lets talk about gay people!!!

[ForthAngel]

you continue to talk out of both sides of your mouth, state others are putting words into your mouth, when all we have done is questioned what you have said....

Blessings to you

You are welcome to question it. I don't see how I am talking out both sides of my mouth though. Nothing I have said has contradicted anything else I've said, nor has it undermined scripture in any way. What bugs me is when you start calling me false, my faith false, etc. If you think I'm in error, there is another way of going about showing me

And if you can show me, I will be receptive to it, but if you can't, then I will stick with my beliefs as I think they are biblically sound.

You aren't automatically right about everything either so you can't expect to state your opinion and expect me to be like "oh yeah, man was I wrong, geez, I'm sorry".

All I ask is that you show me the same respect that I am trying to show you, even if we are at opposing views.

You did put words in my mouth with the "fear saved" thing. I never said that. You assumed that and ran with it.

I think we both agree that we are saved by faith in Christ and regardless of all the non-essentials, we can at least be on par with that.

 

[ForthAngel]

It's ok to fear God

Exodus
14:31 And when the Israelites saw the great power the Lord displayed against the Egyptians, the people feared the Lord and put their trust in him and in Moses his servant.

Deuteronomy
6:24 The Lord commanded us to obey all these decrees and to fear the Lord our God, so that we might always prosper and be kept alive, as is the case today.

Deuteronomy
9:19 I feared the anger and wrath of the Lord, for he was angry enough with you to destroy you. But again the Lord listened to me.

Joshua
24:14 "Now fear the Lord and serve him with all faithfulness. Throw away the gods your forefathers worshiped beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the Lord.

1 Chronicles
16:25-26 For great is the Lord and most worthy of praise; he is to be feared above all gods. For all the gods of the nations are idols, but the Lord made the heavens.

Job
23:13-15 "But he stands alone, and who can oppose him? He does whatever he pleases. He carries out his decree against me, and many such plans he still has in store. That is why I am terrified before him; when I think of all this, I fear him.

Job
28:28 And he said to man, 'The fear of the Lord--that is wisdom, and to shun evil is understanding.'"

Psalm
2:11 Serve the Lord with fear and rejoice with trembling.

Psalm
25:12-14 Who, then, is the man that fears the Lord? He will instruct him in the way chosen for him. He will spend his days in prosperity, and his descendants will inherit the land. The Lord confides in those who fear him; he makes his covenant known to them.

I could go on and on, but these should be enough to get the point across.

 

[Willie-T]

It's not really worth it, Road Agent. Some people just want comfortable familiarity over truth.

 

[The_highwayman]

It's ok to fear God

Exodus
14:31 And when the Israelites saw the great power the Lord displayed against the Egyptians, the people feared the Lord and put their trust in him and in Moses his servant.

Deuteronomy
6:24 The Lord commanded us to obey all these decrees and to fear the Lord our God, so that we might always prosper and be kept alive, as is the case today.

Deuteronomy
9:19 I feared the anger and wrath of the Lord, for he was angry enough with you to destroy you. But again the Lord listened to me.

Joshua
24:14 "Now fear the Lord and serve him with all faithfulness. Throw away the gods your forefathers worshiped beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the Lord.

1 Chronicles
16:25-26 For great is the Lord and most worthy of praise; he is to be feared above all gods. For all the gods of the nations are idols, but the Lord made the heavens.

Job
23:13-15 "But he stands alone, and who can oppose him? He does whatever he pleases. He carries out his decree against me, and many such plans he still has in store. That is why I am terrified before him; when I think of all this, I fear him.

Job
28:28 And he said to man, 'The fear of the Lord--that is wisdom, and to shun evil is understanding.'"

Psalm
2:11 Serve the Lord with fear and rejoice with trembling.

Psalm
25:12-14 Who, then, is the man that fears the Lord? He will instruct him in the way chosen for him. He will spend his days in prosperity, and his descendants will inherit the land. The Lord confides in those who fear him; he makes his covenant known to them.

