equal.

Since when does 'co-equal' mean that they are each other, as you are trying to make it...?

Show us exactly where in the Greek this is mentioned...
 

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Elin said:
Paul's meaning when he states "Now the Lord (kurios, Christ) is the Spirit" in 2Co 3:17
is that they are co-equal.
Since when does 'co-equal' mean that they are each other, as you are trying to make it...?
I am saying that its meaning is Paul's meaning.
 

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Elin said:
Bowman said:
Elin said:
The NT writers chose kurios hundreds of times to refer to Christ.
They chose theos to refer to God, not to Christ
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Jesus IS God.
He is not God the Father.
Agreed.

The term 'Theos' is not exclusive to referring to God The Father.
It is used of no other person of the Trinity, only of the Father.

It is not used of Christ, kurios is used of Christ, hundreds of times.
 
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It is used of no other person of the Trinity, only of the Father.
Wrong.

Titus 2.13

προσδεχομενοι την μακαριαν ελπιδα και επιφανειαν της δοξης του μεγαλου θεου και σωτηρος ημων χριστου ιησου

Looking for the blessed hope and appearance of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
 
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Wrong.

Titus 2.13

προσδεχομενοι την μακαριαν ελπιδα και επιφανειαν της δοξης του μεγαλου θεου και σωτηρος ημων χριστου ιησου

Looking for the blessed hope and appearance of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
without a doubt our great God is the Father....so now you are agreeing that Jesus Christ is God the Father....you just blew another hole in your trinity docrtine
 
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without a doubt our great God is the Father....so now you are agreeing that Jesus Christ is God the Father....you just blew another hole in your trinity docrtine
Thanks for publicly displaying your ignorance......................again.

The above verse follows one of the most established rules of Greek grammar, TSKS, and mandates that Theos and Savior have the same one referent, Jesus Christ.

This is fact - completely independent of your worldview.

Please go somewhere else with your meritless, face hitting the concrete, assertions...:)
 
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Thanks for publicly displaying your ignorance......................again.

The above verse follows one of the most established rules of Greek grammar, TSKS, and mandates that Theos and Savior have the same one referent, Jesus Christ.

This is fact - completely independent of your worldview.

Please go somewhere else with your meritless, face hitting the concrete, assertions...:)
so you are saying theos does not refer to God the Father..???
 
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so you are saying theos does not refer to God the Father..???

There is scripture stating that Theos is The Father.

There is scripture stating that Theos is The Holy Spirit.

And, as I already showed you, there is scripture stating that Theos is Jesus Christ.



You are without excuse...

 
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There is scripture stating that Theos is The Father.

There is scripture stating that Theos is The Holy Spirit.

And, as I already showed you, there is scripture stating that Theos is Jesus Christ.



You are without excuse...

there is scripture stating there is but one God the Father...so you are without excuse...you have made Jesus the one God who is the Father...and HS the one God who is the Father...and God the one God who is the Father......then in the same breath you say they are not each other...and Jesus is not the Father ...Spirit is not the Father and God is apart from the Father...

look at your diagram...point your finger to the Son ...now move it to the centre Son is God now move it to Father....what does it say...Son is God is Father ....so Son is God and the Father
 
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there is scripture stating there is but one God the Father...so you are without excuse...you have made Jesus the one God who is the Father...and HS the one God who is the Father...and God the one God who is the Father......then in the same breath you say they are not each other...and Jesus is not the Father ...Spirit is not the Father and God is apart from the Father...
I have already shown you where Jesus is the true God.

You had absolutely NO comment....because it was not one of your pet verses.



look at your diagram...point your finger to the Son ...now move it to the centre Son is God now move it to Father....what does it say...Son is God is Father ....so Son is God and the Father
First of all, thanks for finally looking to the Trinity Shield for your answers.

Secondly, you still do NOT know how to read it....as Each Person is the One God....but NOT each other.
 

Elin

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Wrong.

Titus 2.13

προσδεχομενοι την μακαριαν ελπιδα και επιφανειαν της δοξης του μεγαλου θεου και σωτηρος ημων χριστου ιησου

Looking for the blessed hope and appearance of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
Could that not mean two co-equal persons, Father and Son?
 

Elin

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Titus 2.13

προσδεχομενοι την μακαριαν ελπιδα και επιφανειαν της δοξης του μεγαλου θεου και σωτηρος ημων χριστου ιησου

Looking for the blessed hope and appearance of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

The above verse follows one of the most established rules of Greek grammar, TSKS, and mandates that
Theos and Savior have the same one referent, Jesus Christ.
Theos is still the word "God," not the word "Lord,"
just as
kurios is the word "Lord," not the word "God," and
is used hundreds of time in the NT of the Lord who is Jesus Christ.

"The Lord is the Spirit"
(2Co 3:17, 18) refers to the co-equal relationship
of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.