Who was Jesus Praying to in the Bible?

Reborn · Feb 4, 2015

I can respect this brother.......

ForthAngel · Feb 4, 2015

Wrong. Three beings implies 3 gods, not One God in three persons.

Different roles and functions. Different facets of the same God completely separate yet unified. Just like my arm is separate from me, but still part of me. Just like I walk on legs that are their own thing separate from my whole, but still part of me. The way I define the distinctions between Father, Son, and Spirit do not undermine the truth of scripture, nor does it oppose the Trinity doctrine in any way. I do not claim God put on a different mask "in each manifestation". I acknowledge the distinctions between the three parts making the whole Godhead. I do not adhere to oneness theology or modalism.

Jason0047 said:

And now you accuse me of blaspheming due to your own lack of understanding and inability to read what I say fully before responding.

Jason0047 said:

Parts, persons, facets, roles, functions. Same difference. All one God in three separate and distinct roles. Modalism teaches that God stepped down from heaven and was the Son and that God is the Spirit and that he just revealed himself in different forms without making the distinction between them being separate yet unified. I don't adhere to this. I see the distinction in scripture and have attested to that as clearly as I possibly can.

ForthAngel said:

^ this is not modalism.

Jason0047 said:

^ This is again an outrageous accusation based entirely on what you are making up in your own head without reading what I'm saying.

Let me be more clear:

I am not a polytheist.
I am not an adherent of oneness theology.
I am not an adherent of modalism.
I know God is one God.
I know there is a Son.
I know there is a Holy Spirit.
I know there is a Father.
I know all three were present at creation.
I know all three of these compose a Triune Godhead.

I have admitted the very thing you deny me saying more than once on this thread. You're so narrow-sighted and stuck on your own agenda that you can't even take the time to read what I say. Get over yourself and stop preaching at me unless you can do so respectfully by reading what I say. I really couldn't care less if you apologize or not. I'm not offended at all, just annoyed at your inability to read and think things through before latching on to your own preconceived notions of someone and running with it.

VCO · Feb 4, 2015

Jason0047 said:

1 John 5:7-8 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Now before this blows up into yet another KJV ONLY Heated Debate; I already reposted excerpts from the Original 1611 Translation Team where they admitted they were not called to make a new Translation, but rather to make several older good English Translations Better. THAT IS A PARAPHRASE, and not an actual Translation from the original languages. EVERY ACTUAL MODERN dTRANSLATION from the original languages said the KJV paraphrase of 1 John 5:7 was in error, when they researched the oldest available GREEK Language Version. It appears that even while trying to eliminate previous errors in translation, they an missed a big one, just paraphrased the error right on over to the KJV in 1611.

1 John 5:7-8 (ASV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one.

1 John 5:7-8 (RSV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is the truth.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] There are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree.

Here is Young's Literal Translation, that shows you via Italics how many words are NOT IN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE:

1 John 5:7-8 (YLT)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] because three are who are testifying in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these--the three--are one;
[SUP]8 [/SUP] and three are who are testifying in the earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood, and the three are into the one.

because three are who are testifying, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood, and the three are into the one.

THAT IS ALL THAT IS ACTUALLY IN THE GREEK LANGUAGE TEXT! The rest was added by earlier English Translators, that KJV 1611 Team who were only updating the previous English language Translations, missed the ERROR. HENCE Modern Translations corrected the ERROR:

1 John 5:7-8 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For there are three that testify:
[SUP]8 [/SUP] the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

1 John 5:7-8 (ESV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For there are three that testify:
[SUP]8 [/SUP] the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.

1 John 5:7-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For there are three that testify:
[SUP]8 [/SUP] the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and these three are in agreement.

VCO · Feb 4, 2015

MY MISTAKE, THE PROOF THAT THE KJV was a paraphrase and not an actual Translation, I posted on another thread, SO I will repost it here:

What very few English speaking Christians seem to realize is that the Authorized KJV was not even an actual Translation, but rather a Paraphrase, modernizing the language from earlier English Translations and even from the Catholic Latin Translation.

