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kaylagrl

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When she said that they argue all the time, I thought of my son's gf and how she yells at him all the time. He is just reacting to her because she is so verbally abusive and controlling. If she doesn't get her way she wakes him when he's sleeping and yells at him, then when he falls asleep again she does it again, and again, and again. He doesn't get enough sleep and works a very hard labor job, and it is vital that he is alert. I told her to notice that he never argues with me or his sister because we speak calmly to him. I know that my advice would help her if she took it. And she has, but as soon as things get better she goes back to not controlling her tongue.

No matter what, she said THEY always argue. I've never seen anyone argue with their self, therefore she is PART of the problem, and that as far as it depends on her she should be innocent. All these people who are just telling her what she wants to hear is not going to solve anything. If both of them took my advice there would not be a problem. People go straight to divorce and that sickens me.

In the situation with your son Im sure you are right.Young lovers tend to fight for no reason and make up like puppy dogs.I'm not one to give advice just to make one feel good.I read what ChattyCathy said.They have a communication problem.He will not share his life with her no matter how she tries.She gave examples of how she's tried to draw him out and communicate with him but he's a closed book.You cannot stay married without communication.End of story.She argues out of frustration for knowing what to do.Her situation is not the same as you son's situation.And your son had better find another young lady who is not abusive.He'll rue the day he married that spoiled little lady!

One of the main issues we have here is men,from childhood,are taught not to communicate,not to have feelings.They fall down playing sports and start to cry and dad says" Come on son,shake it off.Be a man!" He gets his feeling hurt and come to mom and she says "big boys dont cry!" They grow up and go to work and if there is any weakness or hesitation the other men say "what,you not man enough"?! Then we tell them to get married and have a family.We add the pressure of a wife,kids and house with bills.He comes home after a hard day at work,clearly feeling down.Wife says,"how was your day babe?" "Fine" "You seem upset,whats wrong?" "Nothing,Im fine." "Are you sure?You want to talk about it?" "I said Im fine,now leave me alone!" Wife gets her feelings hurt,she was being loving and caring as she was taught to be. Man goes and sits in front of the tv watching sports to feel like a man again and forget the day.Men dont share feelings,they have to learn to trust a woman enough to do that.I think here is where their problem lies.And the more she tries to open that clam the harder he clamps shut.Thats why I said back away and let him seek you.I'd like to know her husbands background and what his parents are like and their relationship.Still I bet,like most men,he was taught to be strong and silent.He has to unlearn that behavior if he wants to stay married.Hope your son makes a better choice and finds a great girl that supports him.
 
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Hi everyone, my husband and I are both christian, and have been married only 7 months. However, it already feels like we are an "old married couple".. And not in a good way. We constantly argue, sex feels like a chore to me, and there's deadly silence that lasts most of the day unless we're making small chat. I've tried to tell my husband that I need romance, and I need him to ask me how my day is going, and just act like he cares in general, but nothing has happened. I think we've been on one date since we've been married, and it was mostly silence at the table. In public, we put on this great show and everyone thinks we are so in love, but at home, I feel like I am completely alone. He is extremely distant unless I blow up and cry and yell, but that can't be healthy to have to do every time I need some affection. If something he does hurts my feelings and I tell him, he usually just loses his temper, says I'm being crazy, and then we sit in silence until he changes the subject and talks about the weather and pretends nothing ever happened. If I try to resolve things, he just loses his temper again so I've learned to just drop it and suck up any hurt I may have. I feel extremely alone and unappreciated.... The idea that it's already this bad terrifies me. I don't want to live our entire lives like this. I don't know what else to do. I've tried giving him time, I've tried praying, we pray together every night, we go to church, we've even gone to counseling even though he stopped going, and the cycle just never ends....
Do I stay and let the resentment and hurt silently build every day, or do I leave and hope he finds someone who makes him happier?
Hi, chattykathy.

Let me begin by saying that IF your husband was the one who had posted here, then I'd counsel him as to a husband's responsibility before the Lord in relation to his wife. IOW, I'd counsel him to lay down his life for you as Christ laid down His life for the church and I'd also counsel him to nourish and cherish you as he would his own flesh...but your husband is not here, so I'm going to focus my counsel towards you instead.

Here's the deal...

NONE OF US can change anybody but OURSELVES and, even then, only with God's help.

