Tired of the Big LIE

[JesusistheChrist]

I was being quite serious.

That's what I was afraid of.

 

[dcontroversal]

*Is it every Sunday, Satan comes around to prowl, and howl and start divisions, I've noticed, how do you know these people are really born again. AVoid some of this evil communications. IT is not edifying. REcently I've been attacked verbally by someone who talked to me with his side turned most of the time, exposing his gun, which was legal. But I didn't see him as a man, what I saw was someone scared hiding behind a piece of metal, so are some folk, hiding behind a keyboard, coming here not in love, but in a childish behavior, forgive them, if they don't get banned, I hope they grow up, and say some*edifying*things here for all of us to learn, there are those who are bullies, forgive them. Some just don't care, I as a women, was verbally attacked by a man with a gun, standing and talking in a threatening way, trying to cover up. So the plaque is coming , after that experience, the HOly Spirit showed me, that, things are getting from bad to worse, like the bible says, beating up people with words, just like the good samaritan was beaten so bad, for helping a *guy his age, on the mailon line the other day, he had to have*platinum*plates in his face, from the bipolar guy, who did that just to take a selfie, of it, sick, yes, people are sick, and getting sicker.*

I agree.....I hold nothing against anybody and yes we all have the ability to get a little mouthy at times....the way I look at it is simple...he can believe what he wants to believe and I have the right to believe what I want to believe.......at the end of the day we will see who is right and who is wrong....eternity is the prize.......! And I suppose at the end of the day the way to win people is not by the excessive name calling....it is one thing to disagree like LYNX did and another thing to repeatedly call some one an idiot....what ever.....the end comes soon and then it will be obvious......!

 

[tourist]

That's what I was afraid of.

I don't believe that it is a good thing to call people names. There has been quite a bit of that going on in this thread. She is a sweet person and it is distressing for her to see all of this fighting. It should distress all of us. I have been guilty of this as well and for those times that I have offended anyone I am truly sorry.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Don't lie about me, okay?

I've NEVER once in my life referred to anyone as a "heretic" for disagreeing with me.

Just look to this thread as an example of the same.

Dc makes a comment about how he is "once for all sanctified" and then I cite him the verse which he alluded to IN ITS ACTUAL CONTEXT and he completely shuts his eyes and hardens his heart to THE FACT that the same was immediately succeeded by FEARFUL WARNINGS and he continues to teach contrary to the Word of God.

That's "heresy", friend...whether or not you ever choose to acknowledge the same.

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Re: Who is Babylon the Great Harlot?[/h]

Originally Posted by kennethcadwell
And that is not your call to make when it comes to biblical prophecy teaching, as I can say the same back to you as I have mentioned in the past.



It most certainly is my place and I've already documented several of your heresies even though you stubbornly refuse to repent of the same. If I'm not mistaken, then, just a few days ago, I read a post of yours in which you stated that you wanted to be a prophecy teacher, but God forbade the same. Having suffered through several of your heretical posts in relation to Biblical prophecy, I can see that God knew what He was doing as He always does.

Originally Posted by kennethcadwell
To call Jerusalem Babylon is a way of cursing them, and the bible clearly says to curse them you will be cursed. We are to bless Israel, and not curse them......



This is the second time that I'm asking you to cite where the Bible allegedly "clearly says" that. Oh, I know what you're referring to, but you've got that all wrong, too. Go ahead and post your citation. What are you afraid of? Btw, was John the Baptist "cursed" when he said the following:

Matthew chapter 3

[7] But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them,O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
[8] Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
[9] And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

???

What about Jesus Christ?

Was He "cursed" when He uttered the following:

John chapter 8

[37] I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
[38] I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
[39] They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
[40] But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
[41] Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
[42] Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
[43] Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
[44] Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
[45] And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
[46] Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
[47] He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
[48] Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
[49] Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
[50] And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.
[51] Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
[52] Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
[53] Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
[54] Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
[55] Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
[56] Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
[57] Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
[58] Jesus said unto them, Verily,verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
[59] Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

???

Apparently, you have no idea whatsoever who Abraham's "seed" is or who "the Israel of God" is. Pity.