I could go on and on, but these should be enough to get the point across.

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I FEAR God as well friend.....

Let me ask you...DO you fear electricity? Does that fear of electricity keep you from being around it? Does the Fear keep you from turning on a light? Or do you have a instinctual understanding that it can be very lethal to you and kill you outright if you are not careful?

I have instinctual understanding about the lethality of electricity and choose to highly respect it, but it does not keep me from working around it, using it or consuming it.

I view my relationship with God the same way. I have deep spiritual awareness of who God is and what he desires and that he holds me in his hand, I also highly respect how he *HAD* to deal with people and SIN outside of the new covenant. That makes me fear him and respect him, but it does not keep me from working unto him, using him or consuming him....

Your living in the Old covenant mind set.

 

[ForthAngel]

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I FEAR God as well friend.....

Let me ask you...DO you fear electricity? Does that fear of electricity keep you from being around it? Does the Fear keep you from turning on a light? Or do you have a instinctual understanding that it can be very lethal to you and kill you outright if you are not careful?

I have instinctual understanding about the lethality of electricity and choose to highly respect it, but it does not keep me from working around it, using it or consuming it.

I view my relationship with God the same way. I have deep spiritual awareness of who God is and what he desires and that he holds me in his hand, I also highly respect how he *HAD* to deal with people and SIN outside of the new covenant. That makes me fear him and respect him, but it does not keep me from working unto him, using him or consuming him....

Your living in the Old covenant mind set.

Same God on both sides of the bible bro. This is not a debate about law, but fear for God. I like most of what you said here though about your own fear of God and what that means to you. I can respect that.

New Testament examples of the same fear:

Luke
12:4-5 "I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.

Luke
23:40 But the other criminal rebuked him. "Don't you fear God," he said, "since you are under the same sentence?

Fear led the thief to repent as he was dying on the cross and Jesus saved Him (by grace through faith) as a result.

Acts
9:31 Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee and Samaria enjoyed a time of peace. It was strengthened; and encouraged by the Holy Spirit, it grew in numbers, living in the fear of the Lord.

Acts
10:34-35 Then Peter began to speak: "I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism but accepts men from every nation who fear him and do what is right.

2 Corinthians
5:11 Since, then, we know what it is to fear the Lord, we try to persuade men. What we are is plain to God, and I hope it is also plain to your conscience.

Ephesians
6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Phillipians
2:12-13 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.

Revelation
14:6-7 Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth--to every nation, tribe, language and people. He said in a loud voice, "Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water."

Revelation
15:4 Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name? For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before you, for your righteous acts have been revealed."

Revelation
19:5 Then a voice came from the throne, saying: "Praise our God, all you his servants, you who fear him, both small and great!"

Same God on both sides man.

 

[ForthAngel]

Ok so I meant to post this last night but I fell asleep:

My bf's cousin recently came out as gay. She said she has a gf and my bf's dad (who is kinda like her adopted dad) said that eventhough he doesn't agree with her, he still loves her. My bf was so so so happy no one broke out yelling and in a way so am I.

I'm happy no one was mean to her but I'm sad that she is living in sin. Is this a godly attitude?

Also prayers for her would be appreciated. Ik this isn't the prayer request forum but hey, two birds with one stone, right?

Thanks!

Sorry for the disruption of your thread. I'm backing out now. I will keep your cousin in mind if I can when I pray.

 

[laura_charlotte]

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/84587-lgbt-rights.html

This was a good discussion about this topic.

 

[Bookends]

They should be excommunicated from the church and handed over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that they might be saved. The best love we can show them is the kind of love Paul teaches the Corinthian Church about the man engaged in sexual immorality. Outside the Church, be ready to pick them up off the ground if and when they reach rock bottom.

 

[Bookends]

They should be excommunicated from the church and handed over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that they might be saved. The best love we can show them is the kind of love Paul teaches the Corinthian Church about the man engaged in sexual immorality. Outside the Church, be ready to pick them up off the ground if and when they reach rock bottom.