Although your husband obviously has issues/problems, again, you're here and he isn't, so here's what I recommend to you:

I Peter chapter 2

[18] Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.
[19] For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.
[20] For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
[21] For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
[22] Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
[23] Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
[24] Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
[25] For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

I Peter chapter 3

[1] Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
[2] While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
[3] Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
[4] But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
[5] For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
[6] Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.


Although I primarily want to discuss the wife's role (again, because you're here and your husband isn't) in a marriage with you as described in I Peter chapter 3, I did deliberately cite the latter portion of I Peter chapter 2 because chapter 3 begins with the word "likewise". IOW, in chapter 2, Peter had previously addressed certain situations and the proper responses to the same in regard to other relationships and the same pertains to the marital relationship as well or in a "like" ("likewise") manner.

As unpopular a message as it is today, Christians have actually been CALLED TO SUFFER...

"For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:" (I Peter 2:21)

...and such SUFFERING does include the marital relationship at times.

In the case of a master/servant relationship (I Peter 2:18-20), servants are instructed to "endure grief" while "suffering wrongfully" as the same is "acceptable with God" when we endure the same "FOR CONSCIENCE TOWARDS GOD". THIS is the key. IOW, no matter what anybody else does in a relationship, we're still ultimately going to be accountable to God ourselves for our own actions and we therefore ought to always seek to do that which is truly "acceptable with God" and, again, as unpopular a message as it is today (just look at the divorce rate, for example), SUFFERING is "acceptable with God" and we've actually been CALLED UNTO the same. Yes, as Peter explained, CHRIST is ultimately our EXAMPLE and He overcame in the same manner in which the servant who "endured grief" while "suffering wrongfully" overcame in that He "committed Himself to Him that judges righteously" or in that He SUFFERED "FOR CONSCIENCE TOWARDS GOD". IOW, God ultimately is the judge and even when others are mistreating us, we need to LOOK UPWARD, as Jesus did, and get our heavenly Father's assessment of each and every situation and act in a manner which is pleasing in His sight...regardless of what anybody else is doing.

Which brings us to our "likewise"...

Look, as I said, your husband, assuming that your testimony here is true (and I don't doubt it), obviously has some issues/problems, BUT your best bet is to do what is right in God's sight for BOTH your own good and ALSO for your husband's potential benefit. Yes, if you want to be like the "holy women" of old "WHO TRUSTED IN GOD" (it's the same principle of having a "conscience towards God" or of "committing yourself to Him Who judges righteously"), then you're going to need to follow the instructions which Peter laid out for you in his epistle. Yes, you're going to have to be a woman/wife who has a "meek and quiet spirit" who is NOT going to seek to win/change your husband "with the Word", but "WITHOUT the Word" or by your "conversation" (an old English word) or behavior. IOW, you're going to have to set the standard by seeking and serving God yourself and your husband will hopefully take notice of the same and eventually change himself having been convicted by the same.

Like I said, this isn't a popular message nowadays when everybody runs as soon as the heat is turned up just a little, but it is the Word of God nonetheless and you'd (we'd) be wise to take heed to it.

Look, it's bad enough to have your husband turning away from you, but it's far worse if God turns away from you if you try to resolve matters in a manner which is contrary to His Word. Keep your focus on God and continue to look upward. If/when your husband rejects you, then look up to God and get His assessment of the situation. Is He likewise rejecting you? If not, then rest comfortably in His love and just continue to do that which is pleasing in His sight by His enabling grace. If, however, God is as equally against anything that you're doing as your husband is, then repent and set the matter right before both God and your husband. Again, none of us can change anybody but ourselves, but if we do things according to God's Word, then God Himself will work alongside of us and seek to bring the necessary conviction to help to change others.

I hope that this helps.
 
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If you stop talking about problems whenever he gets angry that's probably why he does it. People use anger as a form of manipulation and control. Personally I see that as a bad sign and could get worse. But given what I've seen so far I'll prob get criticized for saying so.
 
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kaylagrl

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If you stop talking about problems whenever he gets angry that's probably why he does it. People use anger as a form of manipulation and control. Personally I see that as a bad sign and could get worse. But given what I've seen so far I'll prob get criticized for saying so.
You have to talk about problems in marriage.How's she suppose to get around his anger and work out problems?
 
