Working out our Salvation

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes you can put it that way, as our sins is what causes us to be enmity to God.
However we have a just Lord in Jesus that when we repent and confess of those sins, He will give us remission of them and cleanse us of all our unrighteousness. So that when we stand before Him at the mercy seat we will be found perfect before God.

so jesus sprinkled his blood on the mercy seat over and over like the high priest did? I thought he spilt his blood once, and sat at the right hand of God making intercession?? Not spilling his blood over and over.

Did you not get the meaning behind the day of atonement sacrifice and sprinkling?

 

[kennethcadwell]

so jesus sprinkled his blood on the mercy seat over and over like the high priest did? I thought he spilt his blood once, and sat at the right hand of God making intercession?? Not spilling his blood over and over.

Did you not get the meaning behind the day of atonement sacrifice and sprinkling?

Lord Jesus did die for sins once and for all, but that does not mean everybody is automatically forgiven at that point.

We still have to accept what He did for us on the cross, by faith in trusting what He said when we hear the word. Repenting of past and present sins at the time of acceptance, and then confession of future sins when we commit them to be cleansed of all our unrighteousness. We can not just take and cast away Romans 3:25, and 2 Peter 1:9 that both say only past sins have received remission, and 1 John 1:9,2:1-2 that shows future sins still need to be confessed to receive remission.

 

[michael56]

For Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. Heb 9:24-26

 

[michael56]

For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. Heb 10:14

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Lord Jesus did die for sins once and for all, but that does not mean everybody is automatically forgiven at that point.

then how do you explain God saying we were chosen in him before the foundation of the world. Predestined as sons, He knows who are his, vs who are not his, he will not lose anyone.

non of these things could be true if your right.

not to mention, the vision of the high priest on the day of atonement is useless..

We still have to accept what He did for us on the cross, by faith in trusting what He said when we hear the word. Repenting of past and present sins at the time of acceptance, and then confession of future sins when we commit them to be cleansed of all our unrighteousness. We can not just take and cast away Romans 3:25, and 2 Peter 1:9 that both say only past sins have received remission, and 1 John 1:9,2:1-2 that shows future sins still need to be confessed to receive remission.

those who have faith do trust God.

but as scripture says, God foreknew who these people would be before time began.

 

[PWE]

in the greek, your salvation is written as a way in which you own it. (your already saved)

working out is working out the power you have been given based on the fact your saved.

Fear and trembling, Paul feared all the time he would do something which would cause his light to stop shining (his message null and void) he would be an unqualified teacher (no one would listen to him)

What it does not mean? Paul never feared losing salvation, he said over and over, to be absent from this body is to be present with God, and that was his desire.. and hope.

We need to let Paul speak for himself:

[SUP]6 [/SUP]who “will render to each one according to his deeds”:[SUP]7 [/SUP]eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; [SUP]8 [/SUP]but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, [SUP]9 [/SUP]tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek;[SUP]10 [/SUP]but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For there is no partiality with God. (Romans 2:6-11)

[SUP]22 [/SUP]Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. (Romans 11:22)

[SUP]2 [/SUP]by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. (1 Corinthians 15:2)

[SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— [SUP]23[/SUP]if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister. (Colossians 1:22-23)

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; (Philippians 2:12)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you. (1 Timothy 4:16)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified. (2 Corinthians 13:5)

 

[kennethcadwell]

then how do you explain God saying we were chosen in him before the foundation of the world. Predestined as sons, He knows who are his, vs who are not his, he will not lose anyone.

non of these things could be true if your right.

not to mention, the vision of the high priest on the day of atonement is useless..



those who have faith do trust God.

but as scripture says, God foreknew who these people would be before time began.