Here is an excerpt from the Original 1611 PREFACE:

1611 KJV - The Translators To The Reader

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Zeale to promote the common good, whether it be by devising any thing our selves, or revising that which hath bene laboured by others, . . .
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But how shall men meditate in that, which they cannot understand? How shall they understand that which is kept close in an unknowen tongue? . . . so lest the Church be driven to the like exigent, it is necessary to have translations in a readinesse. . .
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Yet it seemed good to the holy Ghost and to them, to take that which they found, (the same being for the greatest part true and sufficient) rather then by making a new, in that new world and greene age of the Church, to expose themselves to many exceptions and cavillations, as though they made a Translation to serve their owne turne, and therefore bearing witnesse to themselves, their witnesse not to be regarded. This may be supposed to bee some cause, why the Translation of the Seventie was allowed to passe for currant. . . . he holdeth the Authours thereof not onely for Interpreters, but also for Prophets in some respect: and Justinian the Emperour enjoyning the Jewes his subjects to use specially the Translation of the Seventie, rendreth this reason thereof, because they were as it were enlighted with propheticall grace. . . .
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(and Saint Jerome affirmeth as much) that the Seventie were Interpreters, they were not Prophets; they did many things well, as learned men; but yet as men they stumbled and fell, one while through oversight, another while through ignorance, yea, sometimes they may be noted to adde to the Originall, and sometimes to take from it; which made the Apostles to leave them many times, when they left the Hebrew, and to deliver the sence thereof according to the trueth of the word, as the spirit gave them utterance. This may suffice touching the Greeke Translations of the old Testament. . . .
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There were also within a few hundreth yeeres after CHRIST, translations many into the Latine tongue: for this tongue also was very fit to convey the Law and the Gospel by, because in those times very many Countreys of the West, yea of the South, East and North, spake or understood Latine, being made Provinces to the Romanes. But now the Latine Translations were too many to be all good, . . . Now the Church of Rome . . . Yea, so unwilling they are to communicate the Scriptures to the peoples understanding in any sort, that they are not ashamed to confesse, that wee forced them to translate it into English against their wills. . . .
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And to the same effect say wee, that we are so farre off from condemning any of their labours that traveiled before us in this kinde, either in this land or beyond sea, either in King Henries time, or King Edwards (if there were any translation, or correction of a translation in his time) or Queene Elizabeths of ever-renoumed memorie, that we acknowledge them to have beene raised up of God, for the building and furnishing of his Church, and that they deserve to be had of us and of posteritie in everlasting remembrance. . . .
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Yet for all that, as nothing is begun and perfited at the same time, and the later thoughts are thought to be the wiser: so, if we building upon their foundation that went before us, and being holpen by their labours, doe endevour to make that better which they left so good; no man, we are sure, hath cause to mislike us; they, we persuade our selves, if they were alive, would thanke us. . . . {Further evidence that the Authorized KJV was deliberately intended to be an improved Paraphrase of Earlier Translations.}
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to have the translations of the Bible maturely considered of and examined. For by this meanes it commeth to passe, that whatsoever is sound alreadie (and all is sound for substance, in one or other of our editions, and the worst of ours farre better then their autentike vulgar) the same will shine as gold more brightly, being rubbed and polished; also if any thing be halting, or superfluous, or not so agreeable to the originall, the same may bee corrected, and the trueth set in place. . . .
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Now to the later we answere; that wee doe not deny, nay wee affirme and avow, that the very meanest { poorest ☞} translation of the Bible in English, set foorth by men of our profession (for wee have seene none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) containeth the word of God, nay, is the word of God. . . . { ☜ Disavowing the KJV as the only genuine WORD OF GOD Version.}
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Yet before we end, we must answere a third cavill and objection of theirs against us, for altering and amending our Translations [sic] so oft; wherein truely they deale hardly, and strangely with us.{ The very same thing KJV ONLY people do to MODERN Translations. } For to whom ever was it imputed for a fault (by such as were wise) to goe over that which hee had done, and to amend it where he saw cause? . . .
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But the difference that appeareth betweene our Translations, and our often correcting of them, is the thing that wee are specially charged with; let us see therefore whether they themselves bee without fault this way, (if it be to be counted a fault, to correct) and whether they bee fit men to throw stones at us: But it is high time to leave them, and to shew in briefe what wee proposed to our selves, and what course we held in this our perusall and survay of the Bible. Truly (good Christian Reader) wee never thought from the beginning, that we should neede to make a new Translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one, (for then the imputation of Sixtus had bene true in some sort, that our people had bene fed with gall of Dragons in stead of wine, with whey in stead of milke, but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principall good one, not justly to be excepted against; that hath bene our indeavour, that our marke. . . . { That makes it a PARAPHRASE and not an actual Translation from the original languages. }