PS. I just wanted to clear something up, If the gay person knows homosexuality is a sin and struggles with it, don't excommunication them unless they show an outward gay expression that unappropriate. If the person is openly gay and thinks it's acceptable to God, advocating it, then he/she needs to go.

 

[kennethcadwell]

You have so much yet to learn. The Bible plainly tells us why they had to leave the garden (It's right there in the book, for us to read) They were not "booted out" as punishment, but rather, as the Bible clearly states, to keep them from continuing to eat of the Tree of Life..... so that they would be able to die. This was one of the most loving and merciful things God did for them.

Without death, salvation could not come. They would have had to live forever in an unsaved state.

Not to many know this but do you know that there was actually two trees in the garden.
The first was the tree of knowledge that they ate from that gave them the knowledge to know good and evil.
The second tree that they were cast out of the garden before they ate from it, was the tree of life. If they would have eaten from it they would have been given eternal life.

Notice Genesis 2:17 says the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and by eating from it they will die.
That is because by eating it death and sin entered the world, so then God cast them out so they would not eat from the tree of life also (Genesis 3:22) and become immortal.....

 

[Willie-T]

Not to many know this but do you know that there was actually two trees in the garden.
The first was the tree of knowledge that they ate from that gave them the knowledge to know good and evil.
The second tree that they were cast out of the garden before they ate from it, was the tree of life. If they would have eaten from it they would have been given eternal life.

Notice Genesis 2:17 says the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and by eating from it they will die.
That is because by eating it death and sin entered the world, so then God cast them out so they would not eat from the tree of life also (Genesis 3:22) and become immortal.....

Well, let's not lead people astray by saying they had never eaten from the tree of life, either. We are not told this. All we are told is that they were allowed to eat of any of the trees of the garden, except for one. And that was the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

There are many assumptions and theories attributed to the Tree of Life, but the Bible is silent about any specifics concerning the tree...... except that, somehow, eating the fruit of it would sustain life indefinitely. It is not told if this meant to eat of it once, or to continually have it as a part of their diet. A parallel to Jesus would seem to suggest the continued eating... just as the Bible says to "abide in", or stay connected to, the vine, which is Jesus. BUT we are never told this.

 

[kaylagrl]

I have never stated that you continue in SIN, I have stated that by grace you are saved, not by fear

What fourth angel said...grace and fear

 

[Rudimental]

lets talk about gay people!!!

Hmm lets not!!!

Lets talk about Christ and the good things of the world.

Philippians 4:8 Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

Let us not talk and dwell on gay people since we all know that homosexuality is a sin to God.

Why dwell on another man or womans sin??

Let us simply pray for any brother or sister that is homosexual so they may come to know the truth and be set free from their chains.

Let us talk of all good things, noble things, excellent and pure things. Let us praise God and give Him thanks for all things.

But lets do it in such a way so that homosexuals see it and want to be a part of it.

Lets not dwell on them and their sinfullness as it will produce absolutely zero fruit what-so-ever and will actually end up being counter-productive for you.

You're intentions are good. But your motives are out by a few hundred miles.

 

[tylera1]

So recently God jas been giving me this compassion for gay people. He has been leading me to videos, showing me how gay people can feel hopless and lonley in the church. I wanna start a civil discussion on how we can encourage our gay brothers and sisters.

You are very kind. I'm so glad that there are people who feel the way you do!

 

[Willie-T]

You are very kind. I'm so glad that there are people who feel the way you do!

Amen to that. We already have far too many judgmental people who don't even want them inside "their" churches. It's a good thing Jesus welcomes them into "His."

 

[Rpedregon]

I love gay people.. I use to be one prior to giving my life over to God. Even though I am an "ex-gay" which is not heard of very much I still love the gay community! They have great hearts and are so kind. They are still human nonetheless! God bless them all!