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Sirk

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Anger is a result of unprocessed pain.
 

presidente

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Sorry,I disagree.You are surmising too much compared to the story she gave us.She said she has tried to be gentle and speak in the quiet times.Now she's at a level of frustration because that didn't work,now she's yelling.I also disagree that this is not abuse.Clearly the OP is distressed,she feels trapped in a loveless marriage and she can only talk to her husband about the weather! There is a deeper issue and he is alienating her affections.This is 7mons. into the marriage.It isnt going to last going on like this.Just isn't.The deeper issue needs to be unearthed or it will break this marriage.

I don't see what part of my post you are disagreeing with? Are you disagreeing with the fact that scripture does not allow divorce in this case, or that they should clear the air and forgive each other?
 

presidente

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I'm just thinking the OP doesn't give us enough information to know all the problems in the marriage. It could be that she is calm and easy-going and he just has a terrible temper and doesn't try to connect with her. Or it could be that she is verbally abusive but sees her own actions in a positive light, like the example of the girlfriend who wakes a man up all night yelling that one poster gave. We can imagine what the real problem is, based on some problem a couple we know of has. But we can't know, aside from divine revelation or getting more information by natural means, what it is that causes these two not to get along.

But we can tell a wife to do what the Bible teaches, be respectful of her husband, submit to her husband, etc. That will help a lot of marriage problems, and can even lead to a man who does not obey the word to be won.

Whatever the problem is, I suspect they are in a kind of cycle where they way they act hurts or irritates one another. They need to forgive each other to get out of the cycle, and get into a cycle of showing each other love, kindness, and respect. One way out is to be willing to apologize and ask the other partner what you are doing wrong, and hopefully the other partner opens up to some gentle correction.
 
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chattykathy3

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Wow... Well thank you to those of you who brought advice that would be beneficial for both my husband and I. I was glad to see everyone's take and at least feel a little bit understood. He did finally agree to go to counseling today, so thank God for that. I am not the kind of person who just walks away, so I'll continue to do my best to figure out what is going on and how we can improve. Counseling should help with that for both of us I hope.
However, I was very disappointed with the way some of you responded. It was actually pretty judgmental, almost to a point of being cruel. I hope those of you whom I am addressing will consider taking a more kind, gently approach next time you counsel someone who is already in a large amount of emotional pain.
 
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kaylagrl

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I don't see what part of my post you are disagreeing with? Are you disagreeing with the fact that scripture does not allow divorce in this case, or that they should clear the air and forgive each other?

I disagree because their problem is communication.Whether the Bible allows divorce in this case or not that is where it is headed.She cannot keep on the way she is going,and I doubt he is happy either.They need to find out why is cant communicate,something deeper is wrong.Yes they need to forgive but first the need to find the issue.
 
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kaylagrl

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Wow... Well thank you to those of you who brought advice that would be beneficial for both my husband and I. I was glad to see everyone's take and at least feel a little bit understood. He did finally agree to go to counseling today, so thank God for that. I am not the kind of person who just walks away, so I'll continue to do my best to figure out what is going on and how we can improve. Counseling should help with that for both of us I hope.
However, I was very disappointed with the way some of you responded. It was actually pretty judgmental, almost to a point of being cruel. I hope those of you whom I am addressing will consider taking a more kind, gently approach next time you counsel someone who is already in a large amount of emotional pain.
That is wonderful news !!! So happy for you both! I hope you can find the issue quickly and continue on in a happy relationship where both your needs are met. Kudos to you for standing firm,your husband will thank you in the end.He will realize what a great wife he has standing by his side.Update us when you can.Blessings on you both.
 
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Kaycie

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In the situation with your son Im sure you are right.Young lovers tend to fight for no reason and make up like puppy dogs.I'm not one to give advice just to make one feel good.I read what ChattyCathy said.They have a communication problem.He will not share his life with her no matter how she tries.She gave examples of how she's tried to draw him out and communicate with him but he's a closed book.You cannot stay married without communication.End of story.She argues out of frustration for knowing what to do.Her situation is not the same as you son's situation.And your son had better find another young lady who is not abusive.He'll rue the day he married that spoiled little lady!