We are predestined to come to Christ, but not all will come to Him. For many are called but few are chosen, because we are all called by the Lord, but not all will accept that calling and walk as they are called to do. They will reject Him and His words making themselves a disobedient son, who the Lord says in Luke 12:46 He will appoint them a place with the unbelievers.
Those who come to Him, hear what He says and does it He will never loose because they will continue in their faith of love and obedience to Him (Luke 6:46-49). You say people who do have faith do trust got, but yet that is not true as I have seen many who say they have faith in Him but continue to deny His teachings/commands. They have a profession of faith, but their actions show different to they only have mere belief. They are more of the crowd mentioned in Titus 1:16, that are lead falsely in a mere belief gospel that does not save because they believe they can continue to serve both Him and the world (flesh).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We are predestined to come to Christ, but not all will come to Him.

It says in the word that gd foreknew the elect. Calling and election are not the same.

Why do you deny the omniscience of God. God chose based on who he knew would trust him and who would not.. Do you think God thought someone was going to have faith in him, and the person did not end up trusting him? Can God make a mistake?

For many are called but few are chosen, because we are all called by the Lord, but not all will accept that calling and walk as they are called to do. They will reject Him and His words making themselves a disobedient son, who the Lord says in Luke 12:46 He will appoint them a place with the unbelievers.
Those who come to Him, hear what He says and does it He will never loose because they will continue in their faith of love and obedience to Him (Luke 6:46-49). You say people who do have faith do trust got, but yet that is not true as I have seen many who say they have faith in Him but continue to deny His teachings/commands. They have a profession of faith, but their actions show different to they only have mere belief. They are more of the crowd mentioned in Titus 1:16, that are lead falsely in a mere belief gospel that does not save because they believe they can continue to serve both Him and the world (flesh).

You have no desire to place your trust in Christ do you? You so want your good deeds to be accounted for your salvation. I will never understand it.

The law says your dead, condemned, for one sin, You will never be good enough to get to heaven, You are already sinful enough to not deserve heaven, and will never be more undeserving, no matter what you do. God knew every sin you would ever commit the moment he breathed life into your mortal body. You eternity was based on that knowledge.

God is outside of time, not inside it. I pray you repent soon. and see the true underserving Love God has to offer you.

 

[dcontroversal]

It says in the word that gd foreknew the elect. Calling and election are not the same.

Why do you deny the omniscience of God. God chose based on who he knew would trust him and who would not.. Do you think God thought someone was going to have faith in him, and the person did not end up trusting him? Can God make a mistake?



You have no desire to place your trust in Christ do you? You so want your good deeds to be accounted for your salvation. I will never understand it.

The law says your dead, condemned, for one sin, You will never be good enough to get to heaven, You are already sinful enough to not deserve heaven, and will never be more undeserving, no matter what you do. God knew every sin you would ever commit the moment he breathed life into your mortal body. You eternity was based on that knowledge.

God is outside of time, not inside it. I pray you repent soon. and see the true underserving Love God has to offer you.

It all comes down to scriptures out of context, words that are misapplied and thinking every time the word salvation is used that it means soul salvation.....while failing to understand that our salvation and justification stands squarely on the PERFECT FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST...!

 

[kennethcadwell]

It says in the word that gd foreknew the elect. Calling and election are not the same.

Why do you deny the omniscience of God. God chose based on who he knew would trust him and who would not.. Do you think God thought someone was going to have faith in him, and the person did not end up trusting him? Can God make a mistake?



You have no desire to place your trust in Christ do you? You so want your good deeds to be accounted for your salvation. I will never understand it.

The law says your dead, condemned, for one sin, You will never be good enough to get to heaven, You are already sinful enough to not deserve heaven, and will never be more undeserving, no matter what you do. God knew every sin you would ever commit the moment he breathed life into your mortal body. You eternity was based on that knowledge.

God is outside of time, not inside it. I pray you repent soon. and see the true underserving Love God has to offer you.

It all comes down to scriptures out of context, words that are misapplied and thinking every time the word salvation is used that it means soul salvation.....while failing to understand that our salvation and justification stands squarely on the PERFECT FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST...!