Originally Posted by kennethcadwell
You can not have a place that the bible says is destroyed by the anitchrist, in place of an area that the bible says the antichrist will never prevail against and destroy. The Lord comes back before that happens.



Better still, you cannot hear the truth, even though it's been explained to you. Again, MYSTERYBABYLON "falls" in the same manner in which the original Babylon "fell"...whether you like it or not. You really should learn how to read the Bible as you're not being led by the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth.​

Try again as this is just one of them where you called me or another teaching heresies and calling one a heretic.......

 

[JesusistheChrist]

I don't believe that it is a good thing to call people names. There has been quite a bit of that going on in this thread. She is a sweet person and it is distressing for her to see all of this fighting. It should distress all of us. I have been guilty of this as well and for those times that I have offended anyone I am truly sorry.

So, sweet people come bursting onto the scene and accuse homeschooling fathers of calling their children "idiots" and make threats about reporting the same for their own delusions?

Not in my book and, contrary to my normal protocol (IOW, I don't normally report anybody), I just reported her for the same.

Anyhow, let's stick to the topic at hand.

Thanks.

 

[kennethcadwell]

I agree.....I hold nothing against anybody and yes we all have the ability to get a little mouthy at times....the way I look at it is simple...he can believe what he wants to believe and I have the right to believe what I want to believe.......at the end of the day we will see who is right and who is wrong....eternity is the prize.......! And I suppose at the end of the day the way to win people is not by the excessive name calling....it is one thing to disagree like LYNX did and another thing to repeatedly call some one an idiot....what ever.....the end comes soon and then it will be obvious......!

Look you are my brother in Christ, but to say you don't hold anything against another is not true because you constantly keep stating to me to keep trusting in my works. When I have told you more then once I do not base salvation on works, and you have misstated that on me more than once. There is a difference in earning salvation with works, which is false teaching, and doing works out of love that accompany salvation. Those are the works that James says if they do not follow your faith, your faith is dead and you are not headed to eternal life. And works of love and works of the Spirit are one and the same, which includes repentance, confession, forgiveness, baptism, and helping others in need.

 

[jkalyna]

I agree.....I hold nothing against anybody and yes we all have the ability to get a little mouthy at times....the way I look at it is simple...he can believe what he wants to believe and I have the right to believe what I want to believe.......at the end of the day we will see who is right and who is wrong....eternity is the prize.......! And I suppose at the end of the day the way to win people is not by the excessive name calling....it is one thing to disagree like LYNX did and another thing to repeatedly call some one an idiot....what ever.....the end comes soon and then it will be obvious......!

*It looks dark out of my window, the bible says, be angry and sin not, meaning, make up, if is impossible that offenses don't come and yeah were all human, but carrying on and on and then tomorrow, it is then giving place to the devil, this is not what Christ wants. No problem, I'll mind my own business, but yes Tourist is right, discussions, yeah, but belittling others is not*scriptural,*scriptural*is "to build one another up," not to tear one another down, oh, am I too soft, Jesus was even more softer hearted, *get the*towels*out guys and buckets, wash one another's feet, and I'll get the clothes pins, for the nose. Have a good nite. *

 

[JesusistheChrist]

Re: Who is Babylon the Great Harlot?

Originally Posted by kennethcadwell
And that is not your call to make when it comes to biblical prophecy teaching, as I can say the same back to you as I have mentioned in the past.



It most certainly is my place and I've already documented several of your heresies even though you stubbornly refuse to repent of the same. If I'm not mistaken, then, just a few days ago, I read a post of yours in which you stated that you wanted to be a prophecy teacher, but God forbade the same. Having suffered through several of your heretical posts in relation to Biblical prophecy, I can see that God knew what He was doing as He always does.

Originally Posted by kennethcadwell
To call Jerusalem Babylon is a way of cursing them, and the bible clearly says to curse them you will be cursed. We are to bless Israel, and not curse them......