http://www.kjvbibles.com/kjpreface.htm

ELECT · Feb 4, 2015

Elijah19 said:

Your first response to this question is going to be, "He was praying to God, obviously, who else?" So I know this sounds like an odd question, but I mean it from a completely different angle than you might have thought.

Consider this for a second here... really...

We as Christians believe (by majority, and myself included) that Jesus is God.

Yet Jesus prayed to God, and even asked God for His will instead of his own in Luke 22:42!

"Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." ---Luke 22:42

So basically, according to this verse, Jesus is praying to his God, and asking for his separate and higher will. Yet Jesus is supposed to be God in my book! If Jesus is God, then why is He praying to God? Is He praying to Himself? And why is he asking God for His separate and higher will, yet not his own, if he is God?

If one thing is made painfully clear from this verse, it is that Jesus believed the person he was talking to to be greater, higher, and wiser than Himself - as well as possessing a separate and higher will altogether. But I believe that Jesus is God, so how can I reconcile my belief with the verse which seems to refute it.

Is Jesus talking to himself? The more I read it the verse, the more my belief in the Trinity seems to look less and less Biblical. Note that I am not trying to refute the belief in the Trinity here, but this is the one verse in the Bible that shakes my faith in it's scriptural authenticity. Either Jesus was talking to Himself and experiencing a split personality, or He was talking to Someone else. What's going on in this verse? Who was He talking to? It's obviously not Himself because the Entity has a separate opinion (according to Jesus), yet it has to be Himself because Jesus is God and there's no one else to pray to.

Now my mind is fried...

[h=1]John 20:17King James Version (KJV)[/h]17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

VCO · Feb 4, 2015

Butch5 said:

A Child CAN understand the Believing in the TRINITY. It is only after they THINK they have grown Wise, do they start denying the Doctrine of the Holy Trinity.

The difference between US and the LORD JESUS CHRIST is our HUMAN SPIRIT was created, and the SPIRIT in HIM is GOD HIMSELF.

2 Corinthians 5:19 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

Mark 10:15 (ASV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall in no wise enter therein.

I already explained all that verse that says "the Father is greater than I" means is the Father is the Shotcaller.

Now try to understand this analogy with the simplicity of understanding of a little child. GOD is like a Tank Crew, they are Coequally the Tank Crew, even though only ONE of them is calling the shots.

Elijah19 · Feb 5, 2015

Do you mean to say, Vigilant Warrior, that although God/Jesus/Holy Spirit are equal to each other as God, that there is a hierarchy to them? In other words, when you say that God is over Jesus, and God and Jesus over the Spirit, how do you still call them equal?

If one person is under/over another, they are automatically not the same person. One does not call the Private a General in the military no more than one calls the General a Private. It is the same thing in every other instance. Why should the Trinity be any different. If God is three persons in one essence, than all three persons must be equal.