First the Lord Jesus ministry was about preparing for the kingdom of heaven and salvation there, as He said more than once do not worry, care for, or want the things of this world. So to say every time He is speaking of salvation it is not always about eternal life/spiritual salvation is false. If what you two say is the case then you are saying the Lord failed at His promise of Matthew 10:22 to His Apostles/disciples of saving them through issues they would face in spreading His word; They all were killed but one, John who was exiled.
Second I do place my trust in the Lord which is why I will defend His word, which is why I will not let others take away from it. I have gained patience thanks be to God through His Holy Spirit in dealing with people who want to twist, do away with, and believe they can live carnally and still end up with salvation.
Nowhere in the bible does it say mere faith alone saves, unless you misuse Ephesians 2:8. For that scripture shows we do not earn salvation by works, but it still does not discount them as being part of a believers life.

A person is not automatically forgiven before they believe, repent of their sins, and get baptized. If you believe that then you have all people saved and going to heaven. No a person will never be good enough, but that does not mean because of that to deny scripture on what it tells you to do and continue to sin anyway.



Hebrews 6:10
For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.

 

[Patnubay]

This topic never bore me out. Elin and Seabass made it even educative and entertaining thru their decency and professionalism during the exchange of ideas and belief.

 

[kennethcadwell]

This topic never bore me out. Elin and Seabass made it even educative and entertaining thru their decency and professionalism during the exchange of ideas and belief.

Yes it is always refreshing when different members in Christ can debate different points of view without resorting to name calling, hatred, and other childish behavior toward the others that do not agree with them. This is how we should all be toward each other as Paul and James clearly taught.

 

[Elin]

This topic never bore me out. Elin and Seabass made it even educative and entertaining thru their decency and professionalism during the exchange of ideas and belief.

That is refreshing. . .thanks.

 

[forsha]

Lord Jesus did die for sins once and for all, but that does not mean everybody is automatically forgiven at that point.

We still have to accept what He did for us on the cross, by faith in trusting what He said when we hear the word. Repenting of past and present sins at the time of acceptance, and then confession of future sins when we commit them to be cleansed of all our unrighteousness. We can not just take and cast away Romans 3:25, and 2 Peter 1:9 that both say only past sins have received remission, and 1 John 1:9,2:1-2 that shows future sins still need to be confessed to receive remission.

Christ died for the sins (all of them, past, present, future) of all those that God gave him to die for, and his offer was for God's acceptance, not man's acceptance. Psalms 103:12, As far as the east is from the west, so far hath removed our transgressions from us. Jesus died only for those that his Father gave him, and Jesus said that he will not lose even one of them, but would raise them up at the last day, does not that sound like he washed all of our sins (past, present and future) away and made us as white as snow? Those that he died for, do, still yield themselves to the lust of the world and separate themselves from their fellowship with God, not from their eternal salvation. When they repent of that sin and God forgives them there is a salvation (deliverance) that takes place. The salvation scriptures will never harmonize unless you separate the timely deliverances (salvations) from the salvation that is eternal. Most of the salvation scriptures are referring to timely salvations. The inspired word of God was not written to the carnal man telling him how to save himself eternally, but it was written to those that he gave to Jesus to save, telling them how they are supposed to live their lives while they are living on earth.

 

[michael56]

Christ died for the sins (all of them, past, present, future) of all those that God gave him to die for, and his offer was for God's acceptance, not man's acceptance. Psalms 103:12, As far as the east is from the west, so far hath removed our transgressions from us. Jesus died only for those that his Father gave him, and Jesus said that he will not lose even one of them, but would raise them up at the last day, does not that sound like he washed all of our sins (past, present and future) away and made us as white as snow? Those that he died for, do, still yield themselves to the lust of the world and separate themselves from their fellowship with God, not from their eternal salvation. When they repent of that sin and God forgives them there is a salvation (deliverance) that takes place. The salvation scriptures will never harmonize unless you separate the timely deliverances (salvations) from the salvation that is eternal. Most of the salvation scriptures are referring to timely salvations. The inspired word of God was not written to the carnal man telling him how to save himself eternally, but it was written to those that he gave to Jesus to save, telling them how they are supposed to live their lives while they are living on earth.