One of the main issues we have here is men,from childhood,are taught not to communicate,not to have feelings.They fall down playing sports and start to cry and dad says" Come on son,shake it off.Be a man!" He gets his feeling hurt and come to mom and she says "big boys dont cry!" They grow up and go to work and if there is any weakness or hesitation the other men say "what,you not man enough"?! Then we tell them to get married and have a family.We add the pressure of a wife,kids and house with bills.He comes home after a hard day at work,clearly feeling down.Wife says,"how was your day babe?" "Fine" "You seem upset,whats wrong?" "Nothing,Im fine." "Are you sure?You want to talk about it?" "I said Im fine,now leave me alone!" Wife gets her feelings hurt,she was being loving and caring as she was taught to be. Man goes and sits in front of the tv watching sports to feel like a man again and forget the day.Men dont share feelings,they have to learn to trust a woman enough to do that.I think here is where their problem lies.And the more she tries to open that clam the harder he clamps shut.Thats why I said back away and let him seek you.I'd like to know her husbands background and what his parents are like and their relationship.Still I bet,like most men,he was taught to be strong and silent.He has to unlearn that behavior if he wants to stay married.Hope your son makes a better choice and finds a great girl that supports him.
I do agree that communication is important. If he doesnt want to talk about responsible stuff all day every day, I understand that. But he should at least be responsible enough to agree on a time when they can discuss things on a regular basis. That way they can spend some time together without stress. I'm sure, no positive that he has to work on being more innocent on his part. But I won't back down that she does too. I do believe that she genuinely tries in good ways, but there is still no license to try in bad ways. If I truly care and want to give her something that will have a possitive effect, I will tell her to be innocent on her part, Jesus would.

As far as my son, I think the best thing would be for her to change her bad habit, speak lovingly, and marry each other. They do have one child. They were talking casually about getting married and my son jokingly said he's not ready. I had a quick decision to make in my head, I knew if I said it she would get angry, but I decided to plant the seed no matter how she treats me. I told, in the most loving voice that I could conjure up, "I love you, you know you are like my best friend, but I know my son will not marry you until you quit being verbally abusive to him. I only say this because I do want you guys to marry, and I know this is what has to happen before that can happen."

I underestimated the storm that that would cause. That's ok, people can take their anger out on me, it doesn't phase me, I know they're hurting. I had never seen her that angry, and that's saying a lot. Then she curled up on the couch with my son and started to cry. A week later, out of the blue, she said she wanted to quit yelling at him. She went down to the root examining why she yells. She said if she doesn't yell he doesn't do stuff. I told her that's controlling, you can't force people to do stuff. I said listen, if you always do the same thing you'll always get the same result, right? So why not try it for at least a week. She did, and things got much better, but eventually she went back to it.

There are many things that I counseled both of them about, and much progress has been made. She quit smoking. He quit porn. He confided in me about that, and we watched the movie Fireproof and had a long talk, and it worked! It used to be that she would get mad if a good looking girl was on a tv program and made him change it, and he did the same thing if there was a good looking guy. Now they watch tv or movies without complaint. So planting these seeds do work, that's why I thought they would work for her. If anything my intentions were pure.
 
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kaylagrl

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I do agree that communication is important. If he doesnt want to talk about responsible stuff all day every day, I understand that. But he should at least be responsible enough to agree on a time when they can discuss things on a regular basis. That way they can spend some time together without stress. I'm sure, no positive that he has to work on being more innocent on his part. But I won't back down that she does too. I do believe that she genuinely tries in good ways, but there is still no license to try in bad ways. If I truly care and want to give her something that will have a possitive effect, I will tell her to be innocent on her part, Jesus would.

As far as my son, I think the best thing would be for her to change her bad habit, speak lovingly, and marry each other. They do have one child. They were talking casually about getting married and my son jokingly said he's not ready. I had a quick decision to make in my head, I knew if I said it she would get angry, but I decided to plant the seed no matter how she treats me. I told, in the most loving voice that I could conjure up, "I love you, you know you are like my best friend, but I know my son will not marry you until you quit being verbally abusive to him. I only say this because I do want you guys to marry, and I know this is what has to happen before that can happen."

I underestimated the storm that that would cause. That's ok, people can take their anger out on me, it doesn't phase me, I know they're hurting. I had never seen her that angry, and that's saying a lot. Then she curled up on the couch with my son and started to cry. A week later, out of the blue, she said she wanted to quit yelling at him. She went down to the root examining why she yells. She said if she doesn't yell he doesn't do stuff. I told her that's controlling, you can't force people to do stuff. I said listen, if you always do the same thing you'll always get the same result, right? So why not try it for at least a week. She did, and things got much better, but eventually she went back to it.

