Who was Jesus Praying to in the Bible?

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VCO

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michael56 said:
Perhaps you did not read my comment carefully. It states a person must believe Christ to be the Son of God to be saved. Are you querying that?
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The way you worded it, sounded like you were thinking He was the offspring of GOD.

Besides "BELIEVE" in the Jewish way of thinking means MUCH MORE THAN JUST acknowledging a fact.

It carries with it a complete TRUST and Commitment to acting on what you claim to BELIEVE; and anything less is NOT Believing.

If it was only acknowledging WHO Jesus is, then the 2000 Demons He confronted in the two demoniacs at Gadera would also be Saved:

Mark 5:7 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And he cried out with a loud voice, “What do You have to do with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You before God, don’t torment me!”

I do not believe there is SALVATION apart from genuinely mourning one's utter sinfulness and repentance; and WILLINGLY receiving Jesus as LORD, which is complete submission to HIM as MASTER. Anything less is what the Demons in the verse above did.
 
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the council of nicea (which was decided upon by constantne a pagen roman emperor) the father son and holy ghost are the same. so...he was praying to well...himself
 
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seriouslyman said:
the council of nicea (which was decided upon by constantne a pagen roman emperor) the father son and holy ghost are the same. so...he was praying to well...himself
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So why do so many people ignore the fact that JESUS was BOTH genuinely human as well as GOD in that flesh. That flesh was just like ours, with weakness, stress, burdens, etc. In fact the only difference between Jesus Christ and the rest of us human beings, is:

Our human spirits were Created by GOD - Zech. 12:1.

While the Spirit in JESUS is GOD the CREATOR.

HE taught us to all to pray according to the will of GOD, which is to boldly go directly to the FATHER, as this verse that is a model for all prayer, clearly indicates.

Matthew 6:9 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] “Therefore, you should pray like this: Our Father in heaven, Your name be honored as holy.

SO the ONLY logical way for the part of JESUS that is purely HUMAN to pray, is obviously to go directly to the FATHER, or He would be disobedient to HIS own instructions.

WHILE the Spiritual part of JESUS clearly IS:

2 Corinthians 5:19 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

John 17:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with that glory I had with You before the world existed.
 
williamjordan

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michael56 said:
Possibly that is why God simply-in childlike faith wants you to accept His son as just that-His son. And if you do:

If anyone believes Jesus is the son of God, God lives in him and he in God 1John 4:15

Why concentrate on things that makes your brain fried?
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I had intended on responding to this, but VCO actually raised some of the very points I had intended to raise,

The way you worded it, sounded like you were thinking He was the offspring of GOD.

Besides "BELIEVE" in the Jewish way of thinking means MUCH MORE THAN JUST acknowledging a fact.

It carries with it a complete TRUST and Commitment to acting on what you claim to BELIEVE; and anything less is NOT Believing.

If it was only acknowledging WHO Jesus is, then the 2000 Demons He confronted in the two demoniacs at Gadera would also be Saved:

Mark 5:7 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And he cried out with a loud voice, “What do You have to do with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You before God, don’t torment me!”

I do not believe there is SALVATION apart from genuinely mourning one's utter sinfulness and repentance; and WILLINGLY receiving Jesus as LORD, which is complete submission to HIM as MASTER. Anything less is what the Demons in the verse above did.
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But in addition to what has been said here, I would suggest that if all one needs to do is believe that Jesus is, in some round-a-bout sense, the "Son of God" with disregard of the remainder of things the NT has to say about Him then the authors of the NT wasted their time combating many myths/untruths about Christ. What would have been the point for Paul, or any other to write entire letters which entail so much detail about the person and being of Jesus Christ, if all that one needs to believe is that He is the "Son of God"? One must believe that Jesus is the Son of God to the extent that the Apostles also believed and whom they discuss in so much detail throughout the NT, or else your view of Jesus as the "Son of God" is distorted.

The author of 2 Peter makes it a point to address his audience (fellow believers, notice the distinction between the groups of people "we"/"us" vs. "they"/"them") with a simple declaration of Jesus as divine,

"To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ"
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