Wonderful post. All I could add is, that for the truly born again Christian who is eternally safe, when they do err, they pay by bringing great misery upon themselves until they repent of their folly, look to their Saviour and follow the leading of the Holy Spirit. It can be no other way for the law is an internal law for them. And they can have no rest, no peace until the bow the knee and follow after their Saviour once more

 

[forsha]

It says in the word that gd foreknew the elect. Calling and election are not the same.

Why do you deny the omniscience of God. God chose based on who he knew would trust him and who would not.. Do you think God thought someone was going to have faith in him, and the person did not end up trusting him? Can God make a mistake?



You have no desire to place your trust in Christ do you? You so want your good deeds to be accounted for your salvation. I will never understand it.

The law says your dead, condemned, for one sin, You will never be good enough to get to heaven, You are already sinful enough to not deserve heaven, and will never be more undeserving, no matter what you do. God knew every sin you would ever commit the moment he breathed life into your mortal body. You eternity was based on that knowledge.

God is outside of time, not inside it. I pray you repent soon. and see the true underserving Love God has to offer you.

If God, by his foreknowledge, looked down on the children of men to see the ones that would believe in him, then that would be eternal salvation by good works, and not by God's grace. Ps 14:2 says that the LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy, there is none that doeth good, no, not one. If God had not put his Holy Spirit within those that he chose we would all go to hell.

 

[forsha]

We are predestined to come to Christ, but not all will come to Him. For many are called but few are chosen, because we are all called by the Lord, but not all will accept that calling and walk as they are called to do. They will reject Him and His words making themselves a disobedient son, who the Lord says in Luke 12:46 He will appoint them a place with the unbelievers.
Those who come to Him, hear what He says and does it He will never loose because they will continue in their faith of love and obedience to Him (Luke 6:46-49). You say people who do have faith do trust got, but yet that is not true as I have seen many who say they have faith in Him but continue to deny His teachings/commands. They have a profession of faith, but their actions show different to they only have mere belief. They are more of the crowd mentioned in Titus 1:16, that are lead falsely in a mere belief gospel that does not save because they believe they can continue to serve both Him and the world (flesh).

Predestined means that God pre determined. Dan 4:35, And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth, and none CAN STAY HIS HAND, or say unto him, What doest thou? Matt 22:12-13, And he said unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment (Jesus is the husband of the church and the wedding garment is the truth, those without the wedding garment are children of God, but are believing in false doctrines. Matt 7:13-14 is telling the same thing, Enter ye in at the strait gate; for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, (not eternal life) but that good life that God has made available for those that obey him which includes entrance into his church as his bride. And few there be that find it, so if you are looking for the church that Jesus set up, don't look for the mega churchs.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Christ died for the sins (all of them, past, present, future) of all those that God gave him to die for, and his offer was for God's acceptance, not man's acceptance. Psalms 103:12, As far as the east is from the west, so far hath removed our transgressions from us. Jesus died only for those that his Father gave him, and Jesus said that he will not lose even one of them, but would raise them up at the last day, does not that sound like he washed all of our sins (past, present and future) away and made us as white as snow? Those that he died for, do, still yield themselves to the lust of the world and separate themselves from their fellowship with God, not from their eternal salvation. When they repent of that sin and God forgives them there is a salvation (deliverance) that takes place. The salvation scriptures will never harmonize unless you separate the timely deliverances (salvations) from the salvation that is eternal. Most of the salvation scriptures are referring to timely salvations. The inspired word of God was not written to the carnal man telling him how to save himself eternally, but it was written to those that he gave to Jesus to save, telling them how they are supposed to live their lives while they are living on earth.

Lord Jesus did die for all sins past, present, and future that a person will commit.
However like I previously posted using scriptural evidence in order for the believer to receive that remission of sins through the Lord is to first after one receives faith from hearing the word (Romans 10:17), is to repent and be baptized to receive that remission of past and present sins at that time (Acts 2:38, Romans 3:25, 2 Peter 1:9). And then confess future sins when they mess up, back slide, sin again (1 John 1:9, 2:1-2). I know people want to do away with these scriptures and put eternal life before they even repent or live out God's will in their life, but they can not because that is not what scripture says (Luke 13:3, Matthew 7:21).