There are many things that I counseled both of them about, and much progress has been made. She quit smoking. He quit porn. He confided in me about that, and we watched the movie Fireproof and had a long talk, and it worked! It used to be that she would get mad if a good looking girl was on a tv program and made him change it, and he did the same thing if there was a good looking guy. Now they watch tv or movies without complaint. So planting these seeds do work, that's why I thought they would work for her. If anything my intentions were pure.

Im sure your intent was right.ChattyCathy and her husband are getting help so that is wonderful news.As far as your son and his girl she seems very immature.They both must be fairly young.But once you have a child,if you aren't mature its going to cause a lot of anger and stress.A lot of responsibility there.Sounds like yelling is her default when she is frustrated or stressed.Marriage would probably not be a good idea at this time.Like you son said,he isn't ready.He's mature enough to know that.Marriage doesn't make anything better.If you have issues already it makes it worse.And once they get married and are on their own they wont have you to referee for them.I hope they make the right decisions for their childs sake.Maybe some premarital counseling would help? Hope they do find happiness.Blessings on you all!
 
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Kaycie

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Im sure your intent was right.ChattyCathy and her husband are getting help so that is wonderful news.As far as your son and his girl she seems very immature.They both must be fairly young.But once you have a child,if you aren't mature its going to cause a lot of anger and stress.A lot of responsibility there.Sounds like yelling is her default when she is frustrated or stressed.Marriage would probably not be a good idea at this time.Like you son said,he isn't ready.He's mature enough to know that.Marriage doesn't make anything better.If you have issues already it makes it worse.And once they get married and are on their own they wont have you to referee for them.I hope they make the right decisions for their childs sake.Maybe some premarital counseling would help? Hope they do find happiness.Blessings on you all!
God doesn't want them to live in fornication. They are in their twenties, have their own house, and are good parents. When I am over I mind my own business, my son is a full grown man and no longer under my authority. However, when they need a Christian to talk to they come to me for advice. They are not Christians, but they do care about right and wrong. I wasn't able to raise my son, he was kidnapped by his father, so I didnt have much chance to raise him in the way he should go. And her mom didn't spend time at home because she had a secret second family. I identify with their lack of parenting, I wasn't parented at all. But they do ask me about life or the bible.
 
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kaylagrl

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God doesn't want them to live in fornication. They are in their twenties, have their own house, and are good parents. When I am over I mind my own business, my son is a full grown man and no longer under my authority. However, when they need a Christian to talk to they come to me for advice. They are not Christians, but they do care about right and wrong. I wasn't able to raise my son, he was kidnapped by his father, so I didnt have much chance to raise him in the way he should go. And her mom didn't spend time at home because she had a secret second family. I identify with their lack of parenting, I wasn't parented at all. But they do ask me about life or the bible.
Oh Im sorry from your posts I assumed they lived with you.Not God doesn't want them living in sin.But neither does he want them to marry and divorce a year later because they are immature.Christian premarital counseling would be a big help.If they aren't Christians I'd think God is as concerned about that as them living in sin together.It's good that they come to you for advice.Just keep praying and don't get discouraged.God will honor you.
 

presidente

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I told, in the most loving voice that I could conjure up, "I love you, you know you are like my best friend, but I know my son will not marry you until you quit being verbally abusive to him. I only say this because I do want you guys to marry, and I know this is what has to happen before that can happen."

I underestimated the storm that that would cause. That's ok, people can take their anger out on me, it doesn't phase me, I know they're hurting. I had never seen her that angry, and that's saying a lot. Then she curled up on the couch with my son and started to cry. A week later, out of the blue, she said she wanted to quit yelling at him. She went down to the root examining why she yells. She said if she doesn't yell he doesn't do stuff. I told her that's controlling, you can't force people to do stuff. I said listen, if you always do the same thing you'll always get the same result, right? So why not try it for at least a week. She did, and things got much better, but eventually she went back to it.
That took courage of you to call her on her problem. If he does stay with her, he's going to have to know how to deal with her, too. He'll have to confront her on issues and be willing to weather the firestorm without backing down when she gets upset. Hopefully, she'll learn to deal with the anger. Becoming a Christian sure can help with that.

This story reminds me of "He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.", Prov 25:28.