VCO · Feb 5, 2015

Elijah19 said:

May I finish the analogy? The General and the Private are BOTH called Members of the Armed Forces, and when they get out of the service they are BOTH CALLED VETERANS. Therefore I repeat, just because One person within the TRIUNE DEITY is calling the shots, does NOT strip the Son and the Holy Spirit of their coequal Deity with the Father.

Elin · Feb 5, 2015

Butch5 said:

That doesn't address explaining a contradiction. The Trinity isn't so hard to understand that a layman cannot understand it. The reason people can't understand it is because they "WON'T" listen to the Scriptures. I've posted several times in this thread the words of Paul and Jesus, 'to us there is one God, the Father' and Jesus praying to the Father, 'that they may know you, the only true God'. And yet, time after time people have come back with God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They say God is three coequal persons and yet Jesus said, "The Father is greater than I". However, rather than accept what Jesus said, many try to make His words fit their preconceived idea that God is three coequal persons and say, oh, He was talking about His humanity. That's nonsense. Jesus didn't say anything in that passage about being lower than the Father only in His humanity. Then they'll turn around and say, well, Jesus limited His Godhood while here on Earth. However, that's not what Scripture says. Scripture says, 'being in the form of God, He emptied Himself. John said that the Word "Became" flesh. He didn't say the Word put on a flesh suit. But, people don't want to believe this because it doesn't fit their preconceptions about God. Personally,
I think a child could understand the Trinity as long as they're not trying to force it into some preconceived idea.

Like a child can understand how God has no beginning?

Still waiting for you to make sense of how that works.

VCO · Feb 5, 2015

VCO said:

John 17:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with that glory I had with You before the world existed.

VCO · Feb 5, 2015

Elin said:

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May I? A child understands with absolute faith in what his or her Father tells them. So if your two year old boy managed to crawl up top of the garage and was standing on the edge of the roof, and you ran over to get below him, and said, "Jump son, Daddy will catch you."; you had better get ready to catch, because your young child totally Trusts what his Daddy tells him.

Genesis 21:33 (NIV)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] Abraham planted a tamarisk tree in Beersheba, and there he called upon the name of the LORD, the Eternal God.

Deuteronomy 33:27 (ESV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] The eternal God is your dwelling place, and underneath are the everlasting arms. And he thrust out the enemy before you and said, ‘Destroy.’

Romans 16:26-27 (NIV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all nations might believe and obey him--
[SUP]27 [/SUP] to the only wise God be glory forever through Jesus Christ! Amen.

John 17:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with that glory I had with You before the world existed.

1 Chronicles 29:10 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Then David praised the LORD in the sight of all the assembly. David said, May You be praised, LORD God of our father Israel, from eternity to eternity.

Psalm 90:2 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Before the mountains were born, before You gave birth to the earth and the world, from eternity to eternity, You are God.

Psalm 90:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Before the mountains were born Or You gave birth to the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God.

Acts 15:18 (NKJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] "Known to God from eternity are all His works.

Romans 4:3 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what does the Scripture say? Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness.

GOD ALWAYS HAS BEEN ETERNAL, we we have to be made to be Eternal, BY THE ONE WHO IS THEE ETERNAL "I AM".

So the question hinges on the point of genuinely BELIEVING what GOD has said, or believing what the so-called religious philosophers of today say.

As for me and my house, WE WILL BELIEVE GOD. That certainly includes:

Genesis 1:1 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

NOTICE, GOD LINKS what HE means by the Beginning to the creation of the Earth, the Atmosphere which is the First Heaven, and the Uninverse or Stars which is the Second Heaven, while JESUS said HE shared the GLORY with the FATHER before the world existed.

So the ONLY QUESTION REMAINING, is "Do you totally BELIEVE GOD or NOT?"

Merriam-Webster Dictionary
[h=2]Definition of ETERNITY[/h]1
: the quality or state of being eternal

2
: infinite time <lasting throughout eternity>

Jason0047 · Feb 5, 2015

ForthAngel said:

Wrong. Three beings implies 3 gods, not One God in three persons.