This is the second time that I'm asking you to cite where the Bible allegedly "clearly says" that. Oh, I know what you're referring to, but you've got that all wrong, too. Go ahead and post your citation. What are you afraid of? Btw, was John the Baptist "cursed" when he said the following:

Matthew chapter 3

[7] But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them,O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
[8] Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
[9] And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

???

What about Jesus Christ?

Was He "cursed" when He uttered the following:

John chapter 8

[37] I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
[38] I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
[39] They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
[40] But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
[41] Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
[42] Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
[43] Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
[44] Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
[45] And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
[46] Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
[47] He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
[48] Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
[49] Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
[50] And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.
[51] Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
[52] Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
[53] Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
[54] Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
[55] Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
[56] Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
[57] Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
[58] Jesus said unto them, Verily,verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
[59] Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

???

Apparently, you have no idea whatsoever who Abraham's "seed" is or who "the Israel of God" is. Pity.

Originally Posted by kennethcadwell
You can not have a place that the bible says is destroyed by the anitchrist, in place of an area that the bible says the antichrist will never prevail against and destroy. The Lord comes back before that happens.



Better still, you cannot hear the truth, even though it's been explained to you. Again, MYSTERYBABYLON "falls" in the same manner in which the original Babylon "fell"...whether you like it or not. You really should learn how to read the Bible as you're not being led by the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth.​

Try again as this is just one of them where you called me or another teaching heresies and calling one a heretic.......

Try what again?

All that you managed to do is to prove my point.

What is it about "I'VE ALREADY DOCUMENTED several of your heresies" that you don't understand?

How did I "document" the same?

With my own opinion or with scripture?

Anyhow, like I said, stop lying about me.

Thanks.

 

[Ella85]

That's what I was afraid of.

grow up............

 

[kennethcadwell]

I don't believe that it is a good thing to call people names. There has been quite a bit of that going on in this thread. She is a sweet person and it is distressing for her to see all of this fighting. It should distress all of us. I have been guilty of this as well and for those times that I have offended anyone I am truly sorry.

Exactly and the bible expressly speaks against being that way toward our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.
Yet some want to misuse how Jesus talked to the corrupted, word twisting, and self righteous Pharisees on how they handle others. Instead of listen to Jesus when He tells us to not talk to others that way.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

grow up............

Take your own advice.

The topic of this tread is "Tired of the Big LIE".

Would anybody like to actually discuss the same?

 

[Utah]

There is no truth to eternal security.

Eternal security says salvations is UNCONDITIONAL, that is, a Christian cannot lose salvation under ANY circumstance.

Therefore if salvation is UNCONDITIONAL then a Christian can go and sin unconditionally all the time and never lose his salvation (license to sin). Just as in an earlier post of mine where Baptists preachers argued a Christian could lie, murder commit adultery and never lose his salvation.

SeaBass (great name by the way) I don't think I have ever met someone who claimed to be Christian and felt they were at liberty to sin unconditionally. I'm guessing such people exist, and do so abundantly. Ken mentioned congregations that preached it. God forbid!

I'm all about sharing God's grace with people as often as possible and as often as necessary, but I must ask, are such people truly Christian at heart? Seriously, where's the Holy Spirit in such people? This is not the heart and mind of a person who has been washed by the blood of Christ and guided by the power and presence of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Ella85]

Take your own advice.

The topic of this tread is "Tired of the Big LIE".

Would anybody like to actually discuss the same?

Not with you.

 

[tourist]

.

You are 100% right.

I agree also. Jesus did not die for some of our sins - He died for all of them. Those that do not understand this from a biblical perspective live their lives in fear. This freedom from fear does not give one a license to sin. For those times that we stumble the Lord is faithful and merciful to forgive us of these trespasses. Freedom from fear gives you freedom to humbly serve the Lord without constantly looking over your shoulder. It is most refreshing to have life and to have it more abundantly, 100%.

 

[dcontroversal]

Look you are my brother in Christ, but to say you don't hold anything against another is not true because you constantly keep stating to me to keep trusting in my works. When I have told you more then once I do not base salvation on works, and you have misstated that on me more than once. There is a difference in earning salvation with works, which is false teaching, and doing works out of love that accompany salvation. Those are the works that James says if they do not follow your faith, your faith is dead and you are not headed to eternal life. And works of love and works of the Spirit are one and the same, which includes repentance, confession, forgiveness, baptism, and helping others in need.