Predestined means that God pre determined. Dan 4:35, And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth, and none CAN STAY HIS HAND, or say unto him, What doest thou? Matt 22:12-13, And he said unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment (Jesus is the husband of the church and the wedding garment is the truth, those without the wedding garment are children of God, but are believing in false doctrines. Matt 7:13-14 is telling the same thing, Enter ye in at the strait gate; for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, (not eternal life) but that good life that God has made available for those that obey him which includes entrance into his church as his bride. And few there be that find it, so if you are looking for the church that Jesus set up, don't look for the mega churchs.

Matthew 7:13-14 is very much speaking of eternal life.
It is stating the only way to eternal life is through the Lord Jesus, because by no other name can a man receive eternal life. By only accepting Him as your Lord and following His teachings, and commands do you show to be a born again believer.

Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

 

[forsha]

Wonderful post. All I could add is, that for the truly born again Christian who is eternally safe, when they do err, they pay by bringing great misery upon themselves until they repent of their folly, look to their Saviour and follow the leading of the Holy Spirit. It can be no other way for the law is an internal law for them. And they can have no rest, no peace until the bow the knee and follow after their Saviour once more

This is true!

 

[forsha]

Lord Jesus did die for all sins past, present, and future that a person will commit.
However like I previously posted using scriptural evidence in order for the believer to receive that remission of sins through the Lord is to first after one receives faith from hearing the word (Romans 10:17), is to repent and be baptized to receive that remission of past and present sins at that time (Acts 2:38, Romans 3:25, 2 Peter 1:9). And then confess future sins when they mess up, back slide, sin again (1 John 1:9, 2:1-2). I know people want to do away with these scriptures and put eternal life before they even repent or live out God's will in their life, but they can not because that is not what scripture says (Luke 13:3, Matthew 7:21).







Matthew 7:13-14 is very much speaking of eternal life.
It is stating the only way to eternal life is through the Lord Jesus, because by no other name can a man receive eternal life. By only accepting Him as your Lord and following His teachings, and commands do you show to be a born again believer.

Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Rom 10:17, The carnal man can not discern anything that is of a spiritual nature, 1 Cor 2:14. My sheep hear my voice, you do not hear, because you are not of my sheep. To keep verse 17 in context we have to go back to see who Paul is speaking to which are those that Paul bear record that they have a zeal (devotion) of God. The carnal man is not devoted to God, 1 Cor 2:14. Acts 2:38, these men, when they heard (already of his sheep or they could not have heard) The carnal man can not understand spiritual things until they have been born of the Spirit. These men were "Pricked" in their heart. Their heart could not have been pricked unless they already had the stony heart taken out and now have a fleshy heart, Eze 11:19. Rom 3:25, The faith in this verse is Christ's faith, not man's. 2 Pet 1:9, The sins that are committed by those that Jesus died for separates them their fellowship with God, but not their eternal life. If you think these people are lost eternally, then you, yourself, have forgotten that you were purged from your sins, because all those he purged he will not lose any of them, but raise them up at the last day. 1 John 1:9, Just as I have told you before, in the explanation of 2 Pet 1:9. 1 John 2:2, same "world" (pertaining to believers only) as in John 3:16. Luke 13:3 perish from your fellowship with God until you repent, not from eternal life. Matt 7:21, The church that Jesus set up is called by several names in the scriptures, such as, the church of Christ, the few, the remnant, the new Jerusalem, the church of God, the kingdom of God, the church of the first born, the kingdom of heaven, etc. Matt 7:13-14, If you think that it is talking about eternal life, then you are limiting those that go to heaven are but a few. I know that you have that belief of only a few, because I was once a member, myself, of the coc. Gen 32:12, The promise is through Abraham, I will surely do thee good, and make thy seed as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude. Acts 4:12, I don't know why you used this verse, Jesus absolutely saved eternally those that his Father gave to him.