Different roles and functions. Different facets of the same God completely separate yet unified. Just like my arm is separate from me, but still part of me. Just like I walk on legs that are their own thing separate from my whole, but still part of me. The way I define the distinctions between Father, Son, and Spirit do not undermine the truth of scripture, nor does it oppose the Trinity doctrine in any way. I do not claim God put on a different mask "in each manifestation". I acknowledge the distinctions between the three parts making the whole Godhead. I do not adhere to oneness theology or modalism.

And now you accuse me of blaspheming due to your own lack of understanding and inability to read what I say fully before responding.

Parts, persons, facets, roles, functions. Same difference. All one God in three separate and distinct roles. Modalism teaches that God stepped down from heaven and was the Son and that God is the Spirit and that he just revealed himself in different forms without making the distinction between them being separate yet unified. I don't adhere to this. I see the distinction in scripture and have attested to that as clearly as I possibly can.

^ this is not modalism.

^ This is again an outrageous accusation based entirely on what you are making up in your own head without reading what I'm saying.

Let me be more clear:

I am not a polytheist.
I am not an adherent of oneness theology.
I am not an adherent of modalism.
I know God is one God.
I know there is a Son.
I know there is a Holy Spirit.
I know there is a Father.
I know all three were present at creation.
I know all three of these compose a Triune Godhead.

I have admitted the very thing you deny me saying more than once on this thread. You're so narrow-sighted and stuck on your own agenda that you can't even take the time to read what I say. Get over yourself and stop preaching at me unless you can do so respectfully by reading what I say. I really couldn't care less if you apologize or not. I'm not offended at all, just annoyed at your inability to read and think things through before latching on to your own preconceived notions of someone and running with it.

First, you don't care if I apologize? God cares if we apologize to Him and to admit our faults towards each other. Being truly sorry (Godly sorrow) is one big part of what Christianity is all about. Second, I am not perfect and I am sure you have misunderstood what someone has written or said before. Third, if you believe God is three distinct persons that make up one God, then we are in agreement and I apologize for misunderstanding how you had written your post on Page 2. We can then hug and praise God together.

ForthAngel · Feb 5, 2015

Jason0047 said:

First, you don't care if I apologize? God cares if we apologize to Him and to admit our faults towards each other. Being truly sorry (Godly sorrow) is one big part of what Christianity is all about. Second, if you believe God is three distinct persons that make up one God, then we are in agreement and I apologize for misunderstanding how you had written your post on Page 2. We can then hug and praise God together.

Thank you Jason. I apologize for being harsh in response.

Jason0047 · Feb 5, 2015

ForthAngel said:

It's okay. I apologize for being so intense. I just love God and want to see Him represented correctly. I hope you understand, my brother.

May God bless you this fine day.

Jason0047 · Feb 5, 2015

VCO said:

I use Modern Translations all the time. However, Modern Translations did not correct the KJV. They updated the Old English to Modern English. However, Modern Translations are corrupted in many ways. There are tons of problems with the Modern Translations. The devil's name is placed in them and many important verses have been changed. As for the KJV preface: Doesn't matter what their intention was. They were merely expressing the fact that they were humble in their translation. God used that humble work as an example that His Word has been perfectly preserved today. Do I agree with the fact that the KJV uses words for us today that we can understand? No. Like I said. It uses Old English and not Modern English. But to say that God's Word is only perfect in the Greek is basically saying God's Word has failed to be preserved today in our world language. Greek is a dead language. Yes, many under instense study can understand good portions of what it is saying. But Jesus did not favor the scribes (scholars). Jesus said beware of the scribes. The Scribes are the Scholars today who change God's Word with every new translation. Jesus favored the simple and common man. The poor and the homeless. Tax Collectors who cried out to God to have mercy on them. Fishermen. Humble men. Not men who seek to change the Word of God and who seek to make money off of some new version.

