and here is the security of the believer...
Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;...
2 Corinthians 10:4-6King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP](For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience,
when your obedience is fulfilled.
if you consider trust to be the the same as obedience and not the act of obedience itself as obedience then we have s problem
Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
and through the Spirit we bring the body/flesh under subjection.. so while you are in this flesh you obey/follow the Spirit....if you do you will not sin....the Spirit will not lead you to sin...so it is evident that when a man sins he is definitely not following the Spirit...
Galatians 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
1 Peter 4:1-3King James Version (KJV)
4 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
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That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
of course you do not teach that....but by your teaching you have removed the penalty from sin...and made it possible for one to abide in Christ with sin....James is clear men are tempted after he is drawn away...a man cannot sin in Christ...
James 1:13-15King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But every man is tempted,
when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
so based on the preceding...if you sin it means you are outside Christ and if you do not confess and be forgiven of your sins .....when sin is finished it brings death....if one should die in that position of sin...can they still be saved in Christ??....if they can then we are free to sin because we will be saved anyway...
of course the scripture say that....but the scripture also says ..
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
what you are saying is God does not do a good job of cleansing....I believe God does a better job of cleansing than I do of sinning...
Romans 5:20
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
I guess I would feel the same way too....but a little leaven does leaven the whole lump....