Do you teach you can lose salvation....YES
What must be done to gain it back...?
What must you do to keep it...?
What must you do to earn it back...?

Not holding anything against anybody means if you wrong me, call me names, do something to me I will not hold it against you....at the end of the day, no matter how you slice it and dice it you r salvation is based upon what YOU DO if you believe you can LOSE it....

Galatians 2:16-21 states clearly that my salvation and justification is based upon the FAITH OF JESUS....

Is the faith of JESUS perfect? YES
Is the faith of Jesus ETERNAL? YES
Does the faith of JESUS ever fail? NO
Is the FAITH of JESUS acceptable unto the FATHER? YES
Does the faith of JESUS meet the Father's expectations? YES

I am SAVED by the PERFECT FAITH of JESUS....I am JUSTIFIED by the perfect faith of JESUS

To say you can lose salvation is to deny the above concerning the faith of JESUS.....

That is my view, it cannot be changed, will not be changed and is in accordance with the BIBLE!

 

[jkalyna]

Not with you.

The bible says, avoid all appearances of evil, your not born again, and I know it, you don't have the kind of heart Jesus would have, you neither would apologize nor forgive, but are a weed, here, and I pray they get rid of you.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Try what again?

All that you managed to do is to prove my point.

What is it about "I'VE ALREADY DOCUMENTED several of your heresies" that you don't understand?

How did I "document" the same?

With my own opinion or with scripture?

Anyhow, like I said, stop lying about me.

Thanks.

The fact that you said I was lying about you when I said you called others heretics and teaching heresies.
I just proved by pasting one of your posts from the who is Babylon thread where you did just that, and calling one teaching heresies when they are just given their opinion on what a prophecy may refer to is not being heretical. Which is why I said you were falsely calling others heretics, and now you are calling another a heretic.
Maybe you should pray to God to have the Holy Spirit help you in being more loving, uplifting, and more edifying in your approach.

 

[jkalyna]

The bible says, avoid all appearances of evil, your not born again, and I know it, you don't have the kind of heart Jesus would have, you neither would apologize nor forgive, but are a weed, here, and I pray they get rid of you.

*Sorry not addressed to you but the name caller, I put the blood of Jesus over this site, and against your evil influence here.

 

[ThomistColin]

Do you teach you can lose salvation....YES
What must be done to gain it back...?
What must you do to keep it...?
What must you do to earn it back...?

1. Same as always. Ask forgiveness, truly repent, and seek God's mercy.
2. Same as always. Seek God in all things, trusting that the stumblings will be forgiven, and that He will be there even if we turn away.
3. Nothing...there is no earning of our faith. There is no merit outside of Christ.

For me, the loss of salvation does not come with stumblings. It comes when a person, through their own will, turns away from God knowingly. Not in the committing of a single sin, but in the committing of rejecting God's Way, Truth, and Life. By denouncing Jesus. By saying you don't want to do what He wants, but what you want. (You not meaning you, but in the hypothetical). God will not kidnap a person into Heaven. If they reject Him, He will lovingly allow them to go, but He will never leave their side, calling them home at every turn. Screaming into their souls, "Come home!" But some...don't listen. They've rejected God and rejected their place at the table of the Lamb's Supper. We can pray for them, hope for them, and love them. But if they die in that rejection, God will not catch them up and take them into Heaven against their will. Instead, they will realize with the intense reality that comes with death, that they chose against God.

 

[jkalyna]

Take your own advice.

The topic of this tread is "Tired of the Big LIE".

Would anybody like to actually discuss the same?

What do you think this is some kind of bar, and you brawl, and bash women, and don't apologize, your not a brother, here in Christ. Talking without love is saying what Corinthians says, YOU ARE NOTHING. And YOu are just that empty words, you've shown no love here at all, go ahead, spew your poisons, rebuke a wise man and he will love you, rebuke a fool and he will hate you, you are just that, showing hatred.