Jason0047 · Feb 5, 2015

In other words, the love of money is the root of all evil. We can just follow the money trail. Who is chasing after riches versus chasing after God? For Jesus said, we will know false prophets by their fruits.

VCO · Feb 6, 2015

Jason0047 said:

Believe what you want, but I would rather BELIEVE what the oldest original language manuscripts actually says and ACTUAL TRANSLATIONS FROM THOSE original language manuscripts, than what the paraphrased KJV put together from older English Bibles and Latin Bibles that were KNOWN to have mis-translations in them.

My favorite modern Bible is the Holman's Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) first published in March of 2004. And just so you know, it was NOT to "make money off of some new version." The HCSB Download to add to the FREE WORDsearch BASIC software, is ALSO STILL FREE:

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1 John 5:7 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For there are three that testify: [1] Other mss (Vg and a few late Gk mass) read "testify in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are One. 8 And there are three who bear witness on earth:"
1 John 5:8 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and these three are in agreement.

As I pointed out earlier Young's Literal Translation also pointed out that the older Greek manuscripts DO NOT HAVE THOSE WORDS IN ITALICS IN THOSE VERSES AT ALL. So it becomes apparent that someone added those words before they started to work on the 1611 KJV, and since the KJV Translators were not actually translating, they flat missed it. My guess is that it was added by the Vatican.

1 John 5:7-8 (YLT)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] because three are who are testifying in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these--the three--are one;
[SUP]8 [/SUP] and three are who are testifying in the earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood, and the three are into the one.

Here are TWO of the Catholic Bibles for comparison. The add-on error, may go back to the 384 A.D., Latin Vulgate, because the modern Latin/English Vulgate still has that same add-on error in Translation:

1 John 5:7-8 (Latin/English Vulgate)
{5:7} Quoniam Tres sunt, qui testimonium dant in cælo: Pater, Verbum, et Spiritus Sanctus: et hi Tres Unum sunt.
{5:7} For there are Three who give testimony in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. And these Three are One.
{5:8} Et tres sunt, qui testimonium dant in terra: Spiritus, et aqua, et sanguis: et hi tres unum sunt.
{5:8} And there are three who give testimony on earth: the Spirit, and the water, and the blood. And these three are one.

1 John 5:7-8 (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible)
[7] And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.
[8] And there are three that give testimony on earth: the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three are one.

The Douay–Rheims Catholic Bible New Testament in English was first published in 1582. The Catholics also picked up on the fact that the OLDER Greek manuscripts did not contain those words we find in italics in the YLT. THEREFORE, they also corrected that error in translation when they published the New American Bible and the New Jerusalem Bible.

1 John 5:7-8 (New American Bible)
7. So there are three that testify,
8. the Spirit, the water, and the blood, and the three are of one accord.

Enga · Feb 9, 2015

It is Good the ask such question so that many will know. There are 3 set of work doen by 3 diferent names based on the promis.

the 3 Set of work based on promis are as followes;

1. God Create heave and the earth and we all see his creation
2.God promis in Genesis 3:15 to send his son so His son came down and did his work and died on the cross
2.Jesus promis to asked the father to send His Holy Spirit (John 14:16)
3. The work of the Holy Spirit is Unknown

Jesus prayed to the father to indicate that there are 3 name and they have 3 seperate work. Therefore, He prayed to the father for help.
Jesus asked the father but Jesus also advices his desciples to pray to him and his father will give any thing in his name.

The Woek of the Holy Spirit is Unknow based on the following bible text.

These are the condition to enter the Kingdom of God:

Condition Number 1=Believe: John 3:16 [SUP]16 [/SUP]Yes, God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him would not be lost but have eternal life

Condition Number 2=Water baptise- John 3:5-8 [SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “Believe me when I say that everyone must be born from water and the Spirit. Anyone who is not born from water and the Spirit cannot enter God’s kingdom.

Condition Number 3: Spirit Baptise- John 3:5-8 [SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered “Believe me when I say that everyone must be born from water and the Spirit. Anyone who is not born from water and the Spirit cannot enter God’s kingdom.

John 5:3,

The above 3 are the conditions are the condition to enter the Kingdom of God.

The 4[SUP]th[/SUP] Condition is John 6:53 [SUP]53 [/SUP]Jesus said, “Believe me when I say that you must eat the body of the Son of Man, and you must drink his blood. If you don’t do this, you have no real life.

The 4[SUP]th[/SUP] condition can be done after the going through the 3 condition above.

However, most importantly the above 3 condition are important that it should be done.
But the 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] condition about the baptism of Holy Spirit was not done and the world is currently not doing it. John 14:16-17, [SUP]16 [/SUP]I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper[SUP][[/SUP][SUP]a[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP] to be with you forever. [SUP]17 [/SUP]The Helper is the Spirit of truth.[SUP][b][/SUP] The people of the world cannot accept him, because they don’t see him or know him. But you know him. He lives with you, and he will be in you.

Jesus told the disciples that the world cannot accept him because they do not know him.

Evidence of what Jesus told his disciple.

Acts 8:15-17[SUP]15 [/SUP]When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit, [SUP]16 [/SUP]because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
Acts 8:[SUP]15 [/SUP]When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit,
Acts 8: [SUP]17 [/SUP]Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
Acts 19:1-4, While Apostles was at Corinth; Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples [SUP]2 [/SUP]and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”

They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”
[SUP]3 [/SUP]So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?”
“John’s baptism,” they replied.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” [SUP]5 [/SUP]On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Acts 19:6-7 [SUP]6 [/SUP]When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied. [SUP]7 [/SUP]There were about twelve men in all.

Act 11:15 “As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

We (all Christians) have not baptised in Holy Spirit to enter the kingdom of God. We will baptise through the last and final work of God trinity which is the Holy Spirit.

God the Father is the creator-he create heaven and earth and we physically saw it
God the son die not the cross and the world know it but
The last work of the God the Holy Spirit is still unknown and is yet to be known.
If they are one God having 3 names then all their will be witness by everyone Earth before the End.
Pray that you will see the Last work of God the Holy Spirit and baptised in Holy Spirit to enter the Kingdom of God.

MyLighthouse · Feb 9, 2015

He was speaking to God, the Father of All. Jesus is the Son of Man spoke of in Daniel, the Messiah God sent for His people. Because He fulfilled the covenant with God He has received equality with Him and has all power and people of all nation can serve and worship Him.

I do not believe in a Trinity or Oneness because it is not biblical (no offense to those who do, I understand the reasons for them). I can give you verses and such if you want to understand this more

One thing is for sure, God is not the author of confusion.

VCO · Feb 11, 2015

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My understanding of the three distinct functions of our TRIUNE GOD is this:

1. The primary function of the FATHER is to WILL what HE wants done.

2. The primary function of the SON is to DO THE WILL OF THE FATHER.

3. The primary function of the Holy Spirit is to EMPOWER US TO DO THE WILL OF THE FATHER,
starting with BELIEVING the moment HE births our Human Spirit to be Eternally Alive.

John 3:6-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.
Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

John 14:26 (YLT)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] and the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He will teach you all things, and remind you of all things that I said to you.

Hebrews 2:4 (ESV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] while God also bore witness by signs and wonders and various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to His will.

Romans 12:6-11 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] We have different gifts, according to the grace given us. If a man's gift is prophesying, let him use it in proportion to his faith.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] If it is serving, let him serve; if it is teaching, let him teach;
[SUP]8 [/SUP] if it is encouraging, let him encourage; if it is contributing to the needs of others, let him give generously; if it is leadership, let him govern diligently; if it is showing mercy, let him do it cheerfully.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:11 (ESV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as He wills.

1 Peter 1:2 (NIV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 (NIV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because from the beginning God chose you to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.

Isn't it GOOD to KNOW that the Work of the Holy Spirit is not